Skaar vs Firelord

Originally posted by Stoic
Prove that the Power Cosmic is greater than the Old Power. Galactus took one sip of it, and would have slept for thousands of years this knowledge alone should allow you to realize that the Old Power is a universal force. Prove that Skar would be affected by Firelord's blasts before Skaar could retaliate in kind. Firelord is not a speedster, if he went toe to toe with Skaar he would lose. Marvel handbooks stated that Firelord could press a maximum weight of 70 tons. Skaar unamped was stated to be able to press 90, but when he uses the Old Power to amp he becomes a true class 100. Is that proof enough for you? Probably not, but the figures are all there, and they clearly state that Skaar is stronger, and he's just a kid to boot.

How long did it take Thor to break through Firelord's defenses and have him on the ropes in their fight? Not too long. How many times has the Surfer jobbed to those less than he is? Respect threads are just that, they only highlight the characters best moments and ignore their worst. Using them as a means to debate a point is useless because they only tell half the truth.

I don't have to prove that we've seen far less affect Skaar and we saw how weak he was in comparison to Juggs. He had to outsmart him which showed how less powerful he is against a heavy hitter such as Juggs.

Surfer also pwned Skaar like nothing in combat. Pc is far greater than the old power you'd have to be slow to think otherwise. Galactus was corrupted by the old power but he annihilated any in his way as would the Surfer.

Firelord has stalemated Thor before who is more powerful than Skaar by a mile, a better warrior, more experience, and in the hundred class.

You make no sense Skaar was not in the same league as the Surfer and neither was he against Juggs. He's just not up to par yet. You can't ignore respect threads either you really don't have a clue about Firelord and thought his fire was like normal fire. Getover your Hulk faimly lust this guy loses.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You can't ignore respect threads either you really don't have a clue about Firelord and thought his fire was like normal fire.

I was thinking this as well. A LOT of ppl seems to have forgetten that Firelord's flame really isn't normal fire but cosmic flame (and thus would affect Skaar).

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
I was thinking this as well. A LOT of ppl seems to have forgetten that Firelord's flame really isn't normal fire but cosmic flame (and thus would affect Skaar).

With the old power Skaar is up their with Hulk and Juggs. I say 6/10 for Skaar.

Firelord is not the best he use to be.

Originally posted by Silent Guardian
With the old power Skaar is up their with Hulk and Juggs. I say 6/10 for Skaar.

Firelord is not the best he use to be.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I don't see him being up there with either and with Juggs it was clear he had no chance unless he can outsmart him. In a forum you can't trick the guy into being your friend and then beating him.

What has Firelord done since Annihilation? Has he done anything recently?

If Skaar uses the Old Power, he can boost his strength to levels so high, that he can break through the Juggernaut's armor. He sent Cain flying into the atmosphere, something that not even his father has accomplished.

And he broke that Hulk Buster armor that the Hulk never busted before.

I think the surprise attack gets overplayed. His hit was really good.

His durability can also be increased to levels so high that only substances such as Titanium, Vibranium or Adamantium can penetrate his skin. I think he could endure the cosmic flame blasts for a little bit amped by the old power

As well as boosting most of his physical attributes to incredible levels, he can use the Old Power to manipulate the Earth (as long as he's touching the ground). Look what his brother did to Galactus. In my mind Old Power is up there with the power cosmic. Didn't Hiro Kala threaten to destroy earth, so he is around planet busting level. Therefore, potentially Skaar has it in him too.[

Originally posted by Silent Guardian
What has Firelord done since Annihilation? Has he done anything recently?

If Skaar uses the Old Power, he can boost his strength to levels so high, that he can break through the Juggernaut's armor. He sent Cain flying into the atmosphere, something that not even his father has accomplished.

And he broke that Hulk Buster armor that the Hulk never busted before.

I think the surprise attack gets overplayed. His hit was really good.

His durability can also be increased to levels so high that only substances such as Titanium, Vibranium or Adamantium can penetrate his skin. I think he could endure the cosmic flame blasts for a little bit amped by the old power

As well as boosting most of his physical attributes to incredible levels, he can use the Old Power to manipulate the Earth (as long as he's touching the ground). Look what his brother did to Galactus. In my mind Old Power is up there with the power cosmic. Didn't Hiro Kala threaten to destroy earth, so he is around planet busting level. Therefore, potentially Skaar has it in him too.[

He tricked Juggs to keep his guard down and then when he didn't expect it launched him. It's like arguing WW Hulk beats strange based on him tricking him to turn tangible so he can break his hands. This trickery doesn't fly in the forums.

His brother poisoned him he didn't defeat him in battle. Surfer also schooled skaar quite easily and skaar tricked him too since he's a nice guy and all. Skaar isn't tricking firelord so he loses.

i dont see how Hiro Kala has any bearing in this thread...

http://dailypop.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/hirokala_detail.jpg

Originally posted by quanchi112
What does it matter what he's done since ? we saw when he did prior to and during we don't need to have current feats to judge these matches on alone while ignoring the past bazillion.

He tricked Juggs to keep his guard down and then when he didn't expect it launched him. It's like arguing WW Hulk beats strange based on him tricking him to turn tangible so he can break his hands. This trickery doesn't fly in the forums.

His brother poisoned him he didn't defeat him in battle. Surfer also schooled skaar quite easily and skaar tricked him too since he's a nice guy and all. Skaar isn't tricking firelord so he loses.

I don't know Firelord was never known as the smart Herald.

Didn't Spider-Man trick him in their throw down issue? I don't recall it perfectly. Obviously I'm not going using that fight as an example of Fire Lord's abilities, but I'm pretty sure Spider-Man punked him before he laid the smack down on him.

And that Shi'ar guy tricked him into fighting the X-men. Its safe to say Firelord doesn't have Juggy's street smarts.

Skaar maybe young but he is pretty clever

Originally posted by Silent Guardian
What has Firelord done since Annihilation? Has he done anything recently?

If Skaar uses the Old Power, he can boost his strength to levels so high, that he can break through the Juggernaut's armor. He sent Cain flying into the atmosphere, something that not even his father has accomplished.

And he broke that Hulk Buster armor that the Hulk never busted before.

I think the surprise attack gets overplayed. His hit was really good.

His durability can also be increased to levels so high that only substances such as Titanium, Vibranium or Adamantium can penetrate his skin. I think he could endure the cosmic flame blasts for a little bit amped by the old power

As well as boosting most of his physical attributes to incredible levels, he can use the Old Power to manipulate the Earth (as long as he's touching the ground). Look what his brother did to Galactus. In my mind Old Power is up there with the power cosmic. Didn't Hiro Kala threaten to destroy earth, so he is around planet busting level. Therefore, potentially Skaar has it in him too.[

He only broke Banner's armor because it absorbed gamma and he was usning old power. Not because he was stronger then hulk. Unless there is a more recent example.

Also plenty of peopel have broken Juggs armor, and seeing as Cain was fallign when he got punched it's no wher enear as good as just flat out uppercutting him in the fight.

Originally posted by Silent Guardian
I don't know Firelord was never known as the smart Herald.

Didn't Spider-Man trick him in their throw down issue? I don't recall it perfectly. Obviously I'm not going using that fight as an example of Fire Lord's abilities, but I'm pretty sure Spider-Man punked him before he laid the smack down on him.

And that Shi'ar guy tricked him into fighting the X-men. Its safe to say Firelord doesn't have Juggy's street smarts.

Skaar maybe young but he is pretty clever

Wow. With all due respect, is there anything relevant in this post of yours that would actually have any bearing on the outcome of this fight? Everything you posted above is completely irrelevant. 🙁

Originally posted by Silent Guardian
I don't know Firelord was never known as the smart Herald.

Didn't Spider-Man trick him in their throw down issue? I don't recall it perfectly. Obviously I'm not going using that fight as an example of Fire Lord's abilities, but I'm pretty sure Spider-Man punked him before he laid the smack down on him.

And that Shi'ar guy tricked him into fighting the X-men. Its safe to say Firelord doesn't have Juggy's street smarts.

Skaar maybe young but he is pretty clever

I dunno that gets ignored on here but I never actually read it.

People can get tricked in comics but in a vs. thread he won't drop his guard and start having a heart to heart with Firelord like he did against Juggs is my point.

To use the old power he has to catch him on the ground, right ?

Originally posted by quanchi112

To use the old power he has to catch him on the ground, right ?

correct

Originally posted by Silent Guardian
correct

Originally posted by quanchi112
Firelord usually doesn't stay on the ground.

Unless he's fighting a grounded opponent, am I correct? When he fought Drax on the ground was he zipping around like Tinker Bell? When he fought Spiderman and was KO'd was he flying around? You keep talking in a forum setting this and that would not happen, while trying to say that you will not ignore the personality of the characters in question, yet you go on to ignore them all the same.

So let me get this straight, if Juggernaut is falling towards you this somehow makes him vulnerable? If this is the case, I guess if he fell from orbit it would kill him right? Downplaying Skaar's punching power is pretty devious, and has the taint of what people call an act of trolling.

For you to state that I favor the Hulk may be a true statement Quanchi, but I know when to say when the Hulk or a Hulk would lose. You on the other hand believe that Thanos would beat anyone, and I have never seen you admit that anyone under Galactus could beat him. When Morg was taking it to him, and nearly killed him, you may have even developed acute blindness, and somehow missed the panel showing that had Thanos not grabbed a weapon, that Morg would have killed him. Then again the pot has called the kettle black in the past.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Wow. With all due respect, is there anything relevant in this post of yours that would actually have any bearing on the outcome of this fight? Everything you posted above is completely irrelevant. 🙁

Just because someone states that Firelord would hurt Skaar with his cosmic flame does not make it a fact. The Power Cosmic is not magic, it's science, and therefore affects the fictional Marvel Universe differently than a blast of magical hellfire from the Ghost Rider would. Skaar would be just fine, because although the Power Cosmic is powerful, it is still fundamentally within the realms of physical science. I hope this clears thing up a bit so that people can stop using it as some form of a trump device. Besides who said that while in Old Power form that Firelord would ever get the chance to hurt Skaar?

Originally posted by Stoic
Unless he's fighting a grounded opponent, am I correct? When he fought Drax on the ground was he zipping around like Tinker Bell? When he fought Spiderman and was KO'd was he flying around? You keep talking in a forum setting this and that would not happen, while trying to say that you will not ignore the personality of the characters in question, yet you go on to ignore them all the same.

So let me get this straight, if Juggernaut is falling towards you this somehow makes him vulnerable? If this is the case, I guess if he fell from orbit it would kill him right? Downplaying Skaar's punching power is pretty devious, and has the taint of what people call an act of trolling.

For you to state that I favor the Hulk may be a true statement Quanchi, but I know when to say when the Hulk or a Hulk would lose. You on the other hand believe that Thanos would beat anyone, and I have never seen you admit that anyone under Galactus could beat him. When Morg was taking it to him, and nearly killed him, you may have even developed acute blindness, and somehow missed the panel showing that had Thanos not grabbed a weapon, that Morg would have killed him. Then again the pot has called the kettle black in the past.

Just because someone states that Firelord would hurt Skaar with his cosmic flame does not make it a fact. The Power Cosmic is not magic, it's science, and therefore affects the fictional Marvel Universe differently than a blast of magical hellfire from the Ghost Rider would. Skaar would be just fine, because although the Power Cosmic is powerful, it is still fundamentally within the realms of physical science. I hope this clears thing up a bit so that people can stop using it as some form of a trump device. Besides who said that while in Old Power form that Firelord would ever get the chance to hurt Skaar?

He talked to juggs and got him to lower his guard and then tricked him. Did you miss that part ? Do you think he will become friends with firelord and then hit him when he turns around....seriously ?

Speculation and Thanos did grab a weapon and easily subdued Morg with one blast.

You have no grasp of the power cosmic and act like it's real or something. Someone already posted a scan where they state it's not like regular fire yet you ignore it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He flies as well not saying he won't ever be on the ground but the guy is very fast and flies around a lot too.

He talked to juggs and got him to lower his guard and then tricked him. Did you miss that part ? Do you think he will become friends with firelord and then hit him when he turns around....seriously ?

Speculation and Thanos did grab a weapon and easily subdued Morg with one blast.

You have no grasp of the power cosmic and act like it's real or something. Someone already posted a scan where they state it's not like regular fire yet you ignore it.

Thor stood and spoke to Cain as well before slamming Mjolnir full force into Cain's face, and this did nothing to Cain. Just the fact that Skaar punched Cain into orbit is a direct testament of his strength and durability. This however was downplayed as if it wasn't a feat at all. I never saw Colossus pull anything out of his ass like that. I'm sure your next statement will be about how Firelord's flames will hurt Skaar even though they aren't magical they are physical. So are you trying to say that Galactus is a magical being when time and agin it has been stated that he is a being of science? What's it gonna be?

He punched Cain into ordbit while he was fallign from the sky. While it's a feat but it's not like all of a sudden he's the strognest guy on earth because of that feat. When someone is in the air it's easier to knock them higher especially since the whoel point of that comic was showing how his unstoppability means nothing in the air. It wasn't him overpowering Cain at all, he didn't hurt cain just did another way of BFR.

Originally posted by jalek moye
He punched Cain into ordbit while he was fallign from the sky. While it's a feat but it's not like all of a sudden he's the strognest guy on earth because of that feat. When someone is in the air it's easier to knock them higher especially since the whoel point of that comic was showing how his unstoppability means nothing in the air. It wasn't him overpowering Cain at all, he didn't hurt cain just did another way of BFR.

Oh I know this, but I also know that Firelord would feel a punch like that, and as is his character would fly back pissed to all heavens and get into a slug it out, and be trounced. Power Cosmic flame huh? I guess everyone forgot about the time when Hercules took a full Nova blast from Nova another PC user and walked through it without even losing his hair. What about when Drax walked through it like it was nothing? Is it possible that a guy that is immune to heat could also walk right through it?

Originally posted by Stoic
I'm sure your next statement will be about how Firelord's flames will hurt Skaar even though they aren't magical they are physical. So are you trying to say that Galactus is a magical being when time and agin it has been stated that he is a being of science? What's it gonna be?

/facepalm

The flames aren't NORMAL flames. They are COSMIC flames. Able to affect those with immunities to fire. Read the freakin scan. Jeeeeeeeeeeez!