Originally posted by Juk3n
Thor isnt skillfull enough *fanboys begin to stand up * WAIT!.. Thousands of years of experience of being an average brawler doesn't make you anything but an average brawler. And the Achilles powerset is rather beastly in melee combat situations, divine grace is uber.
baka
Ultimately, Thor. Achilles' Grace, however, would give Thor fits, but Thor can fight for days on end, and can tank brawling attacks like nobody's business. Achilles' will put up a good fight, however, and Thor would likely appreciate that -- he'd have someone else to play grab-ass with other than Herc...
Also, while Achilles is relatively unkillable, it is not yet determined how long he properly can battle (hours, certainly, but days? Weeks? Does he properly need rest, like Diana would at some point? Unknown, at this point...)
Thor: 6-7/10 [8-9/10 if it is determined that Achilles can't go on for days at a time, continuously), but it would take quite a while. Achilles' wins come from Thor underestimating him, or overestimating his own combat prowess against someone who has the ability to evade most H2H attacks, as well as many other attacks.
Originally posted by tideoftime
Ultimately, Thor. Achilles' Grace, however, would give Thor fits, but Thor can fight for days on end, and can tank brawling attacks like nobody's business. Achilles' will put up a good fight, however, and Thor would likely appreciate that -- he'd have someone else to play grab-ass with other than Herc...Also, while Achilles is relatively unkillable, it is not yet determined how long he properly can battle (hours, certainly, but days? Weeks? Does he properly need rest, like Diana would at some point? Unknown, at this point...)
Thor: 6-7/10 [8-9/10 if it is determined that Achilles can't go on for days at a time, continuously), but it would take quite a while. Achilles' wins come from Thor underestimating him, or overestimating his own combat prowess against someone who has the ability to evade most H2H attacks, as well as many other attacks.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
His more durable than Wonder Woman?
He's at least as durable as Wonder Woman, and can survive specific killing attacks that would kill her (such as recovering from being stabbed through the heart/chest-to-back, after being down just a moment).
Also, he was "Class 100"* before Geoforce, if I recall correctly, in an issue of WW where he tore that gi-normous serpent-creature-thingy in half; without his purpose/duty being clouded, he's clearly at least in the Donna Troy/Kory range of strength, and likely stronger. Whether he is properly in WW's, Thor's, SM's, et al, league is yet to be determined, but it wouldn't surprise me that in years to come he is demonstrated as being in their relative "class", strength-wise.
*(Rant: I *HATE* when people use the old Marvel scaling -- it's all but worthless outside of it's 80's origins, and incredibly inaccurate for most super-strong characters; hell, it was inaccurate for many instances of physical strength for characters even back then... Rant concluded...)
Originally posted by Prep-Man
From the fight with Geo-Force (who has become close to or even top tier) Achilles is very durable. Geo-Force is connected to earth now and is class 100.
I didn't read the fight with Geo-Force. All I remember is his fight with Diana and me not being impressed once she figured out his game. She outmaneuvered him, and almost choked him out.
He took a flying slam from Wonder Woman, but that hardly means he can stand up to a beating from Thor.
Geo Force is now Top Tier? He got an upgrade? I haven't been reading the Outsiders for like a year now.
I've seen absolutely no reason why Achilles could win this.
Originally posted by tideoftime
He's at least as durable as Wonder Woman, and can survive specific killing attacks that would kill her (such as recovering from being stabbed through the heart/chest-to-back, after being down just a moment).
Based on what? Thor also has an unconventional body that would allow him to survive attacks that would kill others.
idk about this, achillies is faster than wonder woman and can dodge thor all day while landing blows, his spear can also cut through any object, it easily cuts wonder woman.
achillies is also very durable he has wonder woman level durability
imo this is how the fight goes down
thor throws a punch,
achillies dodges and stabs thor through the brain.
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
idk about this, achillies is faster than wonder woman and can dodge thor all day while landing blows, his spear can also cut through any object, it easily cuts wonder woman.
achillies is also very durable he has wonder woman level durability
imo this is how the fight goes downthor throws a punch,
achillies dodges and stabs thor through the brain.