Elektra vs Cassandra Cain

Electra for the win, but not in any way a stomp.

Originally posted by SasuOna
A lark I see
Elektra isn't superhuman
and neither is Cass however her feats make everything Elektra has done pail in comparison.
If you want to use the Slade argument I can use the Bullseye argument ad nauseum the same way. Thats not proving anything.

However unless Elektra can do things like this shes not beating Cass

kicks through a brick wall
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p131/GaryouTensei/Batgirl%20Respect%20Thread/Batgirl002-15.jpg
kicks through 3 inch quartz
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...girl019-14.jpg
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...girl019-15.jpg
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...girl019-16.jpg
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...girl019-17.jpg

Durability feats
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...ead/page17.jpg
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...d/page19-1.jpg
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...d/page20-1.jpg
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...ead/page22.jpg

Beats the Brotherhood of Evil by herself
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...ad/page-18.jpg
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...ad/page-19.jpg
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...ad/page-20.jpg

Originally posted by 753
there's nothing in those scans elektra hasnt matched and elektra is indeed a metahumand as she has actual superpowers like mind possesion, TP, etc. this is like saying iron fist isn't superhuman.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Why bring up TP in a H/H fight?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Why bring up TP in a H/H fight?

Originally posted by Starscream M
h/h doesn't preclude the use of TP

If h/h "doesn't preclude the use of TP" then where is the line drawn?

How is offensive tp any different from energy blasts or magic or other things that are traditionally left out from h/h matches?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Yeah it does.

If h/h "doesn't preclude the use of TP" then where is the line drawn?

How is offensive tp any different from energy blasts or magic or other things that are traditionally left out from h/h matches?

but I would assume defensive tp (ie mindreading) would still be allowed

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Yeah it does.

If h/h "doesn't preclude the use of TP" then where is the line drawn?

How is offensive tp any different from energy blasts or magic or other things that are traditionally left out from h/h matches?

certainly no out defensive tp.

Becuase she not attacking with it. She simply using it to read her opponents mind. Based on your logic, we should preclude body reading as well. If your argueing for batgirl, thats not something you want to happen.........

Originally posted by Starscream M
no one said anything about offensive tp

but I would assume defensive tp (ie mindreading) would still be allowed

h2h means the fight in body against body, however that does not mean defensive abilities such as mind reading or body reading, or healing factor , or super strength ect. would be removed

Mind reading is in no way "defensive" if anything it's offensive... As it involves you looking into your opponents mind... Defensive protections are one thing which prevent people from invading your mind.. But reaching into someone else is all offensive

mind-reading isn't defensive tp, imo.

a purely h2h match would be that, though: h2h. no tp.

I don't think h2h his synonymous with no powers. Elektra's telepathy is just an ability she uses to augment her melee capabilities, I would consider it fair game unless no powers was specified by the OP.

Either way Elektra should take the majority.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I don't think h2h his synonymous with no powers. Elektra's telepathy is just an ability she uses to augment her melee capabilities, I would consider it fair game unless no powers was specified by the OP.

Either way Elektra should take the majority.

it usually is.

Originally posted by -Pr-
it usually is.

So if I said Hulk vs Thing h2h... you would think that means what? No healing / super strength / durability?

Yeah, I didn't think so.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
So if I said Hulk vs Thing h2h... you would think that means what? No healing / super strength / durability?

Yeah, I didn't think so.

they don't have other avenues of attack bar physical, so it's not the same thing.

the point stands. if elektra has passive, non offensive tp, then it's allowed.

Originally posted by -Pr-
they don't have other avenues of attack bar physical, so it's not the same thing.

the point stands. if elektra has passive, non offensive tp, then it's allowed.

That's pretty convoluted...

Generally speaking she can't mind rape / control anyone, so it is about as "passive" and "non offensive" as tp can get.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
That's pretty convoluted...

Generally speaking she can't mind rape / control anyone, so it is about as "passive" and "non offensive" as tp can get.

whether you think so or not, it's how it is.

as long as she isn't using it to read their minds, there should be no problem with it.

Originally posted by -Pr-
whether you think so or not, it's how it is.

as long as she isn't using it to read their minds, there should be no problem with it.

You should amend the rules to make that clear because it is contrary to what is actually in there...

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
You should amend the rules to make that clear because it is contrary to what is actually in there...

howso?

Originally posted by -Pr-
howso?

Particularity the Full Capacity rule. It isn't made clear anyway that the h2h qualifier is actually means that we are arbitrarily disabling some powers used to solely to augment h2h capabilities, while allowing other on a whim.