Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusThe first attack on Thanos went through him like a cool breeeze and we see Odin bracing for attacks as well showing they are affecting him. neither were hurt the only time Odin gained the edge is after Thanos ran through a concentrated gungir blast. Thanks for putting up the scans and proving my point.
facepalmBack and forth? You mean Thanos failing to do anything to Odin -he couldn't even budge Odin's forearm with an attack- and getting embarrassed? Thanos was losing after Odin's first attack.
The only thing resembling a stalemate occurred when Thanos' shields deflected Odin's initial attack.
Thanos on hand shields aren't doing shit to stop Odin from what I've seen. And how would cowering behind his shields help him win the fight?
Lol, are you implying that Thanos wasn't serious? I'm sure when Thanos called for Surfer to his side, it was just for amusement.
Odin bringing out Gugnir matters little.
Thanos never had his shields up, ever. The shields weren't alluded to and were never destroyed which is what artists typically do when he is using a shield. No mention nothing. You are always reaching I see.
Thanos' best shields were used against Galactus and Omega. Odin wouldn't break through those imo his might is nowhere near either character.
Thanos was serious for battle he just didn't want Odin's head he was there for Odin's aid. This happened prior to the fight since you don't seem to know.
The scans prove him bringing out gungir was the difference maker. Did you even look at your own scans ?
which scan was he injured prior to running through the blast ?
Which one ?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusSurfer is in Odin's class and with a team behind him can get the win. I mean Surfer wasn't even oneshotted by two Galactus level beings yet you claimed Odin can oneshot him.
He is. I don't even know why I bother. At least he gave up on the Surfer > Odin/Thor shit.
How does Thanos beat current Surfer?
Originally posted by quanchi112
The first attack on Thanos went through him like a cool breeeze and we see Odin bracing for attacks as well showing they are affecting him. neither were hurt the only time Odin gained the edge is after Thanos ran through a concentrated gungir blast. Thanks for putting up the scans and proving my point.
Through him? I saw the attack bend around him. I.e. Shields.
Or the time Odin back handed Thanos off his feet, or blasted Thanos on his ass. How generous of Odin to not press his advantage.
Odin raising his hands =/= Odin hurt
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos never had his shields up, ever. The shields weren't alluded to and were never destroyed which is what artists typically do when he is using a shield. No mention nothing. You are always reaching I see.
Untrue. Uhuh.
Thanos raised his shields for the first attack. They held. Thanos shields were destroyed and his was pushed back on the second attack.
I don't understand why he'd use shields as the get go against Thor in that arc, and not against Odin. Makes no sense. If he can ask Surfer for assistance, using shields is hardly below him.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos' best shields were used against Galactus and Omega. Odin wouldn't break through those imo his might is nowhere near either character.
I'm pretty sure he was prepared for a conflict against both characters. I know he had his shields prepped against Omega.
His shields seem to depend on what foe he fights, and how much time he takes to prepare.
Originally posted by quanchi112
The scans prove him bringing out gungir was the difference maker. Did you even look at your own scans ?which scan was he injured prior to running through the blast ?
Difference maker? Why not. Whatever helps you sleep at night.
As long as you don't attempt and claim that Odin could not achieve the same effect he did against Thanos without Gugnir. I don't care. Of course, now you will
Well if you're line of thinking means anything, when he was knocked off his feet, or blasted into Asgard.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Which one ?
Which one what?
I'm through approaching this like a logical argument.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
How does Thanos beat current Surfer?Through him? I saw the attack bend around him. I.e. Shields.
Or the time Odin back handed Thanos off his feet, or blasted Thanos on his ass. How generous of Odin to not press his advantage.
Odin raising his hands =/= Odin hurt
Untrue. Uhuh.
Thanos raised his shields for the first attack. They held. Thanos shields were destroyed and his was pushed back on the second attack.
I don't understand why he'd use shields as the get go against Thor in that arc, and not against Odin. Makes no sense. If he can ask Surfer for assistance, using shields is hardly below him.
I'm pretty sure he was prepared for a conflict against both characters. I know he had his shields prepped against Omega.
His shields seem to depend on what foe he fights, and how much time he takes to prepare.
Difference maker? Why not. Whatever helps you sleep at night.
As long as you don't attempt and claim that Odin could not achieve the same effect he did against Thanos without Gugnir. I don't care. Of course, now you will
Well if you're line of thinking means anything, when he was knocked off his feet, or blasted into Asgard.
Which one what?
I'm through approaching this like a logical argument.
Not answering any more Thanos type mini debates for you stick to the topic at hand.
No, he tanked the attack just like Odin tanked the first attack. There were no shields drawn or mentioned. You always reach so please find me another instance where Thanos used shields that weren't clearly drawn or mentioned.
So knocking a character back a few feet is really messing them up ? Wow, Thanos looked worse off against the Fallen One at the end of the battle and he pwned him. Being slightly singed and getting back up isn't badly damaged, sport.
Odin raising his hands means embracing the attack. If Thanos was nothing and his blasts had no effect he wouldn't need to brace for the attack now would he ? I love you put the scans up I am going to tear apart your entire case now.
Thanos never raised his shields. No shields are drawn or mentioned. Earlier in this arc they were clearly drawn when Thor smashed one. They weren't drawn here you are reaching and terribly.
In the same arc shields were clearly drawn and Thanos always disputed Odin's superiority the entire time and we've seen him acknowledge when someone is more powerful than him. Reaching.
Thanos used what shielding he had available against Galactus and against Omega had his best shields on hand because he was preparing for a war with him which he needed to survive. Galactus was a last ditch effort since he wasn't listening to him.
The fight makes it clear if it weren't for
a)gungir
b)running through a concentrated sustained blast
he would never have taken the damage he did which was minimal at best.
Why would Odin bring out a weapon if it didn't help him at all ?
That makes zero sense.
I said which blast prior to the long gungir one was Thanos visibly hurt.
This is insane, I vaguely remember years ago on the various forums I perused that the fight was seen as an excellent showing for Thanos, with him giving a good account of himself against Odin while the latter was in Asgard itself, where he would be at his best.
Now as most of you would describe it(Sour grapes towards Quan?), Odin completely outclasses the sucker or something. Hell no. Odin's own words do not betray this sort of sentiment. He was putting his all into it, resorted to a massive blast from Gungnir that Thanos still plowed through like a champ.
Before it was brought out, Thanos was literally SPOTLESS. Yeah, he got knocked back a few times, but so what? Odin tanked a surfer + thanos beam in the beginning, but then he started to feel a solo Thanos blast (starting to pour it on in earnest I assume) after Odin declares his initial surprise at Thanos' resiliancy.
After that point, Thanos was matching Odin's moves, it was only until Gungnir was brought out that Odin finally gained the upper hand again. Yes, Gungnir is easily a standard part of Odin, as would be Mjolnir to Thor, so he should not be begrudged using it, but it was what gave him the ultimate victory, if that's what you want to call it
Let's be real. Thanos is a helluva lot stronger now than he was then. And even back then Odin could not dismiss him.
edit: ^Yeah I never saw a shield nor read a mention of it throughout the hundreds of times I saw that scene.
@CC
Exactly someone finally said it. The comic, Warlock's own words while they are fighting, Odin's own words, the back and forth blasting, and the entire comic make it clear Thanos was indeed Odin's peer in terms of power.
Couple this with the fact Thanos wasn't there to kill Odin or invade asgard and simply fighting him for the sport out it like he did against Thor and I think Thanos takes him at his best.
I wouldn't call this an odin victory though just gungir being responsible for him finally doing visible damage to Thanos which was next to nothing considering his appearance in other battles.
The fight ended in a standstill.
edit--I have only heard Thanos haters or Thor supporters claim he had a shield present there when in his entire history it's always either clearly drawn or stated on panel.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos was going mano e mano with Odin and was going to win but that's besides the fact Surfer performed the crunch feat while in a battle with two Galactus level beings.
Mano e mano my ass. This is why you're such a f#cken moron on this board.
Surfer got his ass rammed in twice by Ageis and Tenebrous. When Galactus was at his side, they both got stomp. How does Surfer beat Odin without the Crunch. Or are you going to demonstrate you lack of debate skill by avoiding this question?
Surfer with Galactus and still lost. Kinda sucks when Surfer doesn't have a plot-device to use to win.
He also has a team on hand that just makes this simply unfair for the old timer.
And you call yourself the champion debater on this board with moronic tactics like this? No one on his team is comparable to his classic self. So because they team up they can beat a galaxy buster like Odin? Truly, you're debating skills are among the worse on these boards. How can one by this horrible. Stormfront, is that you?
I believe classic Thanos is greater than current Surfer and greater than classic Odin. 😉
LMAO. Current Quanchi is nothing but a bloat with deluded opinions. Current Surfer would beat Odin by channeling the Crunch that's not in this fight.
Here comes the insulting which is a sign of desperation. You lost I won get over it already.
Here you are, being yourself and the living proof of my very statements. Like I've said, when you came onto this board you were a fanboy that was kissing other board member's ass. Now you're just a fanboy that's full of himself with but deluded opinions and piss poor debating tactics. Really, it's not an insult when you time and again set out to prove those statements true.
Current Quanchi is a poor-man's debater compared to classic Quanchi. The fact that you manage to suck worst then when you first came to this board is a feat of marvel - that is the only thing I would ever hail to you.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
This is insane, I vaguely remember years ago on the various forums I perused that the fight was seen as an excellent showing for Thanos, with him giving a good account of himself against Odin while the latter was in Asgard itself, where he would be at his best.Now as most of you would describe it(Sour grapes towards Quan?), Odin completely outclasses the sucker or something. Hell no. Odin's own words do not betray this sort of sentiment. He was putting his all into it, resorted to a massive blast from Gungnir that Thanos still plowed through like a champ.
Before it was brought out, Thanos was literally SPOTLESS. Yeah, he got knocked back a few times, but so what? Odin tanked a surfer + thanos beam in the beginning, but then he started to feel a solo Thanos blast (starting to pour it on in earnest I assume) after Odin declares his initial surprise at Thanos' resiliancy.
After that point, Thanos was matching Odin's moves, it was only until Gungnir was brought out that Odin finally gained the upper hand again. Yes, Gungnir is easily a standard part of Odin, as would be Mjolnir to Thor, so he should not be begrudged using it, but it was what gave him the ultimate victory, if that's what you want to call it
Let's be real. Thanos is a helluva lot stronger now than he was then. And even back then Odin could not dismiss him.
edit: ^Yeah I never saw a shield nor read a mention of it throughout the hundreds of times I saw that scene.
How was Thanos matching Odin evenly when Thanos attacked Odin and failed every step of the way? Remove Gungnir from the equation and point to when Thanos attempted anything and it moved Odin off his feet even once? His amped punch didn't even flinch Odin's hand. Then Odin backed handed Thanos who was immediately knocked back. Every attempt by Thanos was a failure so he decided to use his force block tech on Odin. The same one he used to end that stalemate against WM Thor. Now that fight was a stalemate. This wasn't even close; it was one-sided. He pulled that tech out and Odin broke the thing in a matter of minutes. If Gungnir was not brought in, it wouldn't have mattered because Thanos was already getting a beat down. With Gungnir, Odin was giving a worst beat down that's all.
To say that Odin was giving his all is funny consider Odin at his best can tap into Asgard for power. He tapped into Infinity once as well. Or he just grows in size to achieve his full might. He did none of that and Thanos never managed to even phase Odin or knock him off his feet. When it comes down to it, this isn't even an all out Odin. The fact that he even gave Thanos a chance to give up means he wasn't going all out. See his fights with Forsung, Surtur, and Seth for an all out Odin.
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKingEvery post it seems you can't help yourself from the bashing. Keep it together, witchey.
Mano e mano my ass. This is why you're such a f#cken moron on this board.Surfer got his ass rammed in twice by Ageis and Tenebrous. When Galactus was at his side, they both got stomp. How does Surfer beat Odin without the Crunch. Or are you going to demonstrate you lack of debate skill by avoiding this question?
Surfer with Galactus and still lost. Kinda sucks when Surfer doesn't have a plot-device to use to win.
And you call yourself the champion debater on this board with moronic tactics like this? No one on his team is comparable to his classic self. So because they team up they can beat a galaxy buster like Odin? Truly, you're debating skills are among the worse on these boards. How can one by this horrible. Stormfront, is that you?
LMAO. Current Quanchi is nothing but a bloat with deluded opinions. Current Surfer would beat Odin by channeling the Crunch that's not in this fight.
Here you are, being yourself and the living proof of my very statements. Like I've said, when you came onto this board you were a fanboy that was kissing other board member's ass. Now you're just a fanboy that's full of himself with but deluded opinions and piss poor debating tactics. Really, it's not an insult when you time and again set out to prove those statements true.
Current Quanchi is a poor-man's debater compared to classic Quanchi. The fact that you manage to suck worst then when you first came to this board is a feat of marvel - that is the only thing I would ever hail to you.
Surfer and Galactus were unprepared for both at this point in time and were defeated further showing how powerful these two were. This helps my case thanks for going to the trouble of posting it. Surfer wasn't also killed here when attacked by two Galactus level beings. Later Surfer engages them on his own and while his power pales in comparison to theirs he tanked more than few blasts and engaged them on his own. While alreayd near death he showed the durability to survive manipulating the crunch which would Onsume Galactus as well.
This is why he called it inconceivable.
Surfer more than likely goes down one on one against Odin in the end. I mean he's proven he can withstand an assault from two beings who tower over Odin in power. I feel with the heralds aid this gives Surfer the edge here who has shown he can take on far greater power by himself for a time so they definitely give him the edge,
You're too busy foaming at the mouth to see I never stated Odin would lose one on one in a battle against the Surfer. Current Odin who knows we shall see but classic Odin at this point would probably beat him in an all out battle.
How often does Odin bust up galaxies ? Both times this has occurred and the one time it did by him it was his darker half controlled by hela and the other time it was as the result of a battle between another being.
Please pull yourself together I feel sorry for posters who completely dismiss the context of events just because they are upset their favorite characters lose.
As you can see current quanchi has someone peeking out of the bushes who agrees with my assessment of the thanos/odin battle. Current quan has many fans who don't 'tend to agree with me even when they do. I attract lifelong haters such as yourself who really get emotionally involved.
I never kissed anyone's ass my emotionally unstable friend you need to let go of your hate because you hate me so much I control you. That's what happens when you hate someone or something this much you forfeit over control. Take control back of your life for you not me. 🙂
@wwk for his responses to cc near the end of your post especially.
I disagree with the entire thing and you've been proven wrong countless times but here goes a quick response to your flawed logic at the end. Also Thanos tends to use his shields when he has a plan or his life is in danger. He didn't here and still went blow for blow.
Odin fighting other characters means nothing to the writer who compared thanos to odin. This writer had them peers. That will be all.
Originally posted by NewjakYou can't prove Odin can take Thanos down either and I have already shown proof this Surfer is vastly improved since two Galactus level beings couldn't oneshot him yet Odin has.
I've read all of your arguments along with the other sides. Odin still wins, and you can not prove that Thanos or the Heralds have what it takes to put down Odin.
