McClane versus Lethal Weapon

Originally posted by Lord Shadow Z
Endo gets close enough for Riggs to kick out and with one kick he went out cold. I'm sure if McClane survived the torture he would use his untied feet as a weapon. He wouldn't break his neck no, but like I said the force of the kick could propel Endo into the wall behind him.

Once he gets off the hook, he can finish him and go to rescue Rianne. It might be difficult for him to get a weapon, but once he does I don't see McCallisters men as problems for McClane. He wouldn't be snapping necks but with a gun he would do it his way.

I'm not 100% sure about the desert scene. Maybe McClane hides out in the car with an MP5(replacing Rigg's sniper rifle) while Murtaugh leaves the engine running. Murtaugh distracts them with the grenade, possibly even uses a smoke grenade/ or a flash bang. Once they are disoriented he guns the car towards the one with Rianne, McClane pops out the car window and drills the guys nearest the car and, Murtaugh stops, taking some out too, maybe even Joshua in the confusion. He gets out, grabs Rianne, bundles her into the car and they get out of there. If the helicopter follows then McClanes got the MP5.

As Riggs/Murtaugh would say; pretty thin but an an idea.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
No, Riggs killed Indo by breaking his neck with a leglock. Mac cannot do this.

He doesn't have to break his neck the exact way. I told you, he knocks him out with his feet, either instantly or due to the concrete wall behind him. He then gets off the hook, then kills him.

Originally posted by Lord Shadow Z
He doesn't have to break his neck the exact way. I told you, he knocks him out with his feet, either instantly or due to the concrete wall behind him. He then gets off the hook, then kills him.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Mac was never shown KOing a guy with a kick, he doesn't have those type of skills.

Well he kicks him with enough force for Endo to strike the wall behind him, thus knocking him out.

Originally posted by Lord Shadow Z
Well he kicks him with enough force for Endo to strike the wall behind him, thus knocking him out.

According to TVTropes McClane at one point punches a mook through a door in Live Free or Die Hard. That indicates neck-breaking strength imo.

Mhm, not a kick.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
McClane kicks Indo in the head, (Which was enough strength to topple Karl in DH 1),

RG

If he topples Karl he topples Endo (with the swing of one leg, barefoot also), thus Endo falls backward and conks his head out on a concrete floor/wall.

Originally posted by Lord Shadow Z
RG

If he topples Karl he topples Endo (with the swing of one leg, barefoot also), thus Endo falls backward and conks his head out on a concrete floor/wall.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
That's alotta speculation, dude.

Hardly, I'm using the environment that's within the scene and a concrete wall close behind Endo is something for McClane to exploit. If he can knock down Karl with one swing of one leg then what he would do to Endo - a smaller and lighter man than Karl - using two would be enough to propel him into the wall.

Originally posted by Lord Shadow Z
Hardly, I'm using the environment that's within the scene and a concrete wall close behind Endo is something for McClane to exploit. If he can knock down Karl with one swing of one leg then what he would do to Endo - a smaller and lighter man than Karl - using two would be enough to propel him into the wall.

He fails here.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Riggs does not run.

He ran from his trailer on the beach in 2 when the folks in the helicopter was shooting.

He ran from a building just because of a bomb.

Hell his chicken ass even ran into a bathtub once too for safety.

In fact: In terms of running, there is basically Riggs, then his peer Forrest gump.

My impending complete rewatch of the series will doubtlessly remind me of more incidents.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
The shootout with Karl on the roof. The kneecapping took place inside.

Ah I see.

Well at that point the focus wasn't on taking on Half of Han's top boys alone....it was was getting the hostages safe/getting news out of what was happening at Nakatomi and none of the of hostages were in a position to
call for help.
McClane was trying to call for backup. Sure they caught him on the backfoot, there in the infancy of the conflict.
They fired clips and clips at Mcclane though that, and not one bullet caught him. Notice all the variety of jumps falls, slams, wallops he endures there too.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
That's alotta speculation, dude.

Nah its logical, concise and very, very feasible.

Therefore, not much "Speculation" at all.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Ah I see.

Well at that point the focus wasn't on taking on Half of Han's top boys alone....it was was getting the hostages safe/getting news out of what was happening at Nakatomi and none of the of hostages were in a position to
call for help.
McClane was trying to call for backup. Sure they caught him on the backfoot, there in the infancy of the conflict.
They fired clips and clips at Mcclane though that, and not one bullet caught him. Notice all the variety of jumps falls, slams, wallops he endures there too.

Riggs would have killed them in seconds.

Yes and they allllllll failed. Couldn't get ONE of those bullet in him, due the McClane factor.

No he wouldn't. He would be machine gunned in the anus.
He lacks the McClane factor.

Riggs is to bullets what Lightbulbs are to moths.....as seen in the LW movies.

Again, Riggs doesn't need luck. He gets by on skill. McClane has luck because he NEEDS it.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Again, Riggs doesn't need luck. He gets by on skill. McClane has luck because he NEEDS it.

It's not just luck, it's sheer insane levels of skill and resourcefulness.

EG he didn't accidentally run over a fire hydrant and the helicopter just happens to be in the exact position where one of the gunmen was knocked off. It was planned and executed on the fly. McClane's likely a genius.

They're too old for this shit.

har har har

Originally posted by Robtard
It's not just luck, it's sheer insane levels of skill and resourcefulness.

EG he didn't accidentally run over a fire hydrant and the helicopter just happens to be in the exact position where one of the gunmen was knocked off. It was planned and executed on the fly. McClane's likely a genius.