I don't want to see what Lucas wants.
JANGO HAS A ****ING BACKSTORY ALREADY.
It was a good one.
Lucas can't write.
HE NEVER COULD
ALL THE MOVIES SUCK
THE ONLY GOOD THINGS ABOUT STAR WARS IS THE EU.
MOTHER****ING GODDAMMIT LUCAS
Jango is a Mandalorian. He's a Mando and so is Boba. THat's their origin and it's well detailed and interesting.
Lucas can't see passed the ****ing dollar signs in his eyes.
Well, I like American Graffiti...THX-1138 is cool. A New Hope and ESB are f*cking awsome. Indiana Jones is cool, too. You actually think the movies suck, but you enjoy reading about them? Jango and Boba are not Mandalorian. Their old EU origin being interesting is just your opinion. Hasn't Boba's origin been in flux since the 2001 announcement of his appearance in AOTC?
He gets bashed because some guy had already written a story about his character. I guess Lucas can't see past the dollar signs in his eyes when he wants to tell the story of his character as he sees it...however horrible it may be. It'd be dumb on his part to limit his original vision 'cuz some kids sh*t their pants at the idea that Jango and Boba are no longer Mandalorian.
"THE ONLY GOOD THINGS ABOUT STAR WARS IS THE EU."
Then get ready, cuz I bet Lucas is gonna milk the Jango and Boba mythos he's gonna create now.
Originally posted by Anakin_the_Hutt
He's very involved in the Clone Wars TV series.
OT were good movies. Of prequels TPM was probably the best. Why was OT good? Because there were talented people working with Lucas. And he was still young, his vision was not blindly clouded with green colour.
He shouldn't have allowed any EU material at all. That's his big mistake. Why did he do that? Or at least made some restrictions for definite timelines. And he is a terrible storyteller. He might have a good overall vision, but when it comes to details, it usually looks childish. Replacing Wookies with Ewoks comes to mind.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
TPM was the best? What?
Storywise. ROTS looked rushed and the dialogues were the worst. Action was good though. Many actually agree that TPM storywise was the strongest. Forget Jar Jar. TPM looked more relaxed and there was no annoying grown-up Anakin Skywalker, curse him. I'm not saying EpII and III were bad, but something was missing there. There was more adventure in TPM.
Instead of annoying adult Anakin we get even more annoying child Anakin. And crappy Natalie Portman acting. And apathetic Neeson and McGregor acting. And hyper-annoying Jar Jar. And a plot that made sense on the face of it, but on the scale of typical Star Wars stories, was actually very unimportant (save for the the only two things that mattered--Anakin's discovery and Palpatine's election). Everything else was just so inconsequential. I mean in the long run... really, what did the blockade and battle mean? It was boring and mattered little to the saga as a whole. At least AotC gave us the mysterious Clone Wars, RotS killed the Jedi and formed the evil Empire.
TPM had... what? Maul? One movie later how many were reminiscing about how awful the Naboo occupation was? About how many people died (despite the audience never seeing any suffering from them whatsoever)? It is a bad, boring movie. I can't watch it anymore with the glaring flaws in story, acting, and production slapping me in the face. At least the other two movies had some cool battles and visuals. TPM gave us podracing and a lecture on legislative gridlock.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Instead of annoying adult Anakin we get even more annoying child Anakin. And crappy Natalie Portman acting. And apathetic Neeson and McGregor acting. And hyper-annoying Jar Jar. And a plot that made sense on the face of it, but on the scale of typical Star Wars stories, was actually very unimportant (save for the the only two things that mattered--Anakin's discovery and Palpatine's election). Everything else was just so inconsequential. I mean in the long run... really, what did the blockade and battle mean? It was boring and mattered little to the saga as a whole. At least AotC gave us the mysterious Clone Wars, RotS killed the Jedi and formed the evil Empire.TPM had... what? Maul? One movie later how many were reminiscing about how awful the Naboo occupation was? About how many people died (despite the audience never seeing any suffering from them whatsoever)? It is a bad, boring movie. I can't watch it anymore with the glaring flaws in story, acting, and production slapping me in the face. At least the other two movies had some cool battles and visuals. TPM gave us podracing and a lecture on legislative gridlock.
I think the Maul duel was quite cool.
So did I. But I've seen it enough times now to appreciate just how lacking it is in contrast to the other movie duels (AotC excepted, it's still the worst on my list). There just doesn't feel like there's anything on the line. It was essentially two good guys wading in the grass until a wild Sith appeared and Qui-Gon fainted. The single "good" moment was Obi-Wan screaming "No!" because it actually showed that his character was capable of an emotion beyond resentment.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
So did I. But I've seen it enough times now to appreciate just how lacking it is in contrast to the other movie duels (AotC excepted, it's still the worst on my list). There just doesn't feel like there's anything on the line. It was essentially two good guys wading in the grass until a wild Sith appeared and Qui-Gon fainted. The single "good" moment was Obi-Wan screaming "No!" because it actually showed that his character was capable of an emotion beyond resentment.
I thought we were only talking about visuals...
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Instead of annoying adult Anakin we get even more annoying child Anakin. And crappy Natalie Portman acting. And apathetic Neeson and McGregor acting. And hyper-annoying Jar Jar. And a plot that made sense on the face of it, but on the scale of typical Star Wars stories, was actually very unimportant (save for the the only two things that mattered--Anakin's discovery and Palpatine's election). Everything else was just so inconsequential. I mean in the long run... really, what did the blockade and battle mean? It was boring and mattered little to the saga as a whole. At least AotC gave us the mysterious Clone Wars, RotS killed the Jedi and formed the evil Empire.TPM had... what? Maul? One movie later how many were reminiscing about how awful the Naboo occupation was? About how many people died (despite the audience never seeing any suffering from them whatsoever)? It is a bad, boring movie. I can't watch it anymore with the glaring flaws in story, acting, and production slapping me in the face. At least the other two movies had some cool battles and visuals. TPM gave us podracing and a lecture on legislative gridlock.
I have to agree there with you. And I think Count Dooku was actually one of those that made PT interesting. As I was saying, II and III had good action scenes. But I don't need action only, I want story too. Space battle in EpIII was ruined by r2d owning super-battle droids and the stupid droid voices. And Padme was even worse in ROTS, including Anakin. Adventure-wise TPM owned the II and III. Dialogues were better in TPM, like it or not. The Naboo blockade made no sense, but still I liked the adventure. I hated all that midi-whatnot thing, small Anakin and cheesy Naboo, but the adventure was good nevertheless. Yes, II and III were clone wars related, or close to it, but it was again poorly presented. I somehow got more understanding of the Jedi in TPM, than in AOTC and ROTS. ROTS was rushed and too childish too. You can find good and bad things in any of PT.
I thought the whole idea with the Naboo conflict was that Palpatine stirred shit across the galaxy, to find an excuses for CIS to wage a war.
And I just want to clarify my comment, where I said that Lucas shouldn't have allowed EU. Well, the EU is good, very good, I love it (except that it's too overcrowded sometimes with the Sith), but if he simply dissolves many established facts after they've been around for ages, why allow those facts to be established in the first place?
Originally posted by Gambler
And I just want to clarify my comment, where I said that Lucas shouldn't have allowed EU. Well, the EU is good, very good, I love it (except that it's too overcrowded sometimes with the Sith), but if he simply dissolves many established facts after they've been around for ages, why allow those facts to be established in the first place?
Overcrowded with Sith? Don't you think you're overreacting a little?
*Looks at swtor.com* Damnit, I agree with you.
Uh, the EU is what funded the movies. Lucas practically created movie merchandising. A New Hope is the most successful independant film ever made. The toys, T-shirts, books and comics put money back in his pocket so he could make more movies. He did give restrictions back in the day - re: the Clone Wars and gave insight re: his personal notes regarding Obi-Wan's fight with Anakin and yes...EVEN MIDICHLORIANS back in the 70s.
No one could have predicted the Prequels, let alone Episode IV being a success. Lucas gambled for merchandising rights and it paid off. It's not that he doesn't care about the EU, it's that he's not letting it limit himself in a universe HE created. Didn't he add Aayla Secura to the films? And the Outrider in A New Hope? Look at what they (CWTV) did to Asajj Ventress' backstory. It's similar to how it is in the comics, but it obviously has been looked over and accommodated to Lucas' vision.
People may see it as blasphemy, but there are people who understand why. When Lucas is in the ground and the next generation sees the movies and watches the cartoons for the first time - they're NOT going to flip their shit because of how it was in the novels or comics. EU has been evolving since the Prequels came out. The EU is now evolving with this Clone Wars TV series - all because of Lucas. He's delivering HIS stories at the price of being bashed by his "most loyal fans". I think he cares more about Star Wars than his rep.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
I mean in the long run... really, what did the blockade and battle mean? It was boring and mattered little to the saga as a whole. At least AotC gave us the mysterious Clone Wars, RotS killed the Jedi and formed the evil Empire.
The blockade meant that a planet can be subjucated and the Republic wouldn't do anything about it. The battle meant to liberate the planet without the Republic's help.
It showed how pathetic the Republic was and how strong the character of our newly introduced heroes were.
It mattered MUCH to the saga as a whole - because of the blockade and the weakness the Republic showed, Palpatine was elected to fix things. If you don't see how that matters to the saga as a whole...then you need to watch TPM again. The blockade is the whole launching point of the saga in every way, buddy.
Originally posted by Anakin_the_HuttAnd all of that could have been achieved with a situation that actually feels like it means something. The goal of a movie shouldn't just be "whether it fit", it should also immerse the audience. I did not give two f*cks about what happened to Naboo. It is never told or shown why that planet matters, just that it exists and we're supposed to understand that everyone else in the movie cares.
The blockade meant that a planet can be subjucated and the Republic wouldn't do anything about it. The battle meant to liberate the planet without the Republic's help.It showed how pathetic the Republic was and how strong the character of our newly introduced heroes were.
It mattered MUCH to the saga as a whole - because of the blockade and the weakness the Republic showed, Palpatine was elected to fix things. If you don't see how that matters to the saga as a whole...then you need to watch TPM again. The blockade is the whole launching point of the saga in every way, buddy.
Which, incidentally, they aren't shown to. Portman/Knightley's stiff acting hints--hints that she cares. Panaka doesn't. The handmaidens do nothing. Ric Olie doesn't. The only Nubian who seems even remotely concerned is Sio Bibble, until we learn that his character is literally being forced to act like he cares. The Jedi are lax about the situation, the Senate is lax, Valorum (who is the strongest supporter) actually looks bored.
No one in the movie cares about Naboo and the "catastrophic death toll", so why should the audience?