Originally posted by King Castle
Logan in mid battle has tanked Psi bolts for years not just emma's most recent psi bolt.he has even resisted betsy's psi blades meant to disrupt his mental process more then once.
he has also bn able through sheer act of will to fight through psi grips and psi bolts from Psi - Borg.
i havent seen current grodd display the psi energy lvl to bypass logan and knock him out.
i mean classic grodd back in the day from the 60's and 80's whatever year the ape came out fighting barry when disbelief was the norm, grodd had the power to screw over logan now current version of him not so much.
Emma didn't psibolt him she telepathically tried to stop him in original sin and he didn't. She wasn't even trying to go all out. He attacked Scott to both of their surprise plus they both just got back from ripping Charles a new one. Emma got him in x4, hom and early on in wolverine origins. That's not including Astonishing X-men and
Emmas first appearance. The Uraniun got Logan recently too in the x- men atlas crossover.
Sorry about the capitals I'm using an touch.
Originally posted by ExodusCloakyou are current my bad on the psi bolt and it being a telepathic command.
Emma didn't psibolt him she telepathically tried to stop him in original sin and he didn't. She wasn't even trying to go all out. He attacked Scott to both of their surprise plus they both just got back from ripping Charles a new one. Emma got him in x4, hom and early on in wolverine origins. That's not including Astonishing X-men and
Emmas first appearance. The Uraniun got Logan recently too in the x- men atlas crossover.
Sorry about the capitals I'm using an touch.
anyways.... moving on...
Logan has also resisted Shiva's event trigger a basically a psi bolt but Wolverine not just a tanked it, it enraged him and still kept fighting.
also the time viper tried to control logan had him encased in a TK and she was having a hard time trying to mind control him his will power alone was keeping her at bay long before he had lvl 9 shielding.
and his TP resistance goes waaaaay back when he 1st joined the X-men.. a lot of the writers who have started writing logan have eitehr forgotten his abilities or dont know the character which they are writing about.
b/c a lot of the newer stories ignore or dont emphasize logan's willpower anymore and brainwashing resistance and telepathic immunity as much as they used to.
Originally posted by Allanklesyou mean mental implants like the one's given to the Weapon X team by Aldo ferro to prevent not just them but others from accessing not just their memories but portions of their minds?
They're not emphasizing those things because in truth, without some kind of psionic abilities a character shouldn't be able to stop TP, unless they have some kind of implant that passively blocks TP or a device like Magneto's helmet.
the same mental implants that took Xavier years to study map and only manage to lower a few of them?
or the MA training Logan received to prevent himself from broadcasting his thought and to keep ppl like jean and Psylocke from scanning or registering his mind?
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maybe his willpower isnt enough but combined with everything mention it sure increases the odds especially with his animal Rage which creates an intense emotional wall combining it with the level 9 and mental scarring a none high end TP user would be hard pressed to mind f#$ @ him.
Originally posted by Allanklesmagneto's helmet is a very recent explanationtoo. he was simply good against TP, like Superman is without any explanation for that matter.
They're not emphasizing those things because in truth, without some kind of psionic abilities a character shouldn't be able to stop TP, unless they have some kind of implant that passively blocks TP or a device like Magneto's helmet.
Originally posted by Allankles
They're not emphasizing those things because in truth, without some kind of psionic abilities a character shouldn't be able to stop TP, unless they have some kind of implant that passively blocks TP or a device like Magneto's helmet.
Well I was re-reading my issues of everything X-Men so far I'm up to the Champions era. The X-Men 2.0 (Including Phoenix) were taken out by Kali's mental powers (Marvel Team-Up Annual (1976). He resisted Oracles mental powers in Uncanny X-Men #107 (But then Phoenix was there and Oracle really didn't do anything to any of the X-Men in that fight) but is taken down by Emma Frost in X-Men #129.
He does have natural resistance though. Xavier and Phoenix taught the X-Men V2.0 to fight of telepathic attack. He has brain damage (scarred tissue) and he has been brainwashed over and over. At the moment, I believe the current take by the writers is that a high enough Telepathic user can take him down. Reiterated by the conversation he had with Emma Frost about Level 9/Level 10 blockers/telepathic users.
Originally posted by King Castle
you mean mental implants like the one's given to the Weapon X team by Aldo ferro to prevent not just them but others from accessing not just their memories but portions of their minds?the same mental implants that took Xavier years to study map and only manage to lower a few of them?
or the MA training Logan received to prevent himself from broadcasting his thought and to keep ppl like jean and Psylocke from scanning or registering his mind?
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maybe the his willpower isnt enough but combined with everything mention is sure increases the odds especially with his animal Rage will creates an intense emotional wall combing it with the level 9 and mental scarring a none high end TP user would be hard pressed to mind f#$ @ him.
I think they should stick with his implants, anything else just doesn't make sense. TP is TP. Will power, martial arts, discipline shouldn't come into it.
Originally posted by 753
magneto's helmet is a very recent explanationtoo. he was simply good against TP, like Superman is without any explanation for that matter.
Magneto was telepathic in his original incarnation and these powers even resurfaced during Byrnes Hidden Years and Secret Wars. Some writers said he mind controlled people via their blood others believed he actually had telepathy which he did portray in the first few issues of Uncanny. He was cited as the second most powerful mind after Charles initially.
Originally posted by Allankles
They're not emphasizing those things because in truth, without some kind of psionic abilities a character shouldn't be able to stop TP, unless they have some kind of implant that passively blocks TP or a device like Magneto's helmet.
Yep, plus Grodd has more than TP. His TK is powerful to boot.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Well I was re-reading my issues of everything X-Men so far I'm up to the Champions era. The X-Men 2.0 (Including Phoenix) were taken out by Kali's mental powers (Marvel Team-Up Annual (1976). He resisted Oracles mental powers in Uncanny X-Men #107 (But then Phoenix was there and Oracle really didn't do anything to any of the X-Men in that fight) but is taken down by Emma Frost in X-Men #129.He does have natural resistance though. Xavier and Phoenix taught the X-Men V2.0 to fight of telepathic attack. He has brain damage (scarred tissue) and he has been brainwashed over and over. At the moment, I believe the current take by the writers is that a high enough Telepathic user can take him down. Reiterated by the conversation he had with Emma Frost about Level 9/Level 10 blockers/telepathic users.
Also the X-Men V2.0 got mindwiped by the mutant Santa Claus in Marvel Holiday Special (1991).
Also a Sentinel that looked like Jean Grey hurt him with Psi-bolts. Though he went all animal instinct (Just smell etc) and gutted it. Uncanny X-Men #100.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Well I was re-reading my issues of everything X-Men so far I'm up to the Champions era. The X-Men 2.0 (Including Phoenix) were taken out by Kali's mental powers (Marvel Team-Up Annual (1976). He resisted Oracles mental powers in Uncanny X-Men #107 (But then Phoenix was there and Oracle really didn't do anything to any of the X-Men in that fight) but is taken down by Emma Frost in X-Men #129.He does have natural resistance though. Xavier and Phoenix taught the X-Men V2.0 to fight of telepathic attack. He has brain damage (scarred tissue) and he has been brainwashed over and over. At the moment, I believe the current take by the writers is that a high enough Telepathic user can take him down. Reiterated by the conversation he had with Emma Frost about Level 9/Level 10 blockers/telepathic users.
Personally I don't see how there's any training you can do stop someone from forcefully taking over your mind, unless you have some psionic abilities which can be redirected to serve as a telepathic defense with training.
Anything outside of implants or devices (technological or magical) for non psionics like Wolverine doesn't add up. In the case of Magento even if he isn't a telepath he does have psionic abilities, so with training he can develop a resistance even without a device like his helmet.
Originally posted by Allankles
Personally I don't see how there's any training you can do stop someone from forcefully taking over your mind, unless you have some psionic abilities which can be redirected to serve as a telepathic defense with training.Anything outside of implants or devices (technological or magical) for non psionics like Wolverine doesn't add up. In the case of Magento even if he isn't a telepath he does have psionic abilities, so with training he can develop a resistance even without a device like his helmet.
I think the training was to resist giving out information and fight for control over possession/mind control, which is really a battle of wills.
I don't think there's a training to resist frying someones mind though with the kind of psi-bolt that can hurt the physical realm eg. shatter a building.
Originally posted by Allankles
Personally I don't see how there's any training you can do stop someone from forcefully taking over your mind, unless you have some psionic abilities which can be redirected to serve as a telepathic defense with training.Anything outside of implants or devices (technological or magical) for non psionics like Wolverine doesn't add up. In the case of Magento even if he isn't a telepath he does have psionic abilities, so with training he can develop a resistance even without a device like his helmet.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
well I disagree. Mental scaring which creates barrier to prevent excesses to inner thoughts is a very believable in my opinion as is being animalistic makes it difficult to reach the individual especially when they can pretty much shut off there higher functions of thought.
But what's the point of TP if I can't rifle through your brain at will? If Wolverine can't tangle with me at that psionic plane, his mind is mine for the taking (not unless he has some implants, technological or otherwise, to stop me).