At last, I finally see. Baby Boomers are everything wrong with society.

Originally posted by skekUng
I guess that was people seeing their friend's fried on the drug and calling for quality controls. Can't sell to dead customers.

wut?

LSD is a VERY beningn substance. It can have psychological impacts on a person, but it would be pretty much impossible to OD on it

Originally posted by skekUng
Free market economy?

war on drugs

more cost involved in producing it, less demand (people switched to coke, meth, and e), not a cultural thing anymore

there are lots of theories, the "acid was too dangerous" one is almost certainly not true

Originally posted by skekUng
I assume you aren't talking about the 49th ward, so to which 'community' are you referring? What in that community is left from those days?

Originally posted by inimalist
I tried to grow phalaris grass once to synthesize DMT, it didn't work (it turns out my thumbs aren't even close to green, and I literally cannot grow a grass), but the most difficult part of the process was finding good solvents and especially finding good equipment.

I can't imagine there are any extremely hard steps in making LSD (its sensitivity to light and temperature aside) that would require a PHD or anything. The hardest part would probably be setting up a decent lab to do the work in. The equipment and chemicals needed would likely be very expensive, if even available on the open market.

Originally posted by inimalist
shit, I feel like I'm all over the place with this, so I will stop before it is any more convoluted...

It was a bit all over the place. But, do you see, looking back on it, as a waste of your time or as a part of your life that made you who you are? Do you think that community, counter culture, whatever, sprang up for the same reason as the one in the 60s and 70s? In my experience, the rave culture was totally accepting, as long as you were too. A lot of people, just like any gathering of people, hated if you refused to be exactly like them. I might not have wanted to take special K or X, and they saw that as some sort of condemnation of their perspective, much less their behavior while they were on it. I'm fine with a few drinks and a joint. Don't give me coke, because I end up on a soapbox giving Hitler a run for his money when it comes to ranting about politics. There simply wasn't anything appealing to me about a drug that left you rubbing up on furniture and people like a needy cat. That was simply me, though. I didn't mind them wanting to do it. But tell someone that you didn't want their drug of choice and they acted like I'd just called their mother a whore.

I guess my point is that if you reach the conclusion of acceptance and love only after you use a drug, then the concept was never really grasped. If you look at life as one on going party and then end up resenting the need to grow up as a black and white choice between that carefree life and the misery of responsability, then you end up losing your perspective, trading in your bell bottoms for brooks brothers and your volkwagon for a Mercedes. The ideas weren't bad, you just end up trading one indulgence for another when indulgence is the biggest priority in your life. The only thing they had left when the drugs wore off and the responsability kicked in was their zeal. The fought with reckless abandon for their ideas in the 60s, and when their priorities changed in the 80s, all they had left was their desire to get what they wanted at any expense. It was really the only mentality they had ever operated under, so it was all they knew.

I suppose half of getting the degree would be learning where to aquire these things...

Originally posted by inimalist
wut?

LSD is a VERY beningn substance. It can have psychological impacts on a person, but it would be pretty much impossible to OD on it

war on drugs

more cost involved in producing it, less demand (people switched to coke, meth, and e), not a cultural thing anymore

there are lots of theories, the "acid was too dangerous" one is almost certainly not true

It was a joke. In making it, I combined all those psychotropic? drugs. It was really a joke about the free market correcting itself. I have seen first hand people who got friend by X. It's not a pretty sight.

Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo

Yes, the Boomers. The promiscuous "free love and do drugs" Boomers who epitomized hedonism in their early years. Woodstock, fornication, and Haight-Ahsbury defined them--all of them gluttons of the flesh, consuming everything pleasurable with no thought to moral consequence. And if that lifestyle had continued, the Boomers would have done us all a favor and died young, saving our country from the crushing weight of Medicare and Social Security.

If its any consolation: in a bout 20 years (or less) the Baby Boomers will be mostly history.

Originally posted by inimalist
I suppose half of getting the degree would be learning where to aquire these things...

Just for inclusions sake, here's Shulgin's instructions for making LSD. Do you think you could pull this off? (Also, contains an interesting note on serotonin activity in LSD-analogues).

http://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/tihkal/tihkal26.shtml

Originally posted by King Kandy
Just for inclusions sake, here's Shulgin's instructions for making LSD. Do you think you could pull this off? (Also, contains an interesting note on serotonin activity in LSD-analogues).

http://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/tihkal/tihkal26.shtml

no

in fact, the first sentence refers to "magnetically" stirring something, which I would have no idea about.

a lot of the terms I can sort of infer what they mean, but I have no idea what a lot of the technical stuff they refer to is talking about, like brining something to a reflux by suspension.

way harder than extracting tryptomines from phalaris grass, or at least it looks that way

Originally posted by inimalist
and then some

though, the ultimate dream would be genetic work, which I think some people in the netherlands are trying to do

there have been some recent peer-review papers about how to grow high quality weed, or how to use spectroscipy to determine THC content, so it might just be a matter of time before science comes up with new superweed.

or, there is always my bioterrorism idea: splice THC into highly invasive dandilions, then demand marijuana be made legal or the seeds will be relaease.

Or just release them without fanfare and smoke 'em legally.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Or just release them without fanfare and smoke 'em legally.

except for the unintended consequences of releasing a weed into the biosphere that is specifically designed to be invasive

sure, potentially, it is just as bad as dandelions. it also could destroy agriculture

Originally posted by inimalist
in fact, the first sentence refers to "magnetically" stirring something, which I would have no idea about.

Attach a magnet to a motor. Machine a piece of ferrogmagnetic metal into a ---|--- shape and coat it in plastic. Suspend your beaker just above the motor and turn it on.

You can buy hot plates that are designed for doing that.

Originally posted by inimalist
except for the unintended consequences of releasing a weed into the biosphere that is specifically designed to be invasive

sure, potentially, it is just as bad as dandelions. it also could destroy agriculture

Well if you have a weapon that can do that you don't need it to also have THC in it, do you?

thread topic is now: KMC's guide to making drugs

Originally posted by inimalist
no

in fact, the first sentence refers to "magnetically" stirring something, which I would have no idea about.

a lot of the terms I can sort of infer what they mean, but I have no idea what a lot of the technical stuff they refer to is talking about, like brining something to a reflux by suspension.

way harder than extracting tryptomines from phalaris grass, or at least it looks that way

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Well if you have a weapon that can do that you don't need it to also have THC in it, do you?

i guess not...

the threat isn't that it will destroy agriculture, that is just a possible side effect

the threat is, there is no way the state could actually control dandilions, and thus, THC would become defacto legal.

I really havent brought this past the drawing-board stage of planning

Originally posted by King Kandy
What path were you using, for the synthesis of DMT?

really simple

mash up the plant, use a... actually, i don't remember exactly off hand, you have to use either a lipid solvent, or the one (alkaline?)that isn't a lipid, to remove the tryptomines from the plant matter, let it evaporate

then you use the other one, to remove any of the remaining chemicals

EDIT: and there you see my knowledge of chemistry

god, seriously, this was years ago, I'm sure I'm missing something, but that was the general principle. I had a little notebook that I had all my plans and stuff in, but I got rid of that soon after I failed to grow the grass.

I found most of the info through Erowid, so if you are interested, I'm sure it is there. I still have a bunch of seeds, maybe I'll rig up something in a closet in my apt, give it a go again, or just grow it on my balcony this spring.

Shulgin's synthesis route for DMT, appears considerably more simple (in any pathway) than the LSD synthesis described. Starts from base Tryptamine and Methyl Iodide, seems easy enough with proper equipment.

http://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/tihkal/tihkal06.shtml

Originally posted by skekUng
It was a bit all over the place. But, do you see, looking back on it, as a waste of your time or as a part of your life that made you who you are?

no, I loved it. I still go to "raves".

I don't go as nuts with the e as I used to, but if I still knew where to get pure MDMA, I'd be all over that. K is different, I'd very quickly become addicted to it, so I have to make sure I don't open that door, and only do it as a binge (I had a ball of it this summer, haven't touched it since).

Other than that, I think we are saying pretty much the same thing, only you put it in a much less convoluted way than I did 🙂

Originally posted by King Kandy
Shulgin's synthesis route for DMT, appears considerably more simple (in any pathway) than the LSD synthesis described. Starts from base Tryptamine and Methyl Iodide, seems easy enough with proper equipment.

http://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/tihkal/tihkal06.shtml

hmmm, maybe I'm using the wrong term

I wasn't synthesizing it from base chemicals, but rather extracting the DMT from a plant that naturally produces it.

in fact, the method I would have used could also have removed psilopsybin from mushrooms or thc from weed.

but, no, I totally remember being shocked at how easy it seemed it was going to be to make it.