Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Based on what? Thor also has an unconventional body that would allow him to survive attacks that would kill others.
Uhhh... based on his demonstrated feats... and his battles with Wonder Woman (which were later explained, as well as hinted at in the ongoing narrative, that his abilities were compromised because of his mixed feelings concerning his purpose/Zeus' orders; once he became more "clear/certain", his abilities increased dramatically).
Also, I indicated that Thor takes the pretty clear majority in this (6-7/10, possibly more if it drags out for days, as it is not yet clear if Achilles requires rest the way, say, WW eventually would, whereas Thor can fight for days on end). Achilles can, however, eke out wins via Thor understimating him, as well as Thor having trouble with Achilles' Grace, as Thor doesn't have the maneuverability that Diana does, nor her specific finesse.
But anywho...
Originally posted by tideoftime
Uhhh... based on his demonstrated feats... and his battles with Wonder Woman (which were later explained, as well as hinted at in the ongoing narrative, that his abilities were compromised because of his mixed feelings concerning his purpose/Zeus' orders; once he became more "clear/certain", his abilities increased dramatically).
I saw absolutely nothing in his fight with Diana to prove his as durable as her. I don't remember this. Course, I stopped reading Wonder Woman right before and then again, right after the reboot.
Originally posted by tideoftime
Also, I indicated that Thor takes the pretty clear majority in this (6-7/10, possibly more if it drags out for days, as it is not yet clear if Achilles requires rest the way, say, WW eventually would, whereas Thor can fight for days on end). Achilles can, however, eke out wins via Thor understimating him, as well as Thor having trouble with Achilles' Grace, as Thor doesn't have the maneuverability that Diana does, nor her specific finesse.But anywho...
The best case scenario for Achilles is that Thor takes him as a joke, gets knocked around and/or surprised for the first half of the fight, then ends him when he gets serious. I.e. the basic formula for Thor fights. It's pretty much how the fight with Diana went.
Diana defeated him the first time by attempting to wrestle him, and then choking him out with a fence. Hardly something Thor can't accomplish.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I saw absolutely nothing in his fight with Diana to prove his as durable as her. I don't remember this. Course, I stopped reading Wonder Woman right before and then again, right after the reboot.The best case scenario for Achilles is that Thor takes him as a joke, gets knocked around and/or surprised for the first half of the fight, then ends him when he gets serious. I.e. the basic formula for Thor fights. It's pretty much how the fight with Diana went.
Diana defeated him the first time by attempting to wrestle him, and then choking him out with a fence. Hardly something Thor can't accomplish.
Wow...
Way to disregard my response indicating that later (in issues of WW), it was directly stated that Achilles' abilities were dampened in all three of his fights against WW, because his "sense of purpose" was conflicted (a Gladiator-esque type weakness) -- he has since demonstrated much greater prowess/strength, and was indicated has having greater power than he demonstrated against her.
As I said...
Thor's combat speed is not an issue here.
Power and speed.
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed05Avengers006.jpg
A death goddess can't even get a touch!
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSpeed03354.jpg
Surfer and Warlock get punked.
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed20InfinityWatch23.jpg
In the space of micro-seconds...
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed08144.jpg
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Thor's combat speed is not an issue here.Power and speed.
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed05Avengers006.jpgA death goddess can't even get a touch!
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSpeed03354.jpgSurfer and Warlock get punked.
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed20InfinityWatch23.jpgIn the space of micro-seconds...
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed08144.jpg
You're right: Thor's relative combat speed isn't being questioned here. While he doesn't have Superman's or Wonder Woman's applied speed/finesse, he has demonstrated being able to at least be factorable when going up against superfast opponents.
That point has no relative bearing on this fight.
Achilles has similar speed in terms of attacking (being able to fight WW), and his Grace allows for the avoidance of attacks even from superfast opponents/projectiles. That Thor can effectively attack at a reflex speed to make him a factor when fighting, say, Superman or Wonder Woman, has no bearing in terms of Achilles' Grace, because said Grace is *effective* against such attacks (will Thor get tackles in, at some point? Sure. He's a god, afterall -- even if not quite as potent as he used to be, but then none of them are). Thor doesn't have, and has never demonstrated, the *movement* speed/finesse of flight that WW employed to make some attacks against Achilles, and as I have posted, Achilles demonstrated feats have increased dramatically since his fights with Diana, and the narrative explanation given: he is, in fact, much more powerful than many realize, and has the [Gladiator-esque] weakness of his abilities being weakened when he doubts his purpose/conviction.
That isn't going to be an issue here.
Thor still gets the majority, for sure, but it isn't a stomp, as such, and it will take him time to get Achilles down.
(Now, give them their weapons/Thor the fuller range of his abilities? Achilles will get his ass handed to him. He doesn't have Diana's experience/additional gear that would allow *her* to stand up better to Thor -- though she'd still just as likely get killed as win.)
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympusachillies is like gladiator, when he fought wonder woman he wasnt at 100%. at 100% he is supposed to be above her
I saw absolutely nothing in his fight with Diana to prove his as durable as her. I don't remember this. Course, I stopped reading Wonder Woman right before and then again, right after the reboot.The best case scenario for Achilles is that Thor takes him as a joke, gets knocked around and/or surprised for the first half of the fight, then ends him when he gets serious. I.e. the basic formula for Thor fights. It's pretty much how the fight with Diana went.
Diana defeated him the first time by attempting to wrestle him, and then choking him out with a fence. Hardly something Thor can't accomplish.
Originally posted by tideoftime
You're right: Thor's relative combat speed isn't being questioned here. While he doesn't have Superman's or Wonder Woman's applied speed/finesse, he has demonstrated being able to at least be factorable when going up against superfast opponents.That point has no relative bearing on this fight.
Achilles has similar speed in terms of attacking (being able to fight WW), and his Grace allows for the avoidance of attacks even from superfast opponents/projectiles. That Thor can effectively attack at a reflex speed to make him a factor when fighting, say, Superman or Wonder Woman, has no bearing in terms of Achilles' Grace, because said Grace is *effective* against such attacks (will Thor get tackles in, at some point? Sure. He's a god, afterall -- even if not quite as potent as he used to be, but then none of them are). Thor doesn't have, and has never demonstrated, the *movement* speed/finesse of flight that WW employed to make some attacks against Achilles, and as I have posted, Achilles demonstrated feats have increased dramatically since his fights with Diana, and the narrative explanation given: he is, in fact, much more powerful than many realize, and has the [Gladiator-esque] weakness of his abilities being weakened when he doubts his purpose/conviction.
That isn't going to be an issue here.
Thor still gets the majority, for sure, but it isn't a stomp, as such, and it will take him time to get Achilles down.
(Now, give them their weapons/Thor the fuller range of his abilities? Achilles will get his ass handed to him. He doesn't have Diana's experience/additional gear that would allow *her* to stand up better to Thor -- though she'd still just as likely get killed as win.)
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