Skaar vs Firelord

Originally posted by quanchi112
He beat him by outsmarting him which has no bearing on his battle with Firelord here. He's still a vicious child and Firelord has the power cosmic and experience on him. Firelord wins.

Correction, he did outsmart him, but in no way was Cain overpowering him the way that Cain would overpower Kril. Firelord fights like a pansy, when he goes up against characters that fight like Skaar. For example when Morg punked him. Skaar would be all over him, and the Old Power is a force in the universe as well.

Originally posted by Stoic
Correction, he did outsmart him, but in no way was Cain overpowering him the way that Cain would overpower Kril. Firelord fights like a pansy, when he goes up against characters that fight like Skaar. For example when Morg punked him. Skaar would be all over him, and the Old Power is a force in the universe as well.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Firelord has went rounds with Thor who'd walk the dog on Skaar. Morg would also beat Skaar and outsmarting a dumb juggs isn't helping him against firelord.

You're so wrong, I meant that Morg's style of combat is Kril's weak spot. Firelord is more of an energy wielder than a brawler, while Skaar would waste no time in cutting his head off. Besides Thor beat Firelord, would Thor beat Skaar who happens to be a little kid? Yes he would, but Skaar would get his licks in, he'd likely do better against Thor than Firelord did.

Skaar physically beat Cain with sheer might by punching him into outer space, Firelord would nevr be able to do that, and would be crushed in the process. Like I said Skaar is Kril's physical superior, possesses the Old Power which is a universal force on its own, and he is immune to fire. Firelord has flight and the power cosmic which he uses to hurl fire. Let's remove the fire because it won't hurt Skaar, he was born in fire.

Let's break it down.

Strength

Skaar vs Firelord = Skaar is stronger, and hits harder.

Power

Firelord vs Skaar = Firelord has the Power Cosmic which he uses to burn things up. This as I said above would have little effect on Skaar, as he is immune to fire. Skaar has the Old Power coupled with true class 100 stats which includes a high durability threshold, and would most certainly hurt Firelord if he hit him with 100 trillion tons of force.

Speed

Firelord vs Skaar = Firelord has flight and is faster than Skaar on these terms, but on the ground while not flying he is not a speedster like the Flash, Superman, Gladiator, Quick Silver, or any other number of characters. If he makes physical contact with Skaar, and it turned into a brawl, Skaar would rip him.

Skaar wins in all of the areas that matter, the only thing that Kril would be able to do is engage Skaar on a H2H basis, and he would lose. The differance between Skaar and Thor, is that Thor would use Mjnolnir to deflect Kril's blasts, while they would have little to no effect on Skaar.

Power Cosmic > Old Power

Firelord takes this for a large majority.

Firelord

Skaar, this really isn't about "Power Cosmic vs Old Power" (and they are both equally fundamental forces within the universe, it seems) but about a character whose attacks the opponent is immune to.

I can't see Firelord winning, but I can see Skaar ripping him to shreds with OP.

If Firelord doesnt job and actually utilizes his powerset (his matter/energy manipulating powers in particular...which all of Galactus's heralds possess) then Skaar loses handedly...

Originally posted by Stoic
You're so wrong, I meant that Morg's style of combat is Kril's weak spot. Firelord is more of an energy wielder than a brawler, while Skaar would waste no time in cutting his head off. Besides Thor beat Firelord, would Thor beat Skaar who happens to be a little kid? Yes he would, but Skaar would get his licks in, he'd likely do better against Thor than Firelord did.

Skaar physically beat Cain with sheer might by punching him into outer space, Firelord would nevr be able to do that, and would be crushed in the process. Like I said Skaar is Kril's physical superior, possesses the Old Power which is a universal force on its own, and he is immune to fire. Firelord has flight and the power cosmic which he uses to hurl fire. Let's remove the fire because it won't hurt Skaar, he was born in fire.

Let's break it down.

[b]Strength

Skaar vs Firelord = Skaar is stronger, and hits harder.

Power

Firelord vs Skaar = Firelord has the Power Cosmic which he uses to burn things up. This as I said above would have little effect on Skaar, as he is immune to fire. Skaar has the Old Power coupled with true class 100 stats which includes a high durability threshold, and would most certainly hurt Firelord if he hit him with 100 trillion tons of force.

Speed

Firelord vs Skaar = Firelord has flight and is faster than Skaar on these terms, but on the ground while not flying he is not a speedster like the Flash, Superman, Gladiator, Quick Silver, or any other number of characters. If he makes physical contact with Skaar, and it turned into a brawl, Skaar would rip him.

Skaar wins in all of the areas that matter, the only thing that Kril would be able to do is engage Skaar on a H2H basis, and he would lose. The differance between Skaar and Thor, is that Thor would use Mjnolnir to deflect Kril's blasts, while they would have little to no effect on Skaar. [/B]

Skaar outsmarted him which isn't the same thing as just hauling up and knocking him into orbit. You really didn't grasp the comic did you ?

Prove he's stronger.

Power cosmic does not translate into plain old fire. LOL.

You really have no clue about Firelord and more or less Skaar for that matter. Firelord has more experience, is faster, is more durable, and has the power cosmic which is far greater than old power.

Originally posted by Stoic
100 trillion tons of force.

You have no idea what your talking about do you?

he thinks throwing a large number is superior then taking punches from some one that can devastate the planet...

i dont think he realizes that high 100+ tonner strength is still just high 100+ tonner strength.

all that means is skaar is in the high herald strength tier.

basically his feat just solidifies his placement without argument.

Originally posted by jalek moye
The 100 trillion ton thing is being thrown around way too much. He only got that high from absorbing Worldbreaker hulk's footsteps. which isn't a normal occurance at all.

All the other times prior to that he was never anywher enear that, not even when he tried to kill She Rulk an issue or two before hand.

WB Hulk caused so much sesmic activity that Skaar was able to redirect it into hmself and use it to strike. Which is why all the punches after that one were much less powerful.

Guys you realize being "immune" to fire means nothing to Firelord right?

Firelord's "fire" isn't' really fire. It's a product of Galactus' Power Cosmic. You can't extinguish it with water, it doesn't require oxygen to "burn". It's not "fire".

Skaar being immune to fire won't help him vs Firelord's blasts. Not only is Firelord not "fire" he's the humanoid equivalent of a small star. He can manipulate heat, light, gravity, and the entire range of energy in the electromagnetic spectrum.

Also check the Firelord respect thread. Firelord has handled Thor way way better than the Silver Surfer has. He's casually swatted away Mjolnir as if it were a toy.

Skaar is gonna get hurt bad.

Originally posted by zopzop
Guys you realize being "immune" to fire means nothing to Firelord right?

Firelord's "fire" isn't' really fire. It's a product of Galactus' Power Cosmic. You can't extinguish it with water, it doesn't require oxygen to "burn". It's not "fire".

Skaar being immune to fire won't help him vs Firelord's blasts. Not only is Firelord not "fire" he's the humanoid equivalent of a small star. He can manipulate heat, light, gravity, and the entire range of energy in the electromagnetic spectrum.

Also check the Firelord respect thread. Firelord has handled Thor way way better than the Silver Surfer has. He's casually swatted away Mjolnir as if it were a toy.

Skaar is gonna get hurt bad.

Originally posted by SuperiorTech

WIN!!!

Originally posted by zopzop
Guys you realize being "immune" to fire means nothing to Firelord right?

Firelord's "fire" isn't' really fire. It's a product of Galactus' Power Cosmic. You can't extinguish it with water, it doesn't require oxygen to "burn". It's not "fire".

Skaar being immune to fire won't help him vs Firelord's blasts. Not only is Firelord not "fire" he's the humanoid equivalent of a small star. He can manipulate heat, light, gravity, and the entire range of energy in the electromagnetic spectrum.

Also check the Firelord respect thread. Firelord has handled Thor way way better than the Silver Surfer has. He's casually swatted away Mjolnir as if it were a toy.

Skaar is gonna get hurt bad.

mmm

If firelord fights like not an idiot he should win.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You need to see Firelord match up with Thor then. I mean Skaar was obviously nowhere near Juggs in terms of power that much was painfully evident.

Skaar outsmarted him which isn't the same thing as just hauling up and knocking him into orbit. You really didn't grasp the comic did you ?

Prove he's stronger.

Power cosmic does not translate into plain old fire. LOL.

You really have no clue about Firelord and more or less Skaar for that matter. Firelord has more experience, is faster, is more durable, and has the power cosmic which is far greater than old power.

Prove that the Power Cosmic is greater than the Old Power. Galactus took one sip of it, and would have slept for thousands of years this knowledge alone should allow you to realize that the Old Power is a universal force. Prove that Skar would be affected by Firelord's blasts before Skaar could retaliate in kind. Firelord is not a speedster, if he went toe to toe with Skaar he would lose. Marvel handbooks stated that Firelord could press a maximum weight of 70 tons. Skaar unamped was stated to be able to press 90, but when he uses the Old Power to amp he becomes a true class 100. Is that proof enough for you? Probably not, but the figures are all there, and they clearly state that Skaar is stronger, and he's just a kid to boot.

How long did it take Thor to break through Firelord's defenses and have him on the ropes in their fight? Not too long. How many times has the Surfer jobbed to those less than he is? Respect threads are just that, they only highlight the characters best moments and ignore their worst. Using them as a means to debate a point is useless because they only tell half the truth.

Originally posted by jalek moye
All the other times prior to that he was never anywher enear that, not even when he tried to kill She Rulk an issue or two before hand.

WB Hulk caused so much sesmic activity that Skaar was able to redirect it into hmself and use it to strike. Which is why all the punches after that one were much less powerful.

And yet he was able to move while harnessing that much force, let alone throw a punch. Skaar was clearly weighed down by the force in question. What does this say about his strength level? Betty isn't exactly a weakling in her Hulk form either.

Not saying hes weak but its quite clear that his old power ampring was clearly stronger form absorbing hulks footsteps. Which it even says he was absorbing in the comic

Originally posted by Stoic
Prove that the Power Cosmic is greater than the Old Power.

Surfer pwnd Skaar and stripped him of the Old Power.
Galactus pwnd the whole freeakin Old Power planet.

Originally posted by Stoic
Galactus took one sip of it, and would have slept for thousands of years this knowledge alone should allow you to realize that the Old Power is a universal force.

It's like saying cocaine is more powerful than a nuke because a scientist who worked on the Manhattan project got addicted to it.

Galactus liking the taste of the Old Power had zero relevance about how powerful the Old Power is.

Originally posted by Stoic
Prove that Skar would be affected by Firelord's blasts before Skaar could retaliate in kind. Firelord is not a speedster, if he went toe to toe with Skaar he would lose.

Firelord can fly and can just blast Skaar before he can even get close enough to unleash anything.

Also, FYI, 100 trillion tons is nothing compared to the Planet busting power of the Galactus heralds (w/c even the weakest herald has demonstrated).

Originally posted by Stoic
Marvel handbooks stated that Firelord could press a maximum weight of 70 tons. Skaar unamped was stated to be able to press 90, but when he uses the Old Power to amp he becomes a true class 100. Is that proof enough for you? Probably not, but the figures are all there, and they clearly state that Skaar is stronger, and he's just a kid to boot.

We don't go by MU handbooks to determine power levels. And the PC has been shown to amp the strength of their users just as much as the OP has.

Skaar being a kid really has no relevance to this debate.

Originally posted by Stoic
How long did it take Thor to break through Firelord's defenses and have him on the ropes in their fight? Not too long. How many times has the Surfer jobbed to those less than he is? Respect threads are just that, they only highlight the characters best moments and ignore their worst. Using them as a means to debate a point is useless because they only tell half the truth.

Respect threads show what characters are capable of. Firelord has multiple feats that place him easily at herald level. Many of it has to do with him taking it to high heralds like Surfer or Thor. The only thing Skaar has is his 100 trillion ton feat, w/c IMO falls short of the mid-top end feats of the high heralds that Firelord has taken on.