Originally posted by Bro SMASH
After the dragon was summoned.
The ginyu force made it around the planet in seconds as well so I am pretty sure vegeta can do the same and when the dragonballs were summoned, frieza did fly to it but he also had a Super saiyan that was attacking him...
Two different things and again, I showed you where it stated goku was on the other side of the planet.
Originally posted by carver9
The ginyu force made it around the planet in seconds as well so I am pretty sure vegeta can do the same and when the dragonballs were summoned, frieza did fly to it but he also had a Super saiyan that was attacking him...
But surely, you're not gonna say that the Ginyu Force were on the "opposite side" of the planet, are you?
Originally posted by carver9
Two different things and again, I showed you where it stated goku was on the other side of the planet.
But he wasn't on the "opposite" side of the planet. That's the thing. Freiza was obviously much further away from the dragon than Vegeta was hence, why he didn't make it before Vegeta. Being on the "opposite side" of the planet, that's the furthest you can get but seeing that Vegeta made it there long before Frieza, it clearly shows that he wasn't anywhere near as far away as you claim.
Originally posted by carver9
He outraced it during his fight against tien.Did I say their flight is light speed but since we are talking about that. Namek is twice the size of earth... goku landed on the other side of namek from the frieza and vegeta fight during his arrival. Goku flew from one side of the planet to the other in seconds. That's a light speed feat if we are basing it off of flight.
Then we have krillin and roshi fighting, playing rock paper scissors, taunting, and THINKING in less than 1/5th of a second... that's INSANE and roshi and krillin is like a snail during that time compared to someone like goku during dbz or frieza. Nano seconds ain't crap to them.
Thats still nowhere near as fast as Flash, or even superman. It's not even close to lightspeed either.
Originally posted by Sirius77
Thats still nowhere near as fast as Flash, or even superman. It's not even close to lightspeed either.
Its solar energy emitted from Tiens body... Goku performed numerous of tactics before it touched him. Solar energy is much faster than light and Goku outpaced this energy. That is a FAR faster than light speed feat... now show me Superman doing this. Show me Superman out racing anything similar to solar energy, especially during combat and again, remember, goku did this at his slowest of speeds that he has ever had his entire career.
Show me Superman doing anything similar to what Roshi and Krillin did in less than 1/5 of a second... especially during a combat scenerio.
Originally posted by Bro SMASH
But surely, you're not gonna say that the Ginyu Force were on the "opposite side" of the planet, are you?But he wasn't on the "opposite" side of the planet. That's the thing. Freiza was obviously much further away from the dragon than Vegeta was hence, why he didn't make it before Vegeta. Being on the "opposite side" of the planet, that's the furthest you can get but seeing that Vegeta made it there long before Frieza, it clearly shows that he wasn't anywhere near as far away as you claim.
Omg... show me the vid please.
Originally posted by Bro SMASH
Vid of what? If you happen to be looking at DBZ Kai at the moment, just look at the 36th episode.
There's no need for me to see anything because again, goku didn't remain in one spot the entire time he fought frieza... they fought around that entire planet... hell, they were even busting through nameks buildings, etc... etc, and they weren't even by any namek villages during the beginning of the fight.
Originally posted by Bro SMASH
Actually, it does matter. Remember, you claimed it was a lightspeed feat and as it seems, you're unable to prove it.
Naah, I provided my evidence on the distance. You are on the only one disputing what was said. He was on the other side of the planet, it can't get any simpler than that.
Originally posted by Bro SMASH
Except he wasn't on the "opposite" side, like you said before. The event itself proved that.
After healing goku flies in the air and looks around. There is NOTHING in site so you stating that the ship was close is irrelevant and proven wrong. THEN he decides to feel out their power levels and he sense exactly where they were. He then flies off.
If goku was as close as you say he was, then goku would have flet the shockwaves from the nukes that was going off from friezas finger blast.
He wasn't close at all so again, I don't even know why you are saying that.
Originally posted by carver9
After healing goku flies in the air and looks around. There is NOTHING in site so you stating that the ship was close is irrelevant and proven wrong. THEN he decides to feel out their power levels and he sense exactly where they were. He then flies off.If goku was as close as you say he was, then goku would have flet the shockwaves from the nukes that was going off from friezas finger blast.
He wasn't close at all so again, I don't even know why you are saying that.
I never said he was close enough to SEE them but he also wasn't anywhere NEAR as far as you say he was. Proof of this is the fact that Vegeta saw the Eternal Dragon from inside the ship. If he was on the opposite side of the planet, then there's no way he would have seen the dragon, especially if the planet was twice the size of Earth.
Originally posted by carver9
Its solar energy emitted from Tiens body... Goku performed numerous of tactics before it touched him. Solar energy is much faster than light and Goku outpaced this energy. That is a FAR faster than light speed feat... now show me Superman doing this. Show me Superman out racing anything similar to solar energy, especially during combat and again, remember, goku did this at his slowest of speeds that he has ever had his entire career.Show me Superman doing anything similar to what Roshi and Krillin did in less than 1/5 of a second... especially during a combat scenerio.
Solar energy is light...
I can show you superman traversing galaxies in a paragraph...
I can also show you him oneshotting zoom...
All of these things are faster than anything Goku or any other DBZ character has done speed wise.
Then show me Goku at his fastest and I will show you something better from Superman or the Flash speed wise.
I can show you Flash reacting in a nanosecond... which is one billionth of a second. I could probably dig up something with superman doing the same, and darkseid doing even better.
Originally posted by carver9
Thanos is slower and his overall power output isnt on Goku's level. The only problem would be Thanos durability but in the end he would fall. We made a Thanos vs Frieza battle in the comic book vs forum and everyone admitted that Frieza was more powerful but the only reason some gave Thanos the edge was due to his durability.Off of frieza alone, Frieza speed would be over whelming to Thanos along with Frieza out put of power and Goku is>>>>Frieza.
IMO a super saiyan would over whelm Thanos, especially with the speed that Goku has along with his power output. People tend to forget that frieza at his weakest (.025% of his power) was able to shed planet vegeta with one finger. Frieza at 100% of his power could generate FAR more power than his previous incarnations. A Super Saiyan MATCHED this frieza and surpassed him.
Thanos doesnt have ONE SHOWING regarding his power output to suggest that he couldnt generate a FRACTION of what frieza is capable of dishing out, let alone a Super Saiyan.
Then lets think about this... Frieza tanked 3 planet destroying attacks during his fight against Goku. Let me name them for ya.
1... during Goku fight against Vegeta, Vegeta shot his gallack gun at Goku that was stated as having enough power to shed that planet. Goku COUNTERED that same blast with his kamehameha wave kayoken times 3. Goku during his fight with Frieza shot a blast at least 15 times more powerful than the blast he used against Vegeta... he shot the kamehameha wave kayoken times 20 at frieza and frieza TANKED the blast. Lets not forget that the Kayoken x3 blast had enough power to shed earth, imagine what the kayoken x 20 was capable of.
2. Goku hit Frieza with the spirit bomb... the spirit bomb was stated as having enough power to shed namek (even though the only purpose of the spirit bomb is to destroy evil, thats the reason why planet namek didnt explode) and again, Frieza tanked it (even though he was weakened after the blast). Then we have Frieza outright being in the heart of nameks explosion WHILE WEAKENED and still living. This isnt even including the beat down he received at the hands of a super saiyan along with the other blasts that he was hit by.
In that fight, Goku proved that he was above Friezas durability and again, this is super saiyan Goku. Thanos would have to generate a lot of power to bring Goku down, especially a super saiyan 3 and I cant see him doing this, let alone even seeing Goku or hitting Goku with an attack.
Then we have this instance...
http://s1143.photobucket.com/albums/n638/carver9/?action=view¤t=roshiandkrillinspeed.jpg
http://s1143.photobucket.com/albums/n638/carver9/?action=view¤t=roshiandkrillspeedpart3.jpg
This is the bullet feat...
http://s1143.photobucket.com/albums/n638/carver9/?action=view¤t=roshispeed.jpg
Remember, all of the above happened in 1/5th of a second... and by the end of dragonball, Roshi couldnt even perceive Goku because Goku was MUCH faster and lets not forget, Roshi is a bullet timer... he has caught machine gun bullet from a aug without too much trouble and he still couldnt perceive Goku, a much larger target and again, lets not forget, Roshi has almost nanoseconds feats. He did NUMEROUS of things in less than 1/5 of a second, not a second but less than that... nano seconds.
http://s1143.photobucket.com/albums/n638/carver9/?action=view¤t=gokusspeed.jpg
Here is Roshi slapping bullets out of the air... a true bullet timer and he was STILL unable to see Goku. Bullets are roughly around 1200 mps (from a machine gun) and Roshi caught MULTIPLE bullets easily so for one, we know Roshi reflexes is much faster than those bullets and for 2 we know that Goku as a child is multiples of times faster than roshi since Roshi was unable to even see him (a much larger target than those bullets) so Goku was much faster than 3000 mps during THAT instance (hell, I think roshi was faster than 3000 mps how easily he caught those bullets). Right after that fight Goku was trained by popo to be as fast as lightning and his reflexes was MUCH slower than popos. So the gap in speed by the end of DragonBall was ENORMOUS.
With that said... Goku speed by the Frieza saga was also insane since Roshi and Krillin along with DB Goku was nothing but flies to him.
So again, Goku is faster, more powerful, a better fighter, and as a super saiyan he is possibly stronger than Thanos going by punching feats.
Show me a combat feat similar to this from Supes then you might have a argument. 1/5 of a second buddy.
Originally posted by carver9
Show me a combat feat similar to this from Supes then you might have a argument. 1/5 of a second buddy.
Sure. I'll show you a couple.
Superman:
"A nanosecond (ns) is one billionth of a second (10-9 s). One nanosecond is to one second as one second is to 31.7 years."
Reacts and moves and thinks at nanosecond speeds:
http://img511.imageshack.us/i/nanoseconduf2.jpg/
http://img262.imageshack.us/i/cityta4.jpg/
http://img117.imageshack.us/i/rebuildstaue7.jpg/
To show how he uses it:
http://img204.imageshack.us/i/69520627tb6.jpg/ (blitzing kryptonians)
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/Superman/Supermanv2172pg13.jpg
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff144/KMCSuperman/Supermanvol2153-11.jpg
Now for Flash:
"A picosecond is 10−12 of a second. That is one trillionth, or one millionth of one millionth of a second, or 0.000 000 000 001 seconds. A picosecond is to one second as one second is to 31,700 years."
Flash defeats Professor Zoom in a picto second almost effortlessly:
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/profzomgem.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/profzomgem2.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/profzomgem4.jpg
Here's Darkseid just because I mentioned him; a big rocky DC brick right?:
"A microsecond is an SI unit of time equal to one millionth (10-6) of a second."
He thinks in microseconds casually:
Counteracts superman's blitz, who moves and reacts at nanosecond speeds:
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/003-SupermanBatman013Rembrandt-DCP.jpg
Reacts faster than Superman (who thinks and reacts at nanosecond time) can see or react to casually:
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Supermanvol2003p08.jpg
Flash, Superman, and even Darkseid are reacting and/or thinking at 1/1,000,000,000,000, 1/ 1,000,000,000, and 1/ 1,000,000 of a second each.
Flash, Superman or Darkseid would be perceiving years, centuries, or sometimes even millenniums pass before any of the aforementioned DBZ characters were thinking to clench their fists.
So you can see why 1/5, 1/10, 1/100, or even 1/1000 of a second is nothing to any of these characters. Prove to me that DBZ characters are even close to this level of speed. Combat, travel, reaction, or otherwise.
Sry for the late reply btw.
