Goku runs the Comic Characters Gauntlet

Originally posted by Black bolt z
But we've also seen blasts take over a second to hit someone 10 feet away. They very greatly in speed.

OK. Thats not even remotely close to 1/1000 of light speed.

See above. The things you mention are either inconsistent or less then you think they are

Ummm...No I didn't. Unless it was stated it was light speed or I have any other reason to believe it was light speed to me it isn't light speed.

Except he wasn't.

Are you referring to the anime "where they slow EVERYTHING" down for us to see what's going on? I have proven this, why discuss this when on-panel, everything is slowed for us.

What's not light speed? Nano second speed?

So a beam making it to the moon in less than a second isn't light speed? So basically since it takes light 2 seconds to make it to the moon but since roshi blast is much faster along with piccolo blast we are going to ignore tis because

What is inconsistent? What happened in dbz to make their speed inconsistent combat wise? Are just saying things to make yourself look good?

Originally posted by carver9
Are you referring to the anime "where they slow EVERYTHING" down for us to see what's going on? I have proven this, why discuss this when on-panel, everything is slowed for us.

What's not light speed? Nano second speed?

So a beam making it to the moon in less than a second isn't light speed? So basically since it takes light 2 seconds to make it to the moon but since roshi blast is much faster along with piccolo blast we are going to ignore tis because

What is inconsistent? What happened in dbz to make their speed inconsistent combat wise? Are just saying things to make yourself look good?

Its not nanosecond. You said the referee saw a blur. It was a milisecond feat. Not near a nanosecond.

So once again are you claiming ALL DBZ blasts go this fast?

😐...I said blast speed not combat speed. They don't have light speed combat speed either. But then again few do.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Carver....so are you claiming all blasts in dragon ball Z go light speed? Confirm this and I will prove you wrong....tomorrow. Gotta go beddie by.

Its not nanosecond. You said the referee saw a blur. It was a milisecond feat. Not near a nanosecond.

So once again are you claiming ALL DBZ blasts go this fast?

😐...I said blast speed not combat speed. They don't have light speed combat speed either. But then again few do.

Huh? Piccolo shot a blast at the moon that destroyed it instantly... a light speed feat. Why would piccolo shoot a slower blast at Raditz (common sense). Raditz dodged the SAME type of blast that piccolo destroyed the moon with instantly "that is why piccolo was shocked".

Everything points to a dbz character having light speed reaction/speed but again that's where denial comes into place.

You using anime is irrelevant since again 90% of the things in anime is slowed down so that we can see it... especially the kamehameha since it is a signature move but that still does not take away from the fact that the kamehameha has made it to the moon INSTANTLY by a far weaker character.

The sad thing is DBZ characters havee light speed feats since early dragonball.

Then you state that you would rather go by "statements", well if that's the case Popo during regular dragonball was fast as lightning (statement) and he was teaching goku how to be as fast as lightning as a child.

There goes your statement. One of the weakest versions of goku possessing and being trained to go 93000 mps.

What feats make you not believe they are light speedsters combat wise because with the post that the guy on my scan presented its pretty much "common sense". He put everything right in you face, what more do you need. Then he showed scan of goku during the frieze fight out pacing a light speed attack that he was trapped in... hell Picollo referred goku as being a "god".

Originally posted by Black bolt z
King Kai. Supreme Kai didn't come until later. This statement is just stupid "I think it is obvious, that early DBZ characters can react and fight at light speed"

There is no evidence to support this. And that blog was all opinion.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Exactly its opinion only somebody like carver would pass it off as fact 😆

Naah, it is something that you always had intentions of ignoring even if it was thrown right in front of your face that these characters were far above light speed. There is no chaning your opinion of the characters because your mind is made up so why not just overal stop posting in dbz related threads since you have no liking of the characters? I dislike Spiderman that's why 95% of the time I am not posting in his lame threads because my mind is already made up about the character.

Originally posted by carver9
Naah, it is something that you always had intentions of ignoring even if it was thrown right in front of your face that these characters were far above light speed. There is no chaning your opinion of the characters because your mind is made up so why not just overal stop posting in dbz related threads since you have no liking of the characters? I dislike Spiderman that's why 95% of the time I am not posting in his lame threads because my mind is already made up about the character.

Originally posted by carver9
Not just winking out but fighting at constant "invisible to super human eyes speed". Can you show me one character in marvel or dc fighting this fast at a constant rate?

You will never find it.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Why do you guys even try? carver is stuck in his ways stop trying to convince him otherwise

I just joke around in these threads 95% of the time now. I believe Goku is somewhere around mid herald, but it seems pointless to argue it. The people who agree with me already agree. The people who disagree will never come around to the truth. 😛

Originally posted by carver9
By the way, don't IGNORE what is said in that scan because you don't like the characters. Embrace what you are reading and don't lowball. Basically everything that is said is common sense and accurate. I can see people ignoring everything due to denial especially when it comes to DBZ characters.

Originally posted by StyleTime
My way is funnier. uhuh

What way? What gold of a post did I miss??????

Originally posted by carver9
Huh? Piccolo shot a blast at the moon that destroyed it instantly... a light speed feat.

Incorrect. That'd be much faster than light-speed. 😄

Originally posted by carver9
Huh? Piccolo shot a blast at the moon that destroyed it instantly... a light speed feat. Why would piccolo shoot a slower blast at Raditz (common sense). Raditz dodged the SAME type of blast that piccolo destroyed the moon with instantly "that is why piccolo was shocked".

Everything points to a dbz character having light speed reaction/speed but again that's where denial comes into place.

You using anime is irrelevant since again 90% of the things in anime is slowed down so that we can see it... especially the kamehameha since it is a signature move but that still does not take away from the fact that the kamehameha has made it to the moon INSTANTLY by a far weaker character.

The sad thing is DBZ characters havee light speed feats since early dragonball.

Then you state that you would rather go by "statements", well if that's the case Popo during regular dragonball was fast as lightning (statement) and he was teaching goku how to be as fast as lightning as a child.

There goes your statement. One of the weakest versions of goku possessing and being trained to go 93000 mps.

What feats make you not believe they are light speedsters combat wise because with the post that the guy on my scan presented its pretty much "common sense". He put everything right in you face, what more do you need. Then he showed scan of goku during the frieze fight out pacing a light speed attack that he was trapped in... hell Picollo referred goku as being a "god".

Actually it doesn't.

And I proved to you by REGULAR HUMANS percieveing them.

😐. No. They don't.

Lightning still isn't near light speed. They still have massive speed. Just not lightspeed. You don't comprehend how fast lightpseed is or nanoseconds.

Ummm...lightning is not half light speed carver 😐.

Its an opinion. An interpretation. Its not fact. And piccolo never called Goku god in the freiza saga.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
OK so you are claiming that all DBZ blasts are light speed right? When Majin Buu sent out his billions of blasts to kill everyone on earth regular humans were able to percieve them and run from them. Not light speed. When fighting cell the same. Also bulma percieving blasts during the frieza Goku fight.

Actually it doesn't.

And I proved to you by REGULAR HUMANS percieveing them.

😐. No. They don't.

Lightning still isn't near light speed. They still have massive speed. Just not lightspeed. You don't comprehend how fast lightpseed is or nanoseconds.

Ummm...lightning is not half light speed carver 😐.

Its an opinion. An interpretation. Its not fact. And piccolo never called Goku god in the freiza saga.

Lol... why would Majin buu need to shoot anything at high speeds against humans? Lol

Lol... what feats discredit them from being light speed? Goku has some of the bst dodging in comics... the only thing that is missing is a figure on how fast they are going and that's when the common sense comes into place.

You never showed me regular humans perceiving them and even if that was the case, humans and super humans NOT seeing them is more fluent in dbz than vice verse. Humans like doctor cold along with thousands of others has seen flash during combat but does that make him not a light speedster... hell no.

Yes they do... you all just discredit it. Goku outranned the solar flare as a child. There ya go, that's a light speed feat.

Lolololololololhahahahaha.... lightning goes 92824 mps (I think I'm off by a couple of numbers) ... that's damn near close to half the speed of light. I don't know why I debate with you when your math is...

Again, I don't know why I debate against you when you know nothing of the anime or the manga. After escaping the "paralyzing light ball" Picollo comments on Goku AND frieza being a god. The beam that goku escaped was a beam of parlyzing "light" and he escaped it without it touching him.

I would love for Goku to clear out this gauntlet, but he would probably stop at Thanos or Darkseid.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol... why would Majin buu need to shoot anything at high speeds against humans? Lol

Lol... what feats discredit them from being light speed? Goku has some of the bst dodging in comics... the only thing that is missing is a figure on how fast they are going and that's when the common sense comes into place.

You never showed me regular humans perceiving them and even if that was the case, humans and super humans NOT seeing them is more fluent in dbz than vice verse. Humans like doctor cold along with thousands of others has seen flash during combat but does that make him not a light speedster... hell no.

Yes they do... you all just discredit it. Goku outranned the solar flare as a child. There ya go, that's a light speed feat.

Lolololololololhahahahaha.... lightning goes 92824 mps (I think I'm off by a couple of numbers) ... that's damn near close to half the speed of light. I don't know why I debate with you when your math is...

Again, I don't know why I debate against you when you know nothing of the anime or the manga. After escaping the "paralyzing light ball" Picollo comments on Goku AND frieza being a god. The beam that goku escaped was a beam of parlyzing "light" and he escaped it without it touching him.

You're correct about lightning.

http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/wea00/wea00189.htm

It's around 1/3 to 1/2 the speed of light.

That's relativistic speeds. If Goku is moving that fast as a child, that would be very very fast.

Originally posted by dadudemon
What way? What gold of a post did I miss??????

Originally posted by carver9
Lol... why would Majin buu need to shoot anything at high speeds against humans? Lol

Lol... what feats discredit them from being light speed? Goku has some of the bst dodging in comics... the only thing that is missing is a figure on how fast they are going and that's when the common sense comes into place.

You never showed me regular humans perceiving them and even if that was the case, humans and super humans NOT seeing them is more fluent in dbz than vice verse. Humans like doctor cold along with thousands of others has seen flash during combat but does that make him not a light speedster... hell no.

Yes they do... you all just discredit it. Goku outranned the solar flare as a child. There ya go, that's a light speed feat.

Lolololololololhahahahaha.... lightning goes 92824 mps (I think I'm off by a couple of numbers) ... that's damn near close to half the speed of light. I don't know why I debate with you when your math is...

Again, I don't know why I debate against you when you know nothing of the anime or the manga. After escaping the "paralyzing light ball" Picollo comments on Goku AND frieza being a god. The beam that goku escaped was a beam of parlyzing "light" and he escaped it without it touching him.

Common sense dictates they can be percieved by humans. You know...as shown. What isn't shown or stated is that things are slowed down. Thats your speculation.

But since your claim that their blasts are past lightspeed and they dodge them proves they are not lightspeed combatants. And even superhumans can't see them. That still doesn't make them near lightspeed.

Prove the solar flare is lightspeed. Please.

I looked it up and I saw it was 14,000 MPH. Not even 1 tenth.

Just because its called a "light" ball doesn't mean its lightspeed Carver...really. And no picoloo never said this. At least in the anime.

I guarntee you i know more about DBZ then you from the sayian saga through the freiza saga.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
So you totally disgard what both I and you say? You claimed all blasts were that fast. They are not. They are avoided by humans. You can't just make up stuff to use that "they slow things down" crap.

Common sense dictates they can be percieved by humans. You know...as shown. What isn't shown or stated is that things are slowed down. Thats your speculation.

But since your claim that their blasts are past lightspeed and they dodge them proves they are not lightspeed combatants. And even superhumans can't see them. That still doesn't make them near lightspeed.

Prove the solar flare is lightspeed. Please.

I looked it up and I saw it was 14,000 MPH. Not even 1 tenth.

Just because its called a "light" ball doesn't mean its lightspeed Carver...really. And no picoloo never said this. At least in the anime.

I guarntee you i know more about DBZ then you from the sayian saga through the freiza saga.

So you know so much about Dragon ball Z huh? You say that humans dodged buu blast.

Show me where they dodged a blast. EVERY human died on the face of the planet... the only HUMAN that survived was Hercule and that was due to his connection with Buu. EVERY last one of them was shot in the heart. You REALLY need to stay out of DBZ threads because you know next to nothing about them

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzF6GEEva-s&feature=related

LOL at lightning being only 14000 mph. A scan was posted above proving your inaccurate theory wrong. Lightning goes half the speed of light... my 5 year old nephew knows this. Read the scan above that was presented to aid you in your caculations. LOL. Remember, since you go by quotes, Popo was half the speed of light and he trained Goku to be just that fast... so with that said, the weakest versions of Goku was hitting 93000 mps using your theory of "quotes". You are an anime person so again, in the manga, it was quoted, in the anime, it was also quoted that Goku would be faster than lightning (as a child) and the thing is, in the anime, they actually had Goku outpacing lighting whereas in the manga, the quote only came into place.

HUH? The Solar Flare is solar energy emitted from the "Z" fighters body. Goku outpaced SOLAR energy and solar energy is FTL. Goku performed numerous of tactics before the energy even reached his body. Think about this, it take rays from the sun seconds to hit earth... it take light 8 minutes tops to make it to the sun. If it take rays from the sun SECONDS and goku outpaced these same rays "as a child" while running to get some glasses, running back to his spot and putting the glasses on his face before "again" the rays touched him, that is a FTL feat.

LOL... here I go again about to prove you wrong... LOLOLOLOL... here we see Goku and Buu shooting blast at each other but from the way the camera has us seeing it, they are only shooting one blast every now and then. Lets look at how it looks from Hercule eyes... Hercules is seeing HUNDREDS of blast flying everywhere whereas we were seeing it in slow motion (OMG this is common sense).

Fast forward this to 6 min and 15 sec...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqnRjSXQrxc&feature=related

Here we have Yamacha and a Saibaman fighting each other and they completely vanish but guess who can see them fighting while moving at super speed... we can

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEP1zjYI_V8

Guess what, here goes another one. Goku and Jeice are fighting and we can actually see whats going on BECAUSE THE CAMERA IS ALLOWING IT but they take the camera away from the fight onto Krillin and Gohun and we actually see how fast they are moving (which is much faster than what the camera ALLOWED us to see) and guess what Krillin and Gohun say... "can you see the fight" Krillin say "NU UH" LOL... they couldnt see NOTHING, Goku and the Ginyu force were WINKING around everywhere but again, they slowed it down so that the viewers can see it (common sense) so with that said, WE either have super human eye sight and we can see faster than Krillin and Gohun OR it was slowed down; your choice... please start the vid at 55 seconds.... LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqmizNkxIbg

Its pretty obvious that their blast are light speed since ROSHI blast made it to the moon instantly and Roshi is the weakest DBZ character that exist and if you are saying that frieza blast is slower than Roshi attacks then you honestly need to get off of any DBZ topic. Picollo blast did the same thing, made it to the moon instantly and he shot a similar blast (the same blast) at Raditz. So again, if we have "the same blast" making it to the moon instantly and raditz dodged this same blast at point blank range, what does that tell you (common sense)?

Piccolo called Goku a god in the manga but since you dont accept the manga, he called Frieza and Goku "monsters" instead of Gods in the anime.

You know next to nothing about DBZ and you prove this every time you post in a thread involving them. You really need to stay out of DBZ threads... leave it to the professionals.

Originally posted by StyleTime
My way is funnier. uhuh

I agree, although I think it applies in a larger sense. Enough information is on these boards to educate posters about either side. At this point, everyone is already committed to their position. I doubt anyone here will change their stances. I'm surprised carver9 is willing to still argue it honestly.

I just joke around in these threads 95% of the time now. I believe Goku is somewhere around mid herald, but it seems pointless to argue it. The people who agree with me already agree. The people who disagree will never come around to the truth. 😛

You assume we dislike the characters because we disagree with your stance. That's not necessarily true.

LOL... no, I dont think that you dislike them at all... it wasnt you that I was talking about when I said that.

Same circles over and over again anyways Goku stops at Adam or Flash

Goku stops at the skyfathers... the rest are fodder.

If we base the match of average canon showings, Goku will stop at "11. Void". If we base the gauntlet of high-end showings he'll get to "4. Absorbing Man" or maybe even as low as "3. Iron Man".

Originally posted by Astner
If we base the match of average canon showings, Goku will stop at "11. Void". If we base the gauntlet of high-end showings he'll get to "4. Absorbing Man" or maybe even as low as "3. Iron Man".

And what has ironman done to make you believe that he could take on goku? Especially a super saiyan. Ironman would get his suit ripped off of him before he even realized there was a fight and honestly, I think goku is too durable/strong for ironman. Goku fought ironman type people as a child and was busting through them like paper.

Absorbing man dies as well... his reaction speed is terrible and he doesn't start off invulnerable as soon as the match starts. Goku could hit him with a casual nuke taking him completely out of the fight.