Punt to the head doesn't kill.
How do you think Mac would approach the following:
The jumper.
The tree lot drug deal.
The building sniper.
"Rescuing" Rianne. If he would actually pull it off, no torture scene. But then again no final scene, so WTF...
Personally I don't think he would even bother fighting Joshua.
It can, actually.
McClane, with his dark wisecracks would have had that Jumper cracking up with laughter, thusly bringing him out of that suicidal groove he was in.
The tree lot Deal... Well, there would have been no three Stooges shit, and there would have been less dramatic faggotry, but the death toll would remain the same. Its likely that when The RHCP singer's Pa took Mcclane hostage, McClane would have likely shot himsefl through the shoulder to end the villains life....but its unlikely that McClane would have gotten taken hostage anyway....thats something that happensd to Riggs a lot though.
The building sniper would ahve been dead 8 bullets quicker than Riggs did it in. His ability to shoot a cable at about tha same distance with a snubnose .38 proves this.
Well more accurately, he was then running from their bullets, to be more exact. They were all unloading on him ata variety of ranges, but couldn't hit him, due to the McClane factor. Martin "Bulletmagnet" Riggs couldn't have made it off that roof. He'd have been having lead suppositories courtesy of the Germans.
Nah Riggs wouldn't have killed them all, Riggs'd have been pinned and captured. (Then killed once Karl had Ze Detonatorzzz).
Sure. He ran to a postion of cover and started annihilating kneecaps..
(What? You think hes gonna stand right in front of three submachine guns at that range like complete imbecille? lol )
To suggest that McClane an like a coward there is like saying that Riggs lost that confrontation with the Xmas tree dealers cause he rolled on the floor to evade the bullets... lol
IE: Nonsense personified.
He then after fighting his way out beat a smart, hasty and impressive retreat when the hocky puck bomb got dished out, that Im certain that that surrender monkey Riggs would never have made it out of.
Originally posted by Sadako of GirthNo. That was the scene with Karl and Hans. Watch Die Hard, it's epic.
Sure. He ran to a postion of cover and started annihilating kneecaps..
(What? You think hes gonna stand right in front of three submachine guns at that range like complete imbecille? lol )
To suggest that McClane an like a coward there is like saying that Riggs lost that confrontation with the Xmas tree dealers cause he rolled on the floor to evade the bullets... lolHans: "You were saying?" Mac runs. He had them pinned in an elevator, and he RAN. Riggs killed 3 in that scene. Mac killed zero on the rooftop.
IE: Nonsense personified.
He then after fighting his way out beat a smart, hasty and impressive retreat when the hocky puck bomb got dished out, that Im certain that that surrender monkey Riggs would never have made it out of.Riggs wouldn't have had to pull a smart, impressive hasty retreat. He would have killed them right then and there.
Was that not the scene you were discussing?
Im right, RJ YOU might need to rewatch.
Speculation right there. What would have happened if he stood there, would be 'Riggs gets shot full of holes'.
McClanes taking out 4-5 guys in an elevator credentials are well in order, as a even the most cursory of examinations of DH3 would tell you.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Was that not the scene you were discussing?Im right, RJ YOU might need to rewatch.
Speculation right there. What would have happened if he stood there, would be 'Riggs gets shot full of holes'.
McClanes taking out 4-5 guys in an elevator credentials are well in order, as a even the most cursory of examinations of DH3 would tell you.
4 guys. It was impressive, yeah.
I still don't know how Mac would approach the Rianne rescue, in the desert.
LW1: He clears but it could be tricky with the torture scene being the key point. If he survives then he can knock Endo out with his feet, plus a wall is behind Endo so if he hits the concrete then he could be killed that way. After that the Rianne rescue might be bit hairier but McClane is good enough to take multiple guys out. The end scene I don't think McClane would challenge Joshua, but Joshua would probably make a play for the gun, thinking McClane a bog-standard cop. McClane would lose the fight but he would find a way to kill him, probably hit him in the throat with the nightstick (lying conveniently on the grass!).
LW2: He clears if he avoids being caught cold by Vorstedt and flung into the water with the weighted jacket, having no shoulder dislocation trick he'd be screwed. The end fight with Vorstedt I don't think would be a problem, even with the knife in his leg (wouldn't be a big deal with McClane who has fought through worse), he might get caught with those fancy kicks but Vorstedt wouldn't take McClanes power well. Come to think of it, he'll probaby use the same thing that Riggs uses to kill him.
LW3: I honestly see no challenge with this scenario for McClane.
LW4: I see no challenge here either until the end fight. With himself and Murtaugh they would take Wah Sing Ku but the fight will be a lot more brutal (as if wasn't a brutal fight originally!) but their combined strength will take him down, in a way they'll probably suit each other better with both being brawling fighters. I think McClane will stop short of going in the water though, with his in close style he'll probably knock him out with a headbutt and leave him to drown in the water.
Originally posted by Lord Shadow Z
LW1: He clears but it could be tricky with the torture scene being the key point. If he survives then he can knock Endo out with his feet, plus a wall is behind Endo so if he hits the concrete then he could be killed that way. After that the Rianne rescue might be bit hairier but McClane is good enough to take multiple guys out. The end scene I don't think McClane would challenge Joshua, but Joshua would probably make a play for the gun, thinking McClane a bog-standard cop. McClane would lose the fight but he would find a way to kill him, probably hit him in the throat with the nightstick (lying conveniently on the grass!).LW2: He clears if he avoids being caught cold by Vorstedt and flung into the water with the weighted jacket, having no shoulder dislocation trick he'd be screwed. The end fight with Vorstedt I don't think would be a problem, even with the knife in his leg (wouldn't be a big deal with McClane who has fought through worse), he might get caught with those fancy kicks but Vorstedt wouldn't take McClanes power well. Come to think of it, he'll probaby use the same thing that Riggs uses to kill him.
LW3: I honestly see no challenge with this scenario for McClane.
LW4: I see no challenge here either until the end fight. With himself and Murtaugh they would take Wah Sing Ku but the fight will be a lot more brutal (as if wasn't a brutal fight originally!) but their combined strength will take him down, in a way they'll probably suit each other better with both being brawling fighters. I think McClane will stop short of going in the water though, with his in close style he'll probably knock him out with a headbutt and leave him to drown in the water.
Afraid not, he doesn't make it past the rescue scene after he kills Indo. He doesn't even kill Indo.
But the question still remains, how would he approach the desert scene?
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Afraid not, he doesn't make it past the rescue scene after he kills Indo. He doesn't even kill Indo.But the question still remains, how would he approach the desert scene?
Endo gets close enough for Riggs to kick out and with one kick he went out cold. I'm sure if McClane survived the torture he would use his untied feet as a weapon. He wouldn't break his neck no, but like I said the force of the kick could propel Endo into the wall behind him.
Once he gets off the hook, he can finish him and go to rescue Rianne. It might be difficult for him to get a weapon, but once he does I don't see McCallisters men as problems for McClane. He wouldn't be snapping necks but with a gun he would do it his way.
I'm not 100% sure about the desert scene. Maybe McClane hides out in the car with an MP5(replacing Rigg's sniper rifle) while Murtaugh leaves the engine running. Murtaugh distracts them with the grenade, possibly even uses a smoke grenade/ or a flash bang. Once they are disoriented he guns the car towards the one with Rianne, McClane pops out the car window and drills the guys nearest the car and, Murtaugh stops, taking some out too, maybe even Joshua in the confusion. He gets out, grabs Rianne, bundles her into the car and they get out of there. If the helicopter follows then McClanes got the MP5.
As Riggs/Murtaugh would say; pretty thin but an an idea.