Elektra vs Cassandra Cain

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Particularity the Full Capacity rule. It isn't made clear anyway that the h2h qualifier is actually means that we are arbitrarily disabling some powers used to solely to augment h2h capabilities, while allowing other on a whim.

the full capacity rule doesn't apply, imo, nor are we being arbitrary. it's a consistent approach.

if her power involves her reading someone else's mind, then it's not allowed, full stop.

we've been doing it that way for years, and we had assumed everyone knew that. we thought it was common knowledge.

Originally posted by -Pr-
the full capacity rule doesn't apply, imo, nor are we being arbitrary. it's a consistent approach.

if her power involves her reading someone else's mind, then it's not allowed, full stop.

we've been doing it that way for years, and we had assumed everyone knew that. we thought it was common knowledge.

And how is reading someones mind outside of h2h? She isn't controlling them, or using tk, just getting extra data via tp. Can I arbitrarily decide that Batgirl's ability read body language and Wolverine's healing factor are against the spirit of h2h too, or do you need to be the one who decides off hand which powers do and do not constitute h2h?

Frankly I don't think it has been like this for years.

Originally posted by -Pr-
mind-reading isn't defensive tp, imo.

a purely h2h match would be that, though: h2h. no tp.

Any questions regarding rules can be done via PMs. Back to the topic at hand please.

Originally posted by Badabing
Pr, a mod, has made a decision regarding the rules. And I agree. H2H means fighting with skills, no other powers.

Any questions regarding rules can be done via PMs. Back to the topic at hand please.

Fine, but he has said some powers are allowed in h2h, which is what I am not clear on. It all seems counter intuitive, which power are and are not allowed..

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Fine, but he has said some powers are allowed in h2h, which is what I am not clear on. It all seems counter intuitive, which power are and are not allowed..

Originally posted by Omega Vision
It's really not that hard to figure out. If you have a power that in any way effects your opponent in a way that isn't purely physical in nature it's out.

Elektra' tp doesn't effect her opponent though, she isn't mind controlling them, just gleaming what they will do off the surface of their mind. It is like assuming that Midnighter's battle computer is disabled in hand to hand fights. I would say any power that doesn't exert a measurable force on the opponent is fair game in h2h.

How is Batgirls ability allowed but not elektra TP?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
That's pretty convoluted...

Generally speaking she can't mind rape / control anyone, so it is about as "passive" and "non offensive" as tp can get.

Don't make me dig up tp scans, mister.

😖hifty:

Guys, discuss the topic of the thread, please. the ruling has already been made.

Originally posted by Konton
Don't make me dig up tp scans, mister.

😖hifty:

They are my scans. 😛

But I said "generally" for a reason.

Honestly that BS, warn me if you want but you can't just make snap judgements on characters and simply expect everyone to fallow like drones.

How is elektra TP not allowed but Batgirls ability is?

What is the difference? both powers are learn skills, both do pretty much the same thing. Whats the rational for elektra ability being not allowed.

Then what of DD radar senses? or mister x? Are these now not allowed?

Well sticking to the topic with or without to I still see elektra winning...

Although I can see how powers like taskmaster and mr x can make yhe situation more sticky.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Honestly that BS, warn me if you want but you can't just make snap judgements on characters and simply expect everyone to fallow like drones.

How is elektra TP not allowed but Batgirls ability is?

What is the difference? both powers are learn skills, both do pretty much the same thing. Whats the rational for elektra ability being not allowed.

Then what of DD radar senses? or mister x? Are these now not allowed?

It is arbitrary and incredibly convoluted, but the ruling is in. Just go with it I guess..

Originally posted by -Pr-
Guys, discuss the topic of the thread, please. the ruling has already been made.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Honestly that BS, warn me if you want but you can't just make snap judgements on characters and simply expect everyone to fallow like drones.

How is elektra TP not allowed but Batgirls ability is?

What is the difference? both powers are learn skills, both do pretty much the same thing. Whats the rational for elektra ability being not allowed.

Then what of DD radar senses? or mister x? Are these now not allowed?

No snap judgments were made. At all.

and please, don't use examples that aren't relevant, like Daredevil.

Originally posted by 753
I accept that she can't midread. Just to clarify, I'd like a ruling on whether Batgirl's, Fantomex's and Cypher's bodylanguage reading are fair game in a h2h fight. What about Mr X's brand of movment predicting TP? Would that count?

if it's actual mind-reading, as in telepathy, then it's not allowed. if it's some sort of innate skill that they've perfected or are simply naturally gifted, then it's ok.

reading someone's mind to get an advantage is offensive tp, whether it's learned or not, and still constitutes a super-power.

^ I agree with you this time Pr.

Originally posted by -Pr-
If it's actual mind-reading, as in telepathy, then it's not allowed. if it's some sort of innate skill that they've perfected or are simply naturally gifted, then it's ok.

reading someone's mind to get an advantage is offensive tp, whether it's learned or not, and still constitutes a super-power.

I'm confused as to the distinction between "innate skill they've perfected" and the implied "advantage that was learned."

I agree that this argument is stupid and that it's fairly easy to distinguish what's fair game when saying h2h (and you're right, that's how it's been done on KMC forever), but I'm not grasping your rhetoric. Elektra's powers are a result of her complete anatomical control over her brain function and, going by her history and what has been said about it, every human is capable of doing this with the correct training. I would argue that training her brain in such a way that grants her abilities completely normal for a human in Marvel is no different than any other martial artist training other, more common, parts of their bodies for combat.

^ good point actually.

Originally posted by Konton
I'm confused as to the distinction between "innate skill they've perfected" and the implied "advantage that was learned."

I agree that this argument is stupid and that it's fairly easy to distinguish what's fair game when saying h2h (and you're right, that's how it's been done on KMC forever), but I'm not grasping your rhetoric. Elektra's powers are a result of her complete anatomical control over her brain function and, going by her history and what has been said about it, every human is capable of doing this with the correct training. I would argue that training her brain in such a way that grants her abilities completely normal for a human in Marvel is no different than any other martial artist training other, more common, parts of their bodies for combat.

it's been stated that any human in marvel could (potentially) learn the techniques she has?

Originally posted by -Pr-
it's been stated that any human in marvel could (potentially) learn the techniques she has?