Hawkeye vs. Crossbones

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
But why? what has halk eye done in h2h?

He got distracted, though not to say capt would not beat him in h2h or beat him either way.

Bones just hasn't impressed me of lately is all. Plus is not like Cap(Bucky) has defeated/stalemated big names either(not to my knowledge) and he defeated Bones handily.

Plus Hawkeye just impressed the heck out of me against Steve lately. Yeah I know he had his weapons but so did Steve at the time. Don't get me wrong though Steve would take the majority over Clint.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Not straight down the blast is going to the left in the direction that Cap doged. Since he was up straight he wouldn't have been able to see the image that well of the face anyways. Blasts Cap as Cap moves out of the way and then Cap takes the advantage.

So your saying if Cap didn't move he would have been safe......LOL.

I don't think so.

yes the intial shot would have completelyh missed him, perhaps some spash damage but nothing remotely life threatening. Look at were capt head is in relation to red skulls in the intial pictures, then look at the next scan. Red skull aim is completely to the opposite side of were capt head was. Capt would not have been safe for long, but yes the initial attack was not aimed at him, and the text clearly suggests this.

I do think so.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Bones just hasn't impressed me of lately is all. Plus is not like Cap(Bucky) has defeated/stalemated big names either(not to my knowledge) and he defeated Bones handily.

Plus Hawkeye just impressed the heck out of me against Steve lately. Yeah I know he had his weapons but so did Steve at the time. Don't get me wrong though Steve would take the majority over Clint.

what has hawlk eye done of late in h2h? Again nor has hawlk eye. Bucky been stated and suggested as having similar skills and training to captain america. He had his skills praised a number of time, more so then hawlk eye ever has in terms of h2h and martial arts. He also has shown to be superior to falcon, black widow ect in h2h. He had guys like capt and wolverien compared his skills to theres and praise him.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
That makes zero sense, he was right behind capt with two arms on him, kneeling. Why then stand? it illogical. He stoodup to hit the image which was his reflection, which was to the left of capt own head, were he aimed. If his intended target was capt he have no need to get up. He could simply of blasted straight a head and to the right, but instead it stood up and shot to the left were his image was. His hands are even way up in the air, not of some one who grasp was just broken in a kneeling position which is what your suggesting. Also why on earth would he be aiming for the water, if capt was he target? or would being saying, better then "him". He clearly shot the image and was going to attack capt next, but capt used the opening to end it.

yes the intial shot would have completelyh missed him, perhaps some spash damage but nothing remotely life threatening. Look at were capt head is in relation to red skulls in the intial pictures, then look at the next scan. Red skull aim is completely to the opposite side of were capt head was. Capt would not have been safe for long, but yes the initial attack was not aimed at him, and the text clearly suggests this.

I do think so.

Yes and as I said the blast would have been straight down not in the direction that Cap dodged. Why did he got up? To create some distance for safety. Look at him as you said he's holding Cap. He doesn't want to blast his own hands and figures a little distance would do him no wrong. Either way he blasts doesn't fire straight down at the image but even in the direction that Cap dodges and it still wasn't fast enough.

This I think so. 🙂

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
what has hawlk eye done of late in h2h? Again nor has hawlk eye. Bucky been stated and suggested as having similar skills and training to captain america. He had his skills praised a number of time, more so then hawlk eye ever has in terms of h2h and martial arts. He also has shown to be superior to falcon, black widow ect in h2h. He had guys like capt and wolverien compared his skills to theres and praise him.

Falcon was just a sparring contest as Falcon was more concerned for his robotic arm(he said so himself.) What you don't think Hawkeye has been praised before. Read his latest encounter with Steve. As of late in h2h? Not sure but Bones just hasn't impressed me with Buck. It was too easy for him....not once but twice.

Heck thats why I give the edge to Bones even if its minimal.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Yes and as I said the blast would have been straight down not in the direction that Cap dodged. Why did he got up. To create some distance for safety? Look at him as you said he's holding Cap. He doesn't want to blast his own hands and figures a little distance would do him no wrong.

Why would Bones have kneeled and grap capt the way he did, if his intent was then to stand back and blast him? It makes zero senses and sounds like wishful thinking. What makes more senses, that red skull entire intent form the get go was to random grap capts face and hair, only to then fore seconds later stand up and blast him? Or that red skull intended to finish him, but got distracted by his own image and capt comments which we see in the pictures and text.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
way he blasts doesn't fire straight down at the image but even in the direction that Cap dodges and it still wasn't fast enough.

This I think so. 🙂

Except your missing the context that the image was to the left of capt head which is were he aimed his face and why he stood up to get clear shot. Not sure how that can not be seen that bones cis allowed for an opening capt took. Not saying he did not intend to shoot capt after, or was even moving the blast over to finish him, what I am argueing is the initial blast was aimed as his own image which seems pretty clear from the text.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Falcon was just a sparring contest as Falcon was more concerned for his robotic arm(he said so himself.)

Originally posted by Daredevil1
you don't think Hawkeye has been praised before. Read his latest encounter with Steve. As of late in h2h?

Originally posted by Daredevil1
sure but Bones just hasn't impressed me with Buck. It was too easy for him....not once but twice.

yes and? What has hawlk eye done in h2h? nothing. There no reason to assume he would do as good or even as close against Bucky either. So point seems rather shallow one. Why does these two incidents take presidencies over his other showings?

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Heck thats why I give the edge to Bones even if its minimal.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Why would Bones have kneeled and grap capt the way he did, if his intent was then to stand back and blast him? It makes zero senses and sounds like wishful thinking. What makes more senses, that red skull entire intent form the get go was to random grap capts face and hair, only to then fore seconds later stand up and blast him? Or that red skull intended to finish him, but got distracted by his own image and capt comments which we see in the pictures and text.

Except your missing the context that the image was to the left of capt head which is were he aimed his face and why he stood up to get clear shot. Not sure how that can not be seen that bones cis allowed for an opening capt took. Not saying he did not intend to shoot capt after, or was even moving the blast over to finish him, what I am argueing is the initial blast was aimed as his own image which seems pretty clear from the text.

Why would bones grab him first anyways and not just be smart and try to blast him? Notice I said try because knowing Cap he still would have dodged. Actually no it doesn't make it clear since the blast isn't aimed at the image.
It makes perfect sense since he was holding Cap he didn't want to blast his own hands off.

Next. 🙂

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
which bucky schooled him, and pointed out that was a flaw in his own fighting skills.

Never doubted he been praised, but he simply not been praised as by as many times or as many establish MA masters for his MA and h2h skills as bucky

yes and? What has hawlk eye done in h2h? nothing. There no reason to assume he would do as good or even as close against Bucky either. So point seems rather shallow one. Why does these two incidents take presidencies over his other showings?

Why should it be minimal, when his h2h and MA feats are simply better then Hawlk eyes?

Yeah so better he lost twice to Buck. Ouch that stings.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Yeah so better he lost twice to Buck. Ouch that stings.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
yes and? why does losing to Bucky, have an barings on how he fair against halk eye?

Because Buck isn't a proven A-list fighter. Not to my knowledge anyways. Plus Hawkeye in his Ronin outfit using combat weapons and fighting a lot H2H looked pretty darn good. In fact he even received complements for it. As he stated he was trained by the best? Guess who? Cap( and not the bucky one)

But I still give Bones the edge in h2h.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Why would bones grab him first anyways and not just be smart and try to blast him? Notice I said try because knowing Cap he still would have dodged. Actually no it doesn't make it clear since the blast isn't aimed at the image.
It makes perfect sense since he was holding Cap he didn't want to blast his own hands off.

Next. 🙂

Except it is aimed at the image, which was left of capt americas head, which he move to get a clear shot, which seem pretty obvious.

So let me get this straight. Your arguement is that Bones kneeled on the ground right behind capt, grabbed his hair and face, only to then stand up and seperate to create space for safty reasons.😕 are you kidding me? 🙄

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Becuase the entire point of the fight was, so he could finish capt for good and for certain. What more certain then directly up close? Again seems like wishful thinking on your part.

Except it is aimed at the image, which was left of capt americas head, which he move to get a clear shot, which seem pretty obvious.

So let me get this straight. Your arguement is that Bones kneeled on the ground right behind capt, grabbed his hair and face, only to then stand up and seperate to create space for safty reasons.😕 are you kidding me? 🙄

Again seems wishful thinking on your part. Because being close to Cap is a bad thing turn around and reverses etc etc. Oh yeah and what part of not blowing apart himself did you not get.

Maybe your a maniac to hold Steve in place with your hands and then blast him away and your own parts. But with your reasoning it wouldn't surprise me.

Not one bit.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Because Buck isn't a proven A-list fighter.

Yes and? Hawlk eye not even a proven c level fighter.........

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Hawkeye in his Ronin outfit using combat weapons and fighting a lot H2H looked pretty darn good.

You mean ronin outfit, in which he almost never fought h2h, only used mostly swords, and some nun-chucks........hell he did not asside from the nun-chucks display almost nothing out side what he been able to do since his time in the circus. If your basing your opinion off the fact he dressed like a ninja and fought with swords equals being a match for 2nd tier combatants, your sadly mistaken I am afraid.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
In fact he even received complements for it. As he stated he was trained by the best? Guess who? Cap( and not the bucky one)

You do realize Bukcy recieved training from people who trained capt as well as extensively by captain america himself. Hawlk eye training by capt is not even remotely comparable to what Bukcy recieved.

And before you say. Then why didn't just bones remove his hands when holding him. Because once he removed his hands Steve could have done something there as well. Its called martial arts all sorts of neat counters and tricks.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Yes and? Hawlk eye not even a proven c level fighter.........

You mean ronin outfit, in which he almost never fought h2h, only used mostly swords, and some nun-chucks........hell he did not asside from the nun-chucks display almost nothing out side what he been able to do since his time in the circus. If your basing your opinion off the fact he dressed like a ninja and fought with swords equals being a match for 2nd tier combatants, your sadly mistaken I am afraid.

Yea he recieved some training from capt, as has spiderman, jones ect. That far from makes them capable of hanging with bones in skill.

You do realize Bukcy recieved training from people who trained capt as well as extensively by captain america himself. Hawlk eye training by capt is not even remotely comparable to what Bukcy recieved.

Wait wait so Hawkeye cant receive praises but Buck can? Hawkeye can't use swords or nun-chucks but Buck can use a cyborg hands/guns/knives/sniper weapons...LOL. Double standard much huh.

And again that's why I give it to Bones over Hawkeye.

Sorry but that thrashing he got from Buck twice just left me a bitter taste.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Again seems wishful thinking on your part. Because being close to Cap is a bad thing turn around and reverses etc etc. Oh yeah and what part of not blowing apart himself did you not get.

What part of, why did he then grab him and put himself in such a situation, did you not get?

your argument is full of wishful thinking, can't even believe you cant see it. Your entire argument stems from this notion that bones created space in order to not harm himself. which was not remotely hinted at or stated. what was hinted at however was that Bones clearly had an issue with red skull who he happen to delusionalyl associate himself as being, based of a reflection. Which then clearly bothered him. Sorry, but only ones of us is making up pretend context, to support there claim and it not me 🙄

Originally posted by Daredevil1
your a maniac to hold Steve in place with your hands and then blast him away and your own parts. But with your reasoning it wouldn't surprise me.

Why do you assume, he would shoot his own hands? Just because your holding some one, does not mean thats were you have to firer. Nothing maniac about it, your using distorted rational, to support your claims. The fact you assume the only way he can blast Capt is by shoot his self, which just belays your bias.

not to mention, third to last pannel

Shows red skull grabbing capt head with his face aimed downward at capt neck as if to decapitate him, but then notices his reflection as shown right in the scan

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
What part of, why did he then grab him and put himself in such a situation, did you not get?

your argument is full of wishful thinking, can't even believe you cant see it. Your entire argument stems from this notion that bones created space in order to not harm himself. which was not remotely hinted at or stated. what was hinted at however was that Bones clearly had an issue with red skull who he happen to delusionalyl associate himself as being, based of a reflection. Which then clearly bothered him. Sorry, but only ones of us is making up pretend context, to support there claim and it not me 🙄

Why do you assume, he would shoot his own hands? Just because your holding some one, does not mean thats were you have to firer. Nothing maniac about it, your using distorted rational, to support your claims. The fact you assume the only way he can blast Capt is by shoot his self, which just belays your bias.

not to mention, third to last pannel

Shows red skull grabbing capt head with his face aimed downward at capt neck as if to decapitate him, but then notices his reflection as shown right in the scan

Right but it was stated he was shooting his image right? Where is it?
So it was stated he got up to shoot his image? Where is it?

Wishful thinking indeed. Right so he can hold his face and not shoot himself? Now who's making up all this stuff to suit there scenario.

You know what it doesn't matter anyways even if there was no image it's not like you can prove he would have been able to shoot Cap anyways there. Since he couldn't and missed anyways...LOL

SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO you got nothing. And I got he owned Bones. 🙂 Doesn't even matter.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Wait wait so Hawkeye cant receive praises but Buck can?

When did I say this?

Said receiving training from capt and were a ninja costume does not translate into being match for bones in h2h.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Hawkeye can't use swords or nun-chucks but Buck can use a cyborg hands/guns/knives/sniper weapons...LOL. Double standard much huh.

It h2h fight between bones and hawlk-eye, what relevence does weapons have?

also why are you goping on a spew about bucky weapons, which I never brought up at all, nor has relevance to h2h fight between hawlk eye and bones.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
again that's why I give it to Bones over Hawkeye.

Sorry but that thrashing he got from Buck twice just left me a bitter taste.

np, but still dont see the relevance. Bucky is much better fighter the hawlk eye.