Originally posted by D_Dude1210So true, but of course that doesn't show in any way that the majority aren't correct here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum
On a side note sometimes we have to resort to the majority opinion and move past fringe theory stuff to resolve anything - we say things like "current scientific thought is that..." etc about scientific theories, or we teach kids that "people did land on the moon" even though some still disagree. But it relies on participants knowing what they are talking about...
Originally posted by D_Dude1210I guess it's possible but I doubt it. I think it was just her realizing as he was ranting away that she would never be rid of the guy and actually be free to move on to other relationships!
Thanos was empowered by Mistress Death to not die. And somehow (at the end of TI) when Thanos begged her to take him back, the singular tear in her eye seems to point out that even she could not undo what she did (otherwise, why leave him outside her realm? She's shown to have feelings for him before...)
Originally posted by quanchi112Not sure this argument makes a whole lot of sense when put like that. So if Nekron is killable, Thanos would still need the power to do it, which I don't think he has. But in any case whatever Thanos did in the Cancerverse doesn't really have a bearing on a DC death figure. As other posters have said here these things aren't the same in each universe.
Thanos has the power to kill those who can't die, enter Nekron
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Thanos kills him. He's not unkillable as per his own story.
As powerful as Thanos is I think Nekron would consistently win this, whether he can or can't actually kill Thanos permanently doesn't really matter. Under forum conditions it would be a win either way.
Originally posted by basilisk
So true, but of course that doesn't show in any way that the majority aren't correct here.On a side note sometimes we have to resort to the majority opinion and move past fringe theory stuff to resolve anything - we say things like "current scientific thought is that..." etc about scientific theories, or we teach kids that "people did land on the moon" even though some still disagree. But it relies on participants knowing what they are talking about...
Of course it doesn't show in any way whether or not the majority is correct. That's what debating is for. 😛
Just wanted to point out that we shouldn't use "who agreed with who" arguments here as those really aren't at all relevant.
Originally posted by basilisk
I guess it's possible but I doubt it. It was just her realizing as he was ranting away that she would never be rid of the guy and actually be free to move on to other relationships!
My theory makes much more sense than yours. 😛
Death liked having Thanos as a consort, with the services he rendered her, don't knw why she wouldn't take him back to her realm as a reward.
It just didn't look like she had the capability to do so anymore. I guess her removal of Thanos from her realm wasn't something reversible. Her show of sorrow at the end seems to support this.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210Nah, she just wants Thanos out of the way so she can make a move on Deadpool.
Death liked having Thanos as a consort, with the services he rendered her, don't knw why she wouldn't take him back to her realm as a reward.It just didn't look like she had the capability to do so anymore. I guess her removal of Thanos from her realm wasn't something reversible. Her show of sorrow at the end seems to support this.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
I agree that Nekron wins (prolly by destroying Thanos' body long enough for a KO). But I disagree that Nekron would just say "die" and Thanos would die.Thanos was empowered by Mistress Death to not die. And somehow (at the end of TI) when Thanos begged her to take him back, the singular tear in her eye seems to point out that even she could not undo what she did (otherwise, why leave him outside her realm? She's shown to have feelings for him before...)
She did not want him back. It's not that she can't. She banished him her realm the same way she agreed not to claim the Elder's of the Universe. And then she ended up killing them later anyways. There's no indication she doesn't have the power to take him back to her realm.
I don't believe Nekron = Death (or at leas the manifestation of Nekron in BN is not equal to Death) and I don't believe that Nekron has the power to kill Thanos where Death seems to show that she can no longer do so.
Nah, aside from that current showing where she put down the Many Angeled One's by channeling her power through their avatar, his feats are just as good.
Still, I believe Nekron stomps, tho. But NOT by permanently killing Thanos. More of a 10-count KO rule win.
That's the thing. Thanos would be KO against Nekron. You don't need to kill to win but that's what some posters want to believe. The guy claims souls as a living; Thanos ends up in Nekron's realm every time.
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
She did not want him back. It's not that she can't. She banished him her realm the same way she agreed not to claim the Elder's of the Universe. And then she ended up killing them later anyways. There's no indication she doesn't have the power to take him back to her realm.
Then why show sorrow in her decision? You seem to assume that she did what she did "just because". But her expression at the end of the arc shows otherwise.
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Nah, aside from that current showing where she put down the Many Angeled One's by channeling her power through their avatar, his feats are just as good.
Well, why take that feat "aside"? She has limited feats but that one was preeeeetttyyy conclusive about the power difference between the two.
Also, you're simply assuming that she "channeled" her powers thru the Mar-Vell. IMO, she just needed to be able to get to him, when she managed to do so, she destroyed him (who was unkillable thru any other less powerful means due to the very powerful forces that was keeping him alive), and thru that, re-established Death's hold on that Universe.
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
That's the thing. Thanos would be KO against Nekron. You don't need to kill to win but that's what some posters want to believe. The guy claims souls as a living; Thanos ends up in Nekron's realm every time.
Well, yeah, that's what I said, Thanos would be KOd and that would mean that Nekron stomps.
No, I disagree, if the Marvel incarnation of Death couldn't seem to kill Thanos then I HIGHLY doubt Nekron could do so as he has never shown anything at the level of Marvel's version of Death.
Nekron still wins tho. I just disagree with your logic.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
DC' version's manifestation of Death does not have the same powers/abilities as the Marvel version. Tho they may have the same relevance/importance, they do NOT have the same abilities as they are written differently.T'would be like saying the Spawn God and the DC God should be considered the same and given the same abilities as they have the same relevance/importance in their respective universes (we all know they don't).
Gaiman's Death is basically the same as Marvel's Death. Or closest thing to MU Death.
Originally posted by iceman24567
Thanos has been koed twice since he came back pretty sure he can be koed here.....
That's the funny thing about the Thanos Imperative.
Cosmic Cube. Thanos was at 30%. Rocket Raccoon's Scanners show that soon Thanos will be practically physically invunerable.
Rocket Raccoon threatens Thanos with a Plasma Cannon to the face. Thanos was at around 40%. Thanos is now immune to telepathic attacks.
Drax kills Thanos with a Negative Bomb which can destroy anything.Thanos is at around 70%. He rejuvinates in 2-3 secs at peak health.
Endgame Thanos is still growing and allows Mar-vell to use a death sword on him (which does'nt seem to do much) The threat of Thanos dying brings LAdy Death and she kicks Cthulu ass.
Who knows how powerful Thanos would be at 100%. But I agree with D_Dude if Thanos at 70% kept being attacked when being nuked by a negative bomb that scores a win in my books.
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Originally posted by quanchi112
I'd consider that pretty much nobody agrees with you.You said nobody else agrees you were wrong.
The majority should have no bearing here when I have backed up my case and then some.
My original quote.
Originally posted by Stall_19
Because Quan somehow thinks Thanos can win. I don't and pretty much nobody else does.
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Originally posted by WhiteWitchKingThe Am was rocked by the bomb during the sc war he didn't just lock up a fresh as a daisy Nekron. I mean you show no grasp of the source material and with your post count over 4 years I see why usually just stay on the sidelines.
And at his normal level, he locked up the Anti-Monitor to create is BL. Without his BL, he still without the AM and banished him easily. You are slow because the AM reborn couldn't put take out Nekron while some White Rings did. Too slow Quanchi.So let's go with your logic. It takes the IG or UN to defeat Nekron. Thanos is neither. AM, a being that can burn the Oans, with just his touch couldn't beat Nekron and was removed easily. Thanos is going to do what to Nekron again? Thanos who begged Galactus to halt his attack? Thanos who couldn't even budge Odin? Thanos is going to physically harm Nekron when a pissed off AM couldn't? You are slow.
Right. And you're going to give me an exact measurement of that? Guest he'll blast Odin around this time instead of getting slapped around by the old man. He moved Galactus that was burned by Galan. So he ain't that powerful. AM, who, powered the entire BL couldn't do a thing to Nekron. The White Rings did. So the difference?
Lol. Not only did I read Thanos Imperative, I've provided a good number of scans to these forums. So those scans you've been reading for Thanos Imperative, I'm sure you got indirectly from me.
This is the same Thanos that killed a few living beings with his death powers and needed the embodiment of death to destroy to the Old Ones because he lacked the power to do so. Killing some random Defenders of the Realm somehow means you can kill another embodiment of death? Lol. An avatar of death using a fraction of the true death's power is going to kill another version of death? You are slow.
So now Ganthet, AM, and Spectre are only Thor level? Thanos was the power source of an entire corps that over whelmed the seven other corps? lol. Silly Quanchi. Thanos had trouble with Drax punching his face in.
So without his corps and BL, how come a pissed off and newly born AM couldn't beat him? And if you want to bring in the physical argument, then it took a piss off AM and the power of the White Light to beat him physically. Thanos is the equivalent of the power source of the BL and life energies? Again, you're just silly.
So what's to suggest Thanos has enough power to match AM and the life energies?
Quanchi, ignorance is you. Thanos has IG level powers now? I didn't know Thanos was the equivalent of the AM in power. Sure beating some Defenders and Drax puts you on the some power level as AM or the IG!
?Like AM did when he had a direct shot at Nekron and failed? Lol? Like Sinestro who had to chain Nekron using powers of a universe being and then attempt to kill him? Yeah, Thanos is going to hold off a being that AM failed to defeat. Please, you just...Quanchi! Lol. That's what you are: a Quanchi. The equivalent of a poorman's Colossus-C.
Because he was death avatar. Power of an entire universe my butt. Nobody died because their was no concept of death. Thanos, being the avatar of death, brought death to everything he destroys. Not hard to understand. Except here, Nekron is death so how the F#$k who that work on him? He's basically death walking in the realm of the living. Are you going to use gasoline to put out that fire in your house Quanchi? Silly Quanchi.
That's very impressive to somebody to a noob. Having death's power and introducing it to beings that lost the concept of death is impressive? Nekron tanked AM's attack. Thanos did what again in that series?
Lol. Why are you asking me questions on this when you said you read BN already? Jeez, Quanchi. It took the AM and the White Light power to defeat Nekron. Who'd he kill? He didn't get a chance to kill anybody because he was getting ganged up by everybody. It took the seven corps to attack Nekron, the source, and failed to harm him. Then the Entity formed the White Lantern Corps to bring to life to Black Hand - Nekron's link to the life. It even says that they needed to get BH's heart going to shut the door in Nekron's face. Once BH was alive, Nekron weakened in the living realm and the White Ring was able to break through the BL and release AM. And everybody attacked Nekron and failed to do so. Only when BH was brought back to life did they start having a chance at all. And even in the end, it took AM and the White Rings to finish Nekron. Did Nekron kill anyone? lol, he never had a chance because everyone jumped at him to defeat him. lol. Thanos is going to match AM's output?
You are a noob. Thanos is going to harm death by blasting him? lol. Thanos defeated the cancerverse beings because he was death's avatar. Drax killed Thanos in Annihilation because he was life's avatar and Thanos' bane. How does Thanos kill Nekron? By blasting him? A pissed off AM failed. How do you put Thanos on the same level as a guy that was the power source of Black Lantern? What a noob.
Hello noob, how are you today? Do you want me to provide you with BN scans so you can learn something?
Where did I say he was more powerful than Nekron? The only thing I've said was that nobody killed BH like a nobody killed Thanos. Same level. lol @ noob. You seem to infer that because Nekron was destroyed from the living, which he was, that I'm saying BH is greater than Nekron. Please keep up with me. I don't want to have to resort to baby speak with you now okay?
Kinda like how AM failed to do. Riiiight.
Based off of the fact that he imprisoned AM like a *****. Him tanking a newly born AM and then removing him like AM like the ***** he was. You remember AM right? The same guy that powered an entire Yellow Lantern Corps? Then powered an entire BL corps? Thanos blasted some Defenders and some how he's going to harm Nekron? lol
So Thanos is on the same level as the Life Entity that gave life to everything in the universe? Noob? Yup, you're a noob. And he was only resurrected back because death wanted him back. Here, Nekron is death and claim him into his realm.
So now you want to claim he's on the level of the being that spawn life in the universe or the being that powered an entire corpse? lol
Thanos is not unkillable. Do I need to provide you with scans of Thanos Imperative as well and explain things to you in baby speak noob?
Nekron = death
Mistress Death = death
Thanos =/= dead because Mistress Death says no no!
Thanos = dead because Nekron says welcome *****! Bend over and say ah! And I've got a ring for you too!
My logic has nothing to do with the ig or un. Nothing. I think Thanos has the power to do so but your logic states only the white lanterns can do so meaning anything else other than that fails which is horrible logic. I used it as an example of something your own logic and yourself disagree with. You can't even figure out what I meant it's not looking good for your deduction and logical skills.
This is only destroying his body and in the comic and being death is irrelevant it's based on the power you show not the title of who or what you are. Nekron was extremely weakened after he lost his corps and his amp through Am.
Nekron tanked his attack and was killed on the very next page. That's not impressive in the least. Nekron bfr'd him which isn't impressive either. Thanos tossed around Lord Mar-vell like a ragdoll while still weakened and killed billions of followers while naked and mindless. The guy would wreck Nekron any day of the week.
Thanos is the avatar of death so he represented a abstract level's power and unkillability to also get the job done. Nekron's heart was easily wrecked by Sinestro so Thanos does the same. I mean back up your claim you seem obsessed with plot devices and can't see past them.
Thor is more powerful than ganthet and the others you named based on feats of power. LOL. These guys are small time compared to Thor unless Am is amped like in coie. I mean do you read Thor ?
The black battery assumed control over those who died in the dc universe that was it. They were easily defeated to boot and lost the entire corps.
The proof is in the pudding per Thanos Imperative he is the avatar of death and is unkillable. He represents far more power than anyone in Nekron's corps. He also used Am's power source meaning the entire corps and he himself were amped until the very end which has no place here in this thread. It's like Thanos using Galactus and his energies for himself throughout a story and then when he loses it acting like I can argue based on what he was capable of with Galactus in his possession. Think.
Read what I wrote and please try and understand it. You don't even comprehend my points and lack intelligence.
Wrong, Thanos had power to defy the natural order of life being unstoppable there. Thanos can rewrite the laws there with his own powers and make death permanent. That's massively impressive I mean Nekron lost his entire corps and amp to life. That's laughable. Thanos won whereas Nekron was laughable embarassed. Thanos was responsible for the death of a universe and Nekron killed how many again ? LOL.
Nekron was easily kiled after he lost his amp. Right on panel. 🙂