Originally posted by TheLordofMurderNo its actually not viable 😬
Time Travel is an overpowered tactic though and most of Marvel and DC are vulnerable to being beaten with it...But it is still viable in a forum fight; although it makes almost any time traveler with prep unbeatable...
He can't do that with prep. It is against the rules. I'm surprised they just argued instead of pointing that out.
Quit trolling.
Originally posted by Black bolt z
No its actually not viable 😬He can't do that with prep. It is against the rules. I'm surprised they just argued instead of pointing that out.
Quit trolling.
Ok...1st of all...piss off; how dare you accuse me of trolling.
If you want to point a finger at someone who trolls, I suggest you either look in the mirror or look at Quan...
Atleast I create well thought out posts and base my conclusions on comicbook fact opposed to going off what others say (like yourself) or argue from a standpoint of sheer blind fanboyism (like Quan)...
So again, piss off...
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Bfr your opponent with no way for them to return within a reasonable time frame is one of the forums rules I believe... And it's entirely possible within dooms ability set to drop his opponent at the end of time if he really wanted... He just would never do that being a villain and it would ruin stories...
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Though he should. He should take mikaboshi and drop him off at the end of time itself.
Rule:
Combatants who leave the field of combat on purpose forfeit the match. If they are removed from the arena against their will (being punched, thrown, teleported, etc.) and can make it back under their own power in a reasonable amount of time, then they are still in the fight. Obviously, if a combatant leaves the field and cannot return under their own power, then they have lost.
Here Doom has 1 hour to prep; during that hour he goes back in time (via his time machine) to the date and place of Thanos's birth...
Since he is inside of the Asgardian Destroyer, he annihilates Thanos, his mother, and his father; none of which have any chance against him in such a situation...
He then returns to the present (again, via his time machine) before the match actually starts; this is within the boundaries of the rules...
Thanos has no defense to this; as a result, Doom wins every single time...
Originally posted by TheLordofMurderQuan is ignorant and biased. But for the most part he doesn't troll.
Ok...1st of all...piss off; how dare you accuse me of trolling.If you want to point a finger at someone who trolls, I suggest you either look in the mirror or look at Quan...
Atleast I create well thought out posts and base my conclusions on comicbook fact opposed to going off what others say (like yourself) or argue from a standpoint of sheer blind fanboyism (like Quan)...
So again, piss off...
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Originally posted by TheLordofMurderHe won't be able to find out where and when.
Here Doom has 1 hour to prep; during that hour he goes back in time (via his time machine) to the date and place of Thanos's birth...Since he is inside of the Asgardian Destroyer, he annihilates Thanos, his mother, and his father; none of which have any chance against him in such a situation...
He then returns to the present (again, via his time machine) before the match actually starts; this is within the boundaries of the rules...
Thanos has no defense to this; as a result, Doom wins every single time...
And its still against the rules to use any sort of offensive time travel with prep.
Of course anyone capable of time travel can pull this off against almost anyone (expect perhaps Abstracts and High End Cosmics; although you might be able to "off" a few of them if you traveled back to a point where they were extremely weak and vulnerable) with prep...
Like I said, its an overpowered, but valid tactic..
Doom himself could be killed with this tactic and be completely helpless against it if his opponent had time traveling ability and prep...
Originally posted by TheLordofMurderExcept you can't do anything offensive with prep.Not until the match starts.
Of course anyone capable of time travel can pull this off against almost anyone (expect perhaps Abstracts and High End Cosmics; although you might be able to "off" a few of them if you traveled back to a point where they were extremely weak and vulnerable) with prep...Like I said, its an overpowered, but valid tactic..
Doom himself could be killed with this tactic and be completely helpless against it if his opponent had time traveling ability and prep...
Originally posted by Black bolt z
Quan is ignorant and biased. But for the most part he doesn't troll. He won't be able to find out where and when.And its still against the rules to use any sort of offensive time travel with prep.
Yeah he does troll; when he says ridiculous things like "Thanos beats Galactus every single time Galactus cant win" despite anything anyone says contrary to that...he's trolling.
Bottomline.
Its ridiculous, stupid, and he will say it to the exclusion of anything said to contradict it...so again, he trolls...and does it continuously.
As pertains Doom using his prep to time travel, where in the rules does it say that this tactic is not allowable in the fashion I have stated Doom uses it in?
I have read the rules and can find nothing prohibiting its use as I would have Doom use it...
Also, I honestly think Mephisto would be willing to ally with Doom with the common goal being the permenent elimination of Thanos; Mephisto could find the info out almost immediately...
Originally posted by TheLordofMurderIts biased. And stupidity. But frankly it isn't trolling.
Yeah he does troll; when he says ridiculous things like "Thanos beats Galactus every single time Galactus cant win" despite anything anyone says contrary to that...he's trolling.Bottomline.
Its ridiculous, stupid, and he will say it to the exclusion of anything said to contradict it...so again, he trolls...and does it continuously.
As pertains Doom using his prep to time travel, where in the rules does it say that this tactic is not allowable in the fashion I have stated Doom uses it in?
I have read the rules and can find nothing prohibiting its use as I would have Doom use it...
Also, I honestly think Mephisto would be willing to ally with Doom with the common goal being the permenent elimination of Thanos; Mephisto could find the info out almost immediately...
Top....line.
Yeah its called being biased and a bad debater. Not trolling.
Because you can't do anything offensive with prep. You gotta wait until the match starts.
Read them again.
Doom will never ally with mephisto. He hates him. And like Rotiart said it would create an alternate timeline. The Thanos that Doom would have to fight would be unaffected.
Originally posted by rotiart
Well no. Because there are issues that show traveling back in time only results in creating a divergent timeline... The thanos you were meant to fight still exists... The fact you have now returned to the wrong universe bfrs yourself...
There are also instances where time travel directly affects the present without a divergent timeline being created; its an inconsistency with writters, but it exists nonetheless...
Both have resulted; a direct effect on the present without a divergent timeline being created and with a divergent timeline being created...
We are both right as pertains the comics...
Of course this isnt a comic...its a forum fight...and given current knowledge of physics, there is no reason to believe (more importantly, no evidence to support) a divergent timeline would be created by a time traveler going back in time to change the future.
Therefore, its reasonable to expect that this time traveling tactic would work against Thanos exactly as Doom plans...
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Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
There are also instances where time travel directly affects the present without a divergent timeline being created; its an inconsistency with writters, but it exists nonetheless...Both have resulted; a direct effect on the present without a divergent timeline being created and with a divergent timeline being created...
We are both right as pertains the comics...
Of course this isnt a comic...its a forum fight...and given current knowledge of physics, there is no reason to believe (more importantly, no evidence to support) a divergent timeline would be created by a time traveler going back in time to change the future.
Therefore, its reasonable to expect that this time traveling tactic would work against Thanos exactly as Doom plans...
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Current knowledge of physics? What are you talking about. Facts are not the same as theories... A theory is something that hasn't been proven false yet...
In dc they created hypertime to explain the divergent timelines and 52 oter universes as a result...
In marvel when bishops future was destroyed he wasmt affected, neuter was cable fitzroy... Rachel summers etc... When legion went back and killed Xavier creating age of apocalypse that is now considered a divergent timeline...
So... Yeah...
Originally posted by TheLordofMurderNo it doesn't. Alternate timeline happens more often.
There are also instances where time travel directly affects the present without a divergent timeline being created; its an inconsistency with writters, but it exists nonetheless...Both have resulted; a direct effect on the present without a divergent timeline being created and with a divergent timeline being created...
We are both right as pertains the comics...
Of course this isnt a comic...its a forum fight...and given current knowledge of physics, there is no reason to believe (more importantly, no evidence to support) a divergent timeline would be created by a time traveler going back in time to change the future.
Therefore, its reasonable to expect that this time traveling tactic would work against Thanos exactly as Doom plans...
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Name one.
True. Just name one.
Mabye.
No its not. You can't do anything offensive with prep.
Stop trolling.
Originally posted by Black bolt z
Doom will never ally with mephisto. He hates him.
Doom does hate him, but if Doom wants to kill Thanos, I could see him putting it aside to accomplish this goal...
Afterall, Doom hates Reed Richards more than anything, but was willing to put aside his hatred of him during the original Secret War to talk with him about the Beyonder...
So, again, I could see Doom allying with Mephisto against Thanos...
As pertains using prep offensively, I would argue that since he isnt directly attacking Thanos in the present, that using time travel to destroy him in the past side steps the rule...
Not meaning to backseat mod... But:
Prep time
Neither side receives any notable prep time before the starting bell unless the thread starter specifies it. Neither side may take any offensive or defensive actions before the starting bell. Planning is allowed and powers that are automatic or 'always on' can be up, but actions such as setting up forcefields, taking flight, or consciously activating powers is not. For example, Batman cannot shove together an 'anti-Avengers ray' before the fight.
Prep Addendum
Prep time of 10 minutes = 10 minutes relative to the character. So time manipulations wouldn't count for more time. Say Strange went back in time 2 years before the battle is scheduled to start. His 10 minutes would still be running, so he can't just arbitrarily give himself infinite prep time.
In other words, make prep relative to the character, not to their manipulations of time.
@rotiart
1 hour is more than enough time for Doom to kill Thanos in the past and return to the present before the start of the fight; especially if Mephisto gives him the exact time and place...
Doom has the Asgardian Destroyer; a newborn Thanos is going to vanish without a trace after one shot of the Disintegrator Beam...