Originally posted by shokosugiI've explained the circumstances for each instance.
quan - you just got owned 😉your boy Thanos isnt as powerful as you think 🙂
1--Thanos defeated the Runner through other means--when he didn't have these means he pwned the Fallen One quite easily with either a tk or shields whatever you want to believe.
2-Thanos feigned injury against Gamora who was hitting pressure points and trained by Thanos meaning she knew him intimately also which neither wally or zoom know and it still didn't phase him.
3--Warlock scan is a ghost transmuting him and him at his weakest. Thanos has been brought back and this tactic is no longer usable and oh yeah warlock's ghost did so after Thanos killed him in the first place.
4--Thor took advantage of Thanos laughing at their attacks and in a cluttered battlefield managed to knock him down and was still easily defeated. Thanos was laughing half the time and putting on a show he wasn't taking any of them seriously.
Add this to the fact warlock stated their only chance was surfer taking the ig and they were merely a distraction.
This is why I am a GREAT DEBATER. Unlike you I grasp what I read and actually read. 🙂
Ps. Nothing personal, kid.
You said a lot of things but that doesn't change the fact that Thanos got Pwned.
The scans prove Thanos is vulnerable to physical attacks, blitz and transmutation and that is the whole point!
Thanos goes down hard against Wally or Zoom!
Originally posted by quanchi112
I've explained the circumstances for each instance.1--Thanos defeated the Runner through other means--when he didn't have these means he pwned the Fallen One quite easily with either a tk or shields whatever you want to believe.
2-Thanos feigned injury against Gamora who was hitting pressure points and trained by Thanos meaning she knew him intimately also which neither wally or zoom know and it still didn't phase him.
3--Warlock scan is a ghost transmuting him and him at his weakest. Thanos has been brought back and this tactic is no longer usable and oh yeah warlock's ghost did so after Thanos killed him in the first place.
4--Thor took advantage of Thanos laughing at their attacks and in a cluttered battlefield managed to knock him down and was still easily defeated. Thanos was laughing half the time and putting on a show he wasn't taking any of them serious.
Add this to the fact warlock stated their only chance was surfer taking the ig and they were merely an illusion.
This is why I am a GREAT DEBATER. Unlike you I grasp what I read and actually read. 🙂
Ps. Nothing personal, kid.
Originally posted by shokosugiI explained the circumstances behind everything and most of your scans had Thanos before he triumphed over them anyways or showed they were never a threat.
You said a lot of things but that doesn't change the fact that Thanos got Pwned.Rofl!
Any more scans for to to tear apart ?
You see unlike you I debate and just dissected every scan like a skilled surgeon.
HAH! what you fail to understand is that NONE of that matters!!!
FACT 1: Thanos GOT OWNED
FACT 2: Thanos is vulnerable to blitz, physical attacks and transmutation
Anything you say is just an EXCUSE.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I explained the circumstances behind everything and most of your scans had Thanos before he triumphed over them anyways or showed they were never a threat.Any more scans for to to tear apart ?
You see unlike you I debate and just dissected every scan like a skilled surgeon.
Good work shoko, you prove you are the man on the boards. 😉
Anyways, this is becoming silly. I’m finding this goose chase and nonsense redundant. I’m not one to *force* someone to think something, but a lot of this is just dumb and shows ignorance of the character and even of KMC rules. So maybe I’ll have to drive my point in harder.
Originally posted by carver9Nothing but fact and going by rules pertaining to this thread. If you’re not going to contribute anything and continue to lowball Flash like you lowball Superman and Spider-Man please don’t bother.
I agree.. nothing but speculation.
Originally posted by carver9
That's why in the beginning I said surfer solos because flash and zoom has never been depicted as being "unhittable", no matter how much people dislike it.
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It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first millisecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels.
Now, tell me, when does Wolverine go around killing every hero with one hit and tanking everything while using his “godly” martial arts skills. You tried to argue Gorgon on WW’s level but Flash and Zoom can’t handle her? Insanity. We have to use logic in this match, especially because these two guys haven’t fought before in this setups according to the rules of the forum.
Originally posted by carver9
Even during a rage flash has been koed/tagged by wonder woman.
PIS = Plot Induced Stupidity
At times, for the sake of the plot, characters that are immensely more powerful than their opponent will "job" to carry on the plot of the story, even though the characters powers and history would clearly show that they are more than capable of destroying their opponent. For this reason we have a No PIS Rule. This rule prohibits the use of such instances of PIS from being used as evidence in debates.
Wait… here’s a showing of Wolverine for you:
How did you like that?
Originally posted by carver9While he was taking on an entire group of heroes. And he got out soon after, stop using low showings, they can’t even react to Zoom when he’s serious.
Kyle has also rapped chains around zoom. They are fast but again, they are not unhittable.
The "No PIS" Rule
PIS = Plot Induced Stupidity
At times, for the sake of the plot, characters that are immensely more powerful than their opponent will "job" to carry on the plot of the story, even though the characters powers and history would clearly show that they are more than capable of destroying their opponent. For this reason we have a No PIS Rule. This rule prohibits the use of such instances of PIS from being used as evidence in debates.
Originally posted by carver9
Everything that these people are saying about flash and zoom hasn't happened on panel. The only thing that you really need to continue asking them is "prove it or show a scan of this". They will never provide not one scan or they will add detail and caculations to the figures that was already stated on panel.
Has he done it on panel in canon, not really. But can he? Yes going by his showings. This is why PIS and CIS are off in this match and they are at their full potential.
You guys done making excuses for everything you don’t like yet. I notice that when I argue against or read arguments against Thanos and Surfer, it’s one excuse after another.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So C-Master you still have zero proof of them punching and KOing anyone of Thanos's level and punching at more than 1,000 shots per second?
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Again, the WRITER made it clear how fast he was going... JUST UNDER LIGHT SPEED. Sorry but your caculations don't in anyways trump the writer of the story, His word is canon... yours is not.
He traveled a distance of 70 miles carrying 1 person sometimes two, so let's say he carried 1.5 people each time. Which means he travelled 70 miles 354,667 times. (Half a million people). That makes 24,826,690 miles. He does that in .00001 MICROSECONDS, that is 10^(-11) seconds.
That means he was travelling 2,482,669,000,000,000,000 mps, or about 2.5 quintillion miles per second. That is approximately 13 trillion times the speed of light.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
I proved Surfer beats Flash/Zoom's best travelling feat. Next.
Not that it matters since it says nothing of his reactions at the start of the match. Keep digging.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210Funny how Surfer fans do that… all of the time. You shouldn’t contradict yourself. Let’s look up the definition shall we?
]And "cosmic" is of anything related to the universe by definition. Still doesn't allow me to manufacture feats for the Surfer that's never happened.
You said he hasn’t robbed kinetic energy, but energy in motion, the very definition of kinetic energy is energy in motion, this is sixth grade science where I come from.
And honestly, none of that matters anyways, if he’s a statue, he is a statue.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
SHOW me a scan of Flash being able to slow a person's reaction time or concede.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210How again did I manufacture anything? He explained the mechanic of the Infinite mass punch as he was using it. He goes past light to achieve it. He explained it and even said what he could do, and how many times he could do it. The fact that it is a one hit ko for the most part means he didn’t have to use it. It’s not up to me whether or not you like it, it’s up to the story.
Again, stop manufacturing feats that never happen. Logically it might be "sound" in your eyes but you need to prove that this can occur thru feats.
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It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first millisecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels.
I really don’t have time for this.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Surfer's abilities allow him to do basically anything but we DO NOT assume he can do a certain thing w/o him showing it on panel first.
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It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first millisecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
What is hard to understand here?
Originally posted by D_Dude1210Did you read the arc?
To punch a white martian who has never really been proven outside of Flash's own specultion (characterized by his "maybe"😉 to be as "tough as Superman".
Regardless I think destroying anti-montior’s shell will do. Or is *he* too high for Thanos now?
Great, CISless Wally can’t even hurt a Superman level character now, when will it end?
Originally posted by D_Dude1210 Your opinion. You DO know Current Thanos is heads above High Tier now right? Recently, he took a direct hit from someone (Lord Mar-Vell) that one-shot both the Surfer and Nova Prime and just shrugged it off like nothing.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210I don’t mind it at all. The writer also wrote the feat he did. You might not like it, but he did it. And to do it he’d have to be going at the speed shown.
The writer said "under light speed". You might not like it, but that's what he wrote.
If he were going under light speed he wouldn’t have rescued anybody. If he did the feat, he’d have to be going faster. Actions>Statements.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Looked at your scan. It's funny cuz you post something that DISPROVES your statement (that they can IMP a million times) since Power Girl barely even flinched from a million of Zoom's punches. Those punches don't look like infinite Mass to me.
What? You obviously don’t know anything about Zoom. Listen carefully son. Zoom doesn’t use Flash’s IMP, he hits really hard. I was proving his striking speed since you guys are trying to backpedal by sending me fishing. And it failed… again. Millions and billions are nothing to these kinds of characters going all out.
Zoom’s character has him fighting to strengthen heroes, not kill them. He’s mentioned that many times and I’ve shown it quite clearly when I had him show Diana being knocked across the globe. Let’s pay attention here. This is a:
No PIS
No CIS
No BS match.
Again:
Full Capacity
It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first millisecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels.
Meaning Zoom hit’s with Superman level (probably greater because he doesn’t really have a limit) punches, and Flash does about the same. The bottom line is can they react to this going all out at trillion times light speed? I think not.
Originally posted by Uriel005
No CIS wally is absurd. Speed Steal and a +trillion infinite mass punches. Sorry but CIS off Wally is just broken.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Fact1---No he didn't. Getting knocked down or attacked isn't getting owned.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Fact 2--Thanos can put up shields or react at his best. He can also lobotomize.
Originally posted by quanchi112People are ignoring context when it comes to Flash and Zoom though even though I’ve provided a bucketload of scans shwoing things that should be general knowledge.
Nah, what I say has to do with context which you don't seem to understand.
Originally posted by Stall_19
Honestly with PIS, CIS off, you'd be hard pressed to find anyone that could beat the speedsters. So I'd say the win easily.
I hope that would conclude the nonsense discussed throughout the thread, but of course it likely won’t. Which means I’ll be here again to dish out more of these. *Sigh*
Let’s keep these little things in mind. By comprehending them…
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The "No PIS" Rule
PIS = Plot Induced Stupidity
At times, for the sake of the plot, characters that are immensely more powerful than their opponent will "job" to carry on the plot of the story, even though the characters powers and history would clearly show that they are more than capable of destroying their opponent. For this reason we have a No PIS Rule. This rule prohibits the use of such instances of PIS from being used as evidence in debates.
Full Capacity
It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first millisecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels.
All that needs to be said really.
havnt read all pages and im ina super rush but cant surfer just
a) go intangible
b) great a forcefield
c) play with the gravity make so that its too much that speedsters are considerably slower
d) stop time, go back in time
c) no cis or pis he just create a black hole, heck Surfer can see the future
SS can also amp himself up and "steal" kinectic energy though i think this is more to do with slowing down your metabolism.
Like i said im in a rush, I apologise if its hard to understand or some statements "seem" wrong