Originally posted by Parmaniaci know what you were saying and i responded with my comment of logan having some decent TK resistance and feats. 😉
TK not TP I was reffering to Grodd, I haven't read much about Grodd but read up and a few times actually seen TK feats. Once he was levitating and had some kind of "concussive aura" around him.
Originally posted by Kontonhere you go
No sold Emma? Are we taking one incident into account here, or maybe Emma's long standing history of being able to do whatever she wants with Logan whenever she feels like it. She's outright stated that his "level 9" (already with arbitrarily never explained power rankings) psi blockers were inferior to her "level 10" telepathy. No idea what cosmic instance you're talking about, I'll look into it or whatever.Getting back on topic, Grodd was ****ing with Swamp Thing and the like.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
And here are the scans![b]Emeror None vs. Spider-Man and Luke Cage
Wolverine saves the day! "level 9 psi-shielding", sounds impressive.
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Originally posted by Konton
No sold Emma? Are we taking one incident into account here, or maybe Emma's long standing history of being able to do whatever she wants with Logan whenever she feels like it. She's outright stated that his "level 9" (already with arbitrarily never explained power rankings) psi blockers were inferior to her "level 10" telepathy. No idea what cosmic instance you're talking about, I'll look into it or whatever.Getting back on topic, Grodd was ****ing with Swamp Thing and the like.
BH is referring to Original Sin one-shot. She can take care of psi blockers, true. IF she goes all out, that is. Psychic scar tissue is the whole different story.
Always wanking female characters, eh?
Originally posted by Konton
No sold Emma?Are we taking one incident into account here, or maybe Emma's long standing history of being able to do whatever she wants with Logan whenever she feels like it.
also only time emma showed the ability to make wolverine do what ever she wanted was during astonishing x-men, were author even stated he had no idea how to write wolverine and he doesent.
Also admitt that prior to his character development, though he showed tp resistences it was at much lower level then after. He has asside from wheldon run has shown rather good tp resistance from people like cassandra nova. I mean I can start posting tp resistant feats if needed.
Originally posted by Konton
outright stated that his "level 9" (already with arbitrarily never explained power rankings) psi blockers were inferior to her "level 10" telepathy. No idea what cosmic instance you're talking about, I'll look into it or whatever.
Originally posted by Konton
No sold Emma?
Are we taking one incident into account here, or maybe Emma's long standing history of being able to do whatever she wants with Logan whenever she feels like it.[/B][/QUOTE]
I was stating what he had done, and I notice you say nothing about casandranova. I no trying to make this into Wolverine vs Emma, Emma gots him all day with telepathy. But he did show the ability to resist her during wolverine origins. But I do believe he can wistand many powerful telepaths and even prevent them from doing certain things to him, but they can without a doubt destroy his mind if they want to.
also only time emma showed the ability to make wolverine do what ever she wanted was during astonishing x-men, were author even stated he had no idea how to write wolverine and he doesent.
Also admitt that prior to his character development, though he showed tp resistences it was at much lower level then after. He has asside from wheldon run has shown rather good tp resistance from people like cassandra nova. I mean I can start posting tp resistant feats if needed.
Originally posted by Konton
back on topic, Grodd was ****ing with Swamp Thing and the like.
So... this random guy in a suit, with no previously established power levels, unleashes a vaguely described multi-directional pulse that didn't stun Wolverine- a character who wasn't even around or paid any attention to until he snuck up on whatsisface- and happened to drop "level 9" psi-shields comment in passing. uh, ok
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
when?
Swamp Thing Vol. 2 Annual #3 (1987)
I'll address the bulk of the other stuff in one go. I'm far from saying Wolverine isn't largely competent against telepathy. He's just not shutting out actively powerful telepaths of genius intellect like Grodd.
Originally posted by KontonSwamp Thing Vol. 2 Annual #3 (1987)
I'll address the bulk of the other stuff in one go. I'm far from saying Wolverine isn't largely competent against telepathy. He's just not shutting out actively powerful telepaths of genius intellect like Grodd.
Fair enough, I have to see some feats from Grodd telepathy. I not certain either way how the fight would go, you very well could be right.
you know the whole thing with grodd is ppl like to pull feats from pre crisis rather then use current retcon character and his new established power levels..
even then ppl argue the retcons only effect popular characters and the universe itself but not moderate or low end characters an their feats.
honestly i havent seen anything special about current grodd..
Originally posted by Konton
Grodd's tp is easily up there with Emma and Charles.Wolverine's TP blocker hype won't cut it here.
Grodd wins 10/10 in the second scenario.
Strictly h2h, I'm not sure. Probably Wolverine, but Grodd can get wins.
How is Grodd in Emma's league? And a prep style battle, Grodd takes this of course.
the OP didnt give prep. 😬
with prep i am sure grodd can subdue Logan with his TP amplifying tech and whatnot..
without it current Grodd doesnt have the TP feats to get past logan's defenses like TP blockers or even his emotional Rage barriers during battle...
the best gorilla grodd would do is psi bolt Logan and hope that stuns him long enough to take advantage of if logan doesnt shrug it off like he did emma's
The problem with assuming Logan can stop Grodd's TP is that Logan has no active psionic abilities (this applies to characters with the same limitation).
I mean even if he has TP blockers, they are passive, as in they're not an active defense. So Grodd can essentially build up the psionic energy needed to bypass a stagnant defense.
Scenario 1 Wolverine would take it. It's a battle of attrition and Logan's obviously better equipped for a drawn out battle.
Logan in mid battle has tanked Psi bolts for years not just emma's most recent psi bolt.
he has even resisted betsy's psi blades meant to disrupt his mental process more then once.
he has also bn able through sheer act of will to fight through psi grips and psi bolts from Psi - Borg.
i havent seen current grodd display the psi energy lvl to bypass logan and knock him out.
i mean classic grodd back in the day from the 60's and 80's whatever year the ape came out fighting barry when disbelief was the norm, grodd had the power to screw over logan now current version of him not so much.
