Originally posted by Sirius77Monarch's armor was breached by just a gl. Thor's power minus the power gem has destroyed exitar's shell. This isn't even close.
That's retarded. Since when has Monarch ever been defeated by anyone on less than skyfather levels of power lol? Did you even read any comics with Monarch in them or did you just read the scans Quan?
Prime at his regular levels had the strength to defeat him which isi far less than skyfather. I'm right as always.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Horrible logic. This is so bad it makes my skin crawl. If Monarch's armor is opened he loses in the manner in which Prime has done so. Thor has access to the power gem so whether you disagree or not he wins the fight as he tears open his armor.Monarch was defeated by far less than thor with the power gem.
So you do think that Power gem Thor> The universe? Answer the question or it is assumed that you do.
So do you think that power gem Thor is high to mid skyfather and is capable of surviving the destruction of the universe?
Answer the questions. Don't dance Quan. Answer.
Originally posted by Sirius77No, I don't think he's greater than a universe but far less than a universe defeated Monarch so your question is moot and silly.
So you do think that Power gem Thor> The universe? Answer the question or it is assumed that you do.So do you think that power gem Thor is high to mid skyfather and is capable of surviving the destruction of the universe?
Answer the questions. Don't dance Quan. Answer.
I think the power gem makes him physically unbeatable especially since the force that would hit him isn't powerful enough to destroy a universe only set the chain reaction to do so.
I have multiple times you still don't grasp what a chain reaction is.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Monarch's armor was breached by just a gl. Thor's power minus the power gem has destroyed exitar's shell. This isn't even close.
His face plate was lifted by a gl. Then the gl was killed by Monarch's face... You keep trying to argue this, but if a gl really did destroy the faceplate then why was it right back where it was in literally the next panel.
The invisible woman did the same and you know both instances were bull. You're grasping.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Prime at his regular levels had the strength to defeat him which isi far less than skyfather. I'm right as always.
Superboy-prime breached his armor. Then again, Superboy-prime has also punked the Anti-moniter, retconned all of DC with a punch, Taken on handfuls of High heralds while weakened, produced white light from a black ring, and survived the destruction of the universe and will eventually become the Time Trapper. Yes. I would put him at skyfather. Being ripped open by Superboy-prime is not a low feat. Surviving a battle with him is a high one. Beating him is a really high one. Monarch did all of these.
In your mind you're right. To everyone else, you're making joke of yourself.
Originally posted by Sirius77His armor was ruptured it stated it right on panel by someone far less powerful than just plain regular Thor so it stands to reason that Thor can easily destroy all of his armor with his best feats of power.
His face plate was lifted by a gl. Then the gl was killed by Monarch's face... You keep trying to argue this, but if a gl really did destroy the faceplate then why was it right back where it was in literally the next panel.The invisible woman did the same and you know both instances were bull. You're grasping.
Superboy-prime breached his armor. Then again, Superboy-prime has also punked the Anti-moniter, retconned all of DC with a punch, Taken on handfuls of High heralds while weakened, produced white light from a black ring, and survived the destruction of the universe and will eventually become the Time Trapper. Yes. I would put him at skyfather. Being ripped open by Superboy-prime is not a low feat. Surviving a battle with him is a high one. Beating him is a really high one. Monarch did all of these.
In your mind you're right. To everyone else, you're making joke of yourself.
Invisible woman manipulated the same energy she didn't do so based on pure power like Thor did. I unlike you understand this.
Am was weakened and was already left practically half dead by the gl's bomb so not the same thing as straight up punking him. Context.
Prime never survived this he was taken out of harm's way of the blast and the Monitor also survived it unscathed.
Monarch was defeated by someone above top tier he could wreck top tiers but so could Thor with the power gem. Thor was getting stronger each second as well can't say the same for Monarch.
Thor wins any way you look at it.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, I don't think he's greater than a universe but far less than a universe defeated Monarch so your question is moot and silly.
So then if you believe that he is not greater than a universe then why do you believe that he can survive and absorb something that could destroy the universe?
Originally posted by quanchi112
I think the power gem makes him physically unbeatable especially since the force that would hit him isn't powerful enough to destroy a universe only set the chain reaction to do so.
You're not grasping the concept of an explosion. Thor will not have time to "block" a universal explosion. When has he ever shown the power to do so with the power gem?
Originally posted by quanchi112
I have multiple times you still don't grasp what a chain reaction is.
I'm grasping it fine. It can kill Thor.
Originally posted by Sirius77This isn't something that can destroy the universe straight up it's something that evetually through a chain reaction can do so. A Monitor did so easily and their entire army was losing to mere top tiers Monarch defeated. 🙂
So then if you believe that he is not greater than a universe then why do you believe that he can survive and absorb something that could destroy the universe?You're not grasping the concept of an explosion. Thor will not have time to "block" a universal explosion. When has he ever shown the power to do so with the power gem?
I'm grasping it fine. It can kill Thor.
Yes, I am and not only that a Monitor shield also survived easily. Who did this explosion kill above top tier ?
Thor has shown the power without it so with it he is capable of even more.
No proof it can even kill a Monitor let alone Thor or Thor with the power gem.
Originally posted by quanchi112
His armor was ruptured it stated it right on panel by someone far less powerful than just plain regular Thor so it stands to reason that Thor can easily destroy all of his armor with his best feats of power.Invisible woman manipulated the same energy she didn't do so based on pure power like Thor did. I unlike you understand this.
Thor ruptured Exitar's shell. I'm not arguing that. That doesn't mean that Exitar wouldnt still swat him like a fly.
Just because Power gem thor ruptures Monarchs shell doesn't imply that he's just suddenly die. Hell, he didn't die when Superboy-prime ripped his shell wide open. Why would he if Thor cracks it? Thor will just be blasted by the resulting energy release and Monarchy will punk him faster. I don't see why everone want Power gem Thor to crack monarch's shell, he's already at a disadvantage. Why fry him too?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Am was weakened and was already left practically half dead by the gl's bomb so not the same thing as straight up punking him. Context.Prime never survived this he was taken out of harm's way of the blast and the Monitor also survived it unscathed.
There was definitely context. The AM was still beating down guardians even after that iirc. Superboy-prime came out of nowhere, went right through the anti-matter that was burning gaurdians and beat down the AM and threw him into space just because. Then proceeded to fight both the gl corps, the sinestro corps, and the heroes of Earth. By himself. Monarch defeated this guy.
Yes Superboy-prime did survive. He was knocked out of the universe after it was destroyed. The time trapper found him floating through the timestream and sent him to the future. Did you read LO3W or just make assumptions based upon scans?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Monarch was defeated by someone above top tier he could wreck top tiers but so could Thor with the power gem. Thor was getting stronger each second as well can't say the same for Monarch.
Above top-tier. Right. I listed the feats, you've seen the scans. If you want to prove yourself to be that biased and unreasonable, what's new.
Monarch doesn't need to amp himself in this fight.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thor wins any way you look at it.
You're like a parrot. You just take what I say, copy it and twist it around even if it doesn't make sense. You don't really even know what you're saying do you? 😆
Originally posted by quanchi112
This isn't something that can destroy the universe straight up it's something that evetually through a chain reaction can do so. A Monitor did so easily and their entire army was losing to mere top tiers Monarch defeated. 🙂
That's funny you should say that. The entire universe was destroyed in four panels. You act as if it took a lifetime lol. Also, what explosion isn't a chain reaction? Surfers blasts are chain reactions, Superman's hv is a chain reaction, ect. You're using word play and grasping. Stop.
No one here is claiming that Moniters are physically superior.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, I am and not only that a Monitor shield also survived easily. Who did this explosion kill above top tier ?
Wait. Are you trying to argue that universal destruction can only kill top tiers? Quan... I.... I just don't know what to say to that man. I don't know why you're grasping so hard but this just proves how much of spite this thread is.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thor has shown the power without it so with it he is capable of even more.
Power to kill a skyfather and survive the destruction of a universe. Scans.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No proof it can even kill a Monitor let alone Thor or Thor with the power gem.
So then you really are saying that the destruction of a universe can only kill top tiers. I think this debate is over. You have no idea what you're talking about.
Originally posted by Sirius77It idnd't take a lifetime it was a chain reaction which means it wasn't instantaneous.
That's funny you should say that. The entire universe was destroyed in four panels. You act as if it took a lifetime lol. Also, what explosion isn't a chain reaction? Surfers blasts are chain reactions, Superman's hv is a chain reaction, ect. You're using word play and grasping. Stop.No one here is claiming that Moniters are physically superior.
Wait. Are you trying to argue that universal destruction can only kill top tiers? Quan... I.... I just don't know what to say to that man. I don't know why you're grasping so hard but this just proves how much of spite this thread is.
Power to kill a skyfather and survive the destruction of a universe. Scans.
So then you really are saying that the destruction of a universe can only kill top tiers. I think this debate is over. You have no idea what you're talking about.
Many explosions aren't chain reactions I have seen Gladiator destroy a planet by pure force alone.
I am saying it didn't kill any Monitors and they were losing as an army against the top tiers Monarch whooped himself.
He had the power to kill a weakened Galactus who is far above skyfather. he also stalemated Zeus prior to who is a skyfather. Name me one character this chain reaction killed above top tier.
I am saying you can't prove this chain reaction can kill anyone above top tier while a Monitor tanked it like nothing and you can't even show proof of Thor being beaten physically in a battle yet claim he dies here. Monarch dies here.
Originally posted by quanchi112
It idnd't take a lifetime it was a chain reaction which means it wasn't instantaneous.Many explosions aren't chain reactions I have seen Gladiator destroy a planet by pure force alone.
Nothing is instantaneous. Such is the nature of physics. Certainly not Gladiator's punches. 😐
Also, the "chain reaction" you speak of was a lot faster than any of Gladiator's punches considering the fact that it reached the entire universe in like four panels and before countdown ended. Which is less than a year and more than a day. It would have be travelling a lot faster than light. You realize this, correct?
Some chain reaction.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I am saying it didn't kill any Monitors and they were losing as an army against the top tiers Monarch whooped himself.
Being whooped by Monarch is not a bad showing at all. The question is who hasn't he whooped?
I mean he's kind of like Russel Crow with skyfather level quantum energy manipulation powers and the strength of fifty-two Supermen and Captain Atoms.
But his shit is weak dawg, he only destroys universes. No way he can beat Power gem thor. 😬
Originally posted by quanchi112
He had the power to kill a weakened Galactus who is far above skyfather. he also stalemated Zeus prior to who is a skyfather. Name me one character this chain reaction killed above top tier.
Give me scans of power gem Thor killing a weakened Galactus.
Also an amped alternate universe Thunder bird killed a weakened Galactus with his bare hands. That's right, the mutant with the knives...
We all know that Marvel uses the whole "starving" thing to legitimately jobb Galactus out. It's one of the biggest PIS showings in comics pretty much every time it happens. Besides, who hasn't beaten a starved Galactus these days? It's sickening really.
Stalemated Zeus? Again scans and context.
An entire universe genius.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I am saying you can't prove this chain reaction can kill anyone above top tier while a Monitor tanked it like nothing and you can't even show proof of Thor being beaten physically in a battle yet claim he dies here. Monarch dies here.
Except an entire universe with a planet known to be populated with high heralds. Thats one weak "chain reaction" huh. 😐
All that proves is that Monitor tech is insane, as has been implied in every comic that they appear in.
Wanna know who else has never been beaten? Monarch. He destroyed a universe and survived it. Thor hasn't. So by your logic, Thor dies.
Aside from your logic, Monarch is a more powerful and dangerous character who has shown more sky father level feats than Power gem thor (who has none on this level that I can recall). So with that said, I'm arguing that this thread is actually kind of spitey.
Originally posted by Sirius77LOL. Yes, with enough power it is instantaneous and Glads is an example of doing so.
Nothing is instantaneous. Such is the nature of physics. Certainly not Gladiator's punches. 😐Also, the "chain reaction" you speak of was a lot faster than any of Gladiator's punches considering the fact that it reached the [B]entire
universe in like four panels and before countdown ended. Which is less than a year and more than a day. It would have be travelling a lot faster than light. You realize this, correct?Some chain reaction.
Being whooped by Monarch is not a bad showing at all. The question is who hasn't he whooped?
I mean he's kind of like Russel Crow with skyfather level quantum energy manipulation powers and the strength of fifty-two Supermen and Captain Atoms.
But his shit is weak dawg, he only destroys universes. No way he can beat Power gem thor. 😬
Give me scans of power gem Thor killing a weakened Galactus.
Also an amped alternate universe Thunder bird killed a weakened Galactus with his bare hands. That's right, the mutant with the knives...
We all know that Marvel uses the whole "starving" thing to legitimately jobb Galactus out. It's one of the biggest PIS showings in comics pretty much every time it happens. Besides, who hasn't beaten a starved Galactus these days? It's sickening really.
Stalemated Zeus? Again scans and context.
An entire universe genius.
Except an entire universe with a planet known to be populated with high heralds. Thats one weak "chain reaction" huh. 😐
All that proves is that Monitor tech is insane, as has been implied in every comic that they appear in.
Wanna know who else has never been beaten? Monarch. He destroyed a universe and survived it. Thor hasn't. So by your logic, Thor dies.
Aside from your logic, Monarch is a more powerful and dangerous character who has shown more sky father level feats than Power gem thor (who has none on this level that I can recall). So with that said, I'm arguing that this thread is actually kind of spitey. [/B]
Monarch can only destroy a universe when his unstable energy is released and when he loses so by all counts he loses the thread anyways soon as his armor is breached. You still can't prove it kills Thor when a Monitor tanked it effortlessly.
Thor made Galactus flee without the power gem. That's even more impressive since the power gem makes him more powerful. Feel the burn.
Not my problem to lay down entire comics for you. Thor stalemated him early on and you can't ignore which showings you don't like and Thor has already destroyed exitar's shell showing his power level is off the charts.
No, it proves you have no proof it even ko's Thor since it didn't even ko Monitor who were being portrayed as being dominated by an army of top tiers.
Thor stomps there is no way for Monarch to win with the power gem in thor's possession.
Originally posted by quanchi112
LOL. Yes, with enough power it is instantaneous and Glads is an example of doing so.Monarch can only destroy a universe when his unstable energy is released and when he loses so by all counts he loses the thread anyways soon as his armor is breached. You still can't prove it kills Thor when a Monitor tanked it effortlessly.
Thor made Galactus flee without the power gem. That's even more impressive since the power gem makes him more powerful. Feel the burn.
Not my problem to lay down entire comics for you. Thor stalemated him early on and you can't ignore which showings you don't like and Thor has already destroyed exitar's shell showing his power level is off the charts.
No, it proves you have no proof it even ko's Thor since it didn't even ko Monitor who were being portrayed as being dominated by an army of top tiers.
Thor stomps there is no way for Monarch to win with the power gem in thor's possession.
This is like debating with a kid from the short bus.
You're seriously comparing Thor to Galactus and Exitar. If you make claims like that, then yes, it is your duty to prove ridiculous shit like that. I'm aware that thor cracked Exitar's shell and that he scared off Galactus, but he wasn't the first or the weakest to do do so. My point is that either of these characters would destroy thor without meaning to, so their mention is irrelevant.
Also where is your proof of Power Gem Thor being able to kill Galactus? Again if you are going to make ridiculous claims, then you should provide proof.
It doesn't matter how Monarch destroys the universe, thor cant survive it. He will not tank a universal destruction. The monitor didn't tank shit. His shield did. That was stated on panel. Apparently I'm the one that has to lay down entire comics for you.
So answer my question. Do you think that thor can survive a universal explosion?
Originally posted by Sirius77I am not comparing him to them I am saying he had power to effect them who is far greater than Monarch so even without the power gem he completely owns Monarch based on these power feats. You say I am on the short bus but you fail to comprehend my point. Irony.
This is like debating with a kid from the short bus.You're seriously comparing Thor to Galactus and Exitar. If you make claims like that, then yes, it is your duty to prove ridiculous shit like that. I'm aware that thor cracked Exitar's shell and that he scared off Galactus, but he wasn't the first or the weakest to do do so. My point is that either of these characters would destroy thor without meaning to, so their mention is irrelevant.
Also where is your proof of Power Gem Thor being able to kill Galactus? Again if you are going to make ridiculous claims, then you should provide proof.
It doesn't matter how Monarch destroys the universe, thor cant survive it. He will not tank a universal destruction. The monitor didn't tank shit. His shield did. That was stated on panel. Apparently I'm the one that has to lay down entire comics for you.
So answer my question. Do you think that thor can survive a universal explosion?
I agree these characters can defeat Thor but they's also piss all over Monarch. Thor has the power to destroy Monarch's entire set of armor so he wins.
I said that if classic Thor can make Galactus fear for his life in the right situation I see no reason why a more powerful Thor can't do the same.
Monarch only destroys the universe when defeated and this chain reaction failed to kill anyone above top tier. If Monarch's armor is breached he loses. He does not pass go.
I think Thor wins the thread the moment he busts up the armor and with the power gem he most certainly would survive this chain reaction I mean a Monitor took it like it was nothing.
😂 oh Quan.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
The fact that he took MULTIPLE shots from Thanos with no significant effect. Yet a much weaker version of Thanos two shot him previously? Does that qualify?
Thor taking hits from Thanos does not in of itself prove he was amped. That's lunacy.
Thanos did not two shot Thor. That implies Thor was knocked out. He at best stunned Thor.
Besides, we saw Thor take blows before that incident from Thanos and he fared just fine. It's still my opinion that Thanos blasted Thor twice on panel, and kept on with his barrage like he said would until Thor was brought down to a knee. The Thanos blast during Blood and Thunder, was almost as effective as the attacks during the arc with Gem, which makes sense as Thanos has grown more powerful since then.
Also, the Thanosi clone offsets any attempts at low balling Thor with this showing. He took a crazy amount of punishment and could still not be put down by an energy web created by a clone vastly more powerful than the Titan. Just saying. 🙂
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
😂 oh Quan.Thor taking hits from Thanos does not in of itself prove he was amped. That's lunacy.
Thanos did not two shot Thor. That implies Thor was knocked out. He at best stunned Thor.
Besides, we saw Thor take blows before that incident from Thanos and he fared just fine. It's still my opinion that Thanos blasted Thor twice on panel, and kept on with his barrage like he said would until Thor was brought down to a knee. The Thanos blast during Blood and Thunder, was almost as effective as the attacks during the arc with Gem, which makes sense as Thanos has grown more powerful since then.
Also, the Thanosi clone offsets any attempts at low balling Thor with this showing. He took a crazy amount of punishment and could still not be put down by an energy web created by a clone vastly more powerful than the Titan. Just saying. 🙂
Of course he two shot Thor... Him blasting Thor twice with NO effect and Thor still standing and fighting back is an example of him NOT two shotting Thor. Thanos blasting thor TWICE which puts Thor on one kneee Dazed and unable to defend himself IS two shotting him. Not only that but it was stated numerous times throughout the arc that Thor was more powerful than his usual self, and the Thanos was fight along with his fight with the I.W. backed up that narration.