Originally posted by the ninjakI'll be honest, I don't fully know what's going on in this post.
The light was just added to blind Dumble.....obviously.And Dumbledore was always two steps from the grave the only reason he helped Harry was so he could get some of that ass. LOL using Gandalf being thrown against a wall TWICE a low showing...LO freakin LOUD.
Originally posted by the ninjakAnd if the only thing Gandalf can do is heat up a metal sword of no particular power or value, then he's dead. Kinda makes you wonder why he didn't heat up the weapons of all those Orcs and Uruk-hai...
What's your point? Dumble cant cast spells with his wand burning at the touch and blinded by white light?You guys can't Geek Rape me.
And yes we can.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
I'll be honest, I don't fully know what's going on in this post.And if the only thing Gandalf can do is heat up a metal sword of no particular power or value, then he's dead. Kinda makes you wonder why he didn't heat up the weapons of all those Orcs and Uruk-hai...
And yes we can.
Ummm that sword belonged to the future King of the Land. And there is nothing to say it can't happen to anything else. You're reaching.
And the reason why he couldn't just do it to the tens of orcs appearing out of the blue is just that....there were many. If he concentrated on one he would've gotten stabbed by the others.
Dumble is one man in the forum fight he blinds Dumbledore by coating the entire battlefield with pure white light then infuses his wand with white light energy.
Then proceeds to force push him against a wall.
Nice try with comparing his early feat with using it on an army of Orcs though.....not.
Originally posted by the ninjakSo did his boots, are you gonna say they're special too? Unless you mistook Aragorn's sword in Two Towers for Anduril.
Ummm that sword belonged to the future King of the Land.
Originally posted by the ninjakPerhaps.
And there is nothing to say it can't happen to anything else. You're reaching.
Originally posted by the ninjakNow who's reaching?
And the reason why he couldn't just do it to the tens of orcs appearing out of the blue is just that....there were many.
Originally posted by the ninjakWhat others? Gandalf the White had plenty of opportunities to heat the metal swords, or the wooden towers at Pelennor, or the metal reigns of the creatures pulling Grond, or the anything else that was detrimental to the West's victory. But he didn't. Why? Not that an application of heat is a big deal here. Last time I watched Order of the Pheonix, fire didn't seem to be a problem for Dumbledore.
If he concentrated on one he would've gotten stabbed by the others.
Originally posted by the ninjakBecause that's what Gandalf always does: he blinded the Uruk-hai at Helm's Deep with the rising Sun, he blinded the battlefield at Pelennor with... what? And he blinded the battlefield at the Black Gate with... what?
Dumble is one man in the forum fight he blinds Dumbledore by coating the entire battlefield with pure white light then infuses his wand with white light energy.
Originally posted by the ninjakYou're words, not mine. He will "coat the entire battlefield with pure white light". If you wanna attribute abilities and feats to Gandalf so that he can do more than heat up a wand and turn on a flashlight, then you go right ahead.
Then proceeds to force push him against a wall.Nice try with comparing his early feat with using it on an army of Orcs though.....not.
I think Gandalf can take this, the movie obscures some of his more powerful attacks but some of them are still there. As pointed out before he has the ability to superheat objects as seen in the film. On top of that he has blinding light, those are both very clearly shown. However he can also summon lightning, he does so when he fights the balrog to super charge it for a killing blow. Now you could argue that he didn't summon the lightning, but he very clearly does so in the book the Hobbit, which leads me to believe he did so in the movie as well. He also has a sort of force field, which is seen in the extended cut of Return of the King when he is able to take a full on giant fireball directly from Saruman, on top of this he can summon fire himself. While this is only shown in the books he states in the movie that he is Saruman which would mean that he has all of saruman's abilities, it's a bit of a stretch but since Saruman can summon fire in the films it should mean that Gandalf can as well. If that's not enough he has the ability of telekinesis in Fellowship when he battles Saruman. So all that said I can definitely see how he could take down dumbledore with all of these powers at his disposal
Originally posted by General_Iroh
I think Gandalf can take this, the movie obscures some of his more powerful attacks but some of them are still there. As pointed out before he has the ability to superheat objects as seen in the film. On top of that he has blinding light, those are both very clearly shown. However he can also summon lightning, he does so when he fights the balrog to super charge it for a killing blow. Now you could argue that he didn't summon the lightning, but he very clearly does so in the book the Hobbit, which leads me to believe he did so in the movie as well. He also has a sort of force field, which is seen in the extended cut of Return of the King when he is able to take a full on giant fireball directly from Saruman, on top of this he can summon fire himself. While this is only shown in the books he states in the movie that he is Saruman which would mean that he has all of saruman's abilities, it's a bit of a stretch but since Saruman can summon fire in the films it should mean that Gandalf can as well. If that's not enough he has the ability of telekinesis in Fellowship when he battles Saruman. So all that said I can definitely see how he could take down dumbledore with all of these powers at his disposal
He is a faith wizard thereby hard to use in a forum fight.
He has feats that although he used in the films doesn't mean he can just spam them over and over and over again.
Lord Lucien I know what you are saying. But I reckon my above statement explains how I fell about this battle.
I can use past feats and spam them.
But I prefer the simple fact that the universe gave Gandalf Grey or White what he needed in the given situation to deal with the threats that emerged to him.
Sometimes he had to simply beat his opponent up....sometimes the universe gave him a thunder bolt or a shield that allowed him to block a giant demon.
In a One on One match between these guys I reckon Gandolf would be given all he needs to not KO or Kill Dumbledore but incapacitate him long enough to create an alliance.
Gandolf is like the Blues Bros.......sure he'll get in trouble or lose battles but he'll still get the job done.
Originally posted by Pwned
Srry man, but, as RJ seems so fond of, Confundus alone would win this for Dumbles, especially as, sadly, Gandalf has never been shown doing magic without his staff on his person......I wish mr Angel-man could win, but he just doesnt
If Gandalf could have just been shown to do more than he did (like his video-game counterpart), I'd say he would win most engagements against Dumbledore due to not needing to move or speak spells. But all he has is some form of weird heat ray that he used once, and not on any Orc or Uruk or Nazgul---you know when it mattered---and a flashlight.
That's just not impressive or versatile enough.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
If Gandalf could have just been shown to do more than he did (like his video-game counterpart), I'd say he would win most engagements against Dumbledore due to not needing to move or speak spells. But all he has is some form of weird heat ray that he used once, and not on any Orc or Uruk or Nazgul---you know when it mattered---and a flashlight.That's just not impressive or versatile enough.
He may have done more that I don't remember, but even so he's got quite the arsenal at his disposal.
-Summoning lightning without a staff
-Super charging his sword with that lightning
He didn't summon it. There was already a storm going on (as there was in the Hobbit btw), he just channelled the lightning from that. It isn't something he can use in a vesus fight.
Without this, all he has is his sword and a pretty weaksauce telekinetic push. Not enough to put Dumbledore down.
Originally posted by NephthysYeah, right. Gandalf can summon and charge his sword and also lol at ignoring him easily warding off attacks by Aragorn, the dwarf, and the elf like they were nothing. Dumbledore gets wrecked. Not in his league.
He didn't summon it. There was already a storm going on (as there was in the Hobbit btw), he just channelled the lightning from that. It isn't something he can use in a vesus fight.Without this, all he has is his sword and a pretty weaksauce telekinetic push. Not enough to put Dumbledore down.
Well call me Craizee, but I find it just a tad suspicious that the only time he ever 'summoned' lightning was during a lightning storm. I mean, lightning sure would have been useful when they were, say, fighting an army that was 5 times their size and had completely surrounded them. Or against the Nazgul. Or at Minas Tirith. Or against the Witch King. And of these times would have been a great time to bust out a lightning strike. Hell, it would have been fantastic to take out those siege towers at Minas Tirith. But no. Maybe Gandalfs just a lazy ****er. 'Summon lightning?! B-but.....effort! Neeeeeoooooo!'
It's been quite awhile since I've read the books so I'll just take your word for it, so he can't use lightning, but he must still have the capacity to use magic even without his staff then, seeing as how he was also able to set off the fuses on his fireworks without his staff in hand. And he still has the power that he used on the bridge of Khaza-dum, which allowed him to actually shatter the bridge. If that won't knock Dumbledore on his ass I don't know what will. Really I think Gandalf just has Dumbledore beat all around. The shield of istari will block most of Dumbledore's attacks. And I really think Gandalf could disarm Dumbledore before he could do anything, and unlike Gandalf without his wand Dumbledore is pretty much useless.
Originally posted by NephthysIt's a movie they have to create drama so of course he won't easily just best every little threat that comes his way when he had to he singlehandedly took down the Balrog whereas the others were useless against him.
Well call me Craizee, but I find it just a tad suspicious that the only time he ever 'summoned' lightning was during a lightning storm. I mean, lightning sure would have been useful when they were, say, fighting an army that was 5 times their size and had completely surrounded them. Or against the Nazgul. Or at Minas Tirith. Or against the Witch King. And of these times would have been a great time to bust out a lightning strike. Hell, it would have been fantastic to take out those siege towers at Minas Tirith. But no. Maybe Gandalfs just a lazy ****er. 'Summon lightning?! B-but.....effort! Neeeeeoooooo!'
he isn't going t summon lightning every time and the nazgul were unkillable until the power ring was destroyed.
Originally posted by quanchi112
It's a movie they have to create drama so of course he won't easily just best every little threat that comes his way when he had to he singlehandedly took down the Balrog whereas the others were useless against him.he isn't going t summon lightning every time and the nazgul were unkillable until the power ring was destroyed.
Yeah, thats just not good enough. He never 'summons' lightning. The lightning was already there. A la storm.