Originally posted by Anakin_the_HuttAside from Bibble's acting, point out to me one character who is genuinely stressed about the invasion, subjugation, and occupation of Naboo. Cuz so far, we have Amidala's stone-face, Obi-Wan's blasé "What if it's true?", and... Bibble acting. I can't even think of that many in-movie references. If the characters barely show any emotion, how is the audience to relate?
Yeah, you either need to watch the movie again or your hate has, flat-out, blinded you.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Aside from Bibble's acting, point out to me one character who is genuinely stressed about the invasion, subjugation, and occupation of Naboo. Cuz so far, we have Amidala's stone-face, Obi-Wan's blasé "What if it's true?", and... Bibble acting. I can't even think of that many in-movie references. If the characters barely show any emotion, how is the audience to relate?
Palpatine...
Well, Qui-Gon seemed pretty convincing to me. So was Bibble when they were both trying to convince the Queen to get the hell outta Dodge and bring back help.
So was Qui-Gon's and Obi-Wan's reaction to the invasion army they stumbled across onboard the Federation Ship. Qui-Gon's immediate reaction was to warn the Naboo and contact the Supreme Chancellor. I believed he gave a crap. Obi-Wan's stupid joke should've gotten him a slap in the face...3 Stooges-style.
Why would the Chancellor secretly send out 2 Jedi to resolve the blockade matter if no one cared? I don't think he would send out 2 Jedi if they blockaded a Garbage planet. The fact that Naboo is inhabited and a part of the Republic is the reason Naboo is "important". It doesn't contain the Holy Grail or anything "Saga-wise", the fact that innocent people are being held hostage there makes the place "important". The fact that it's Palpatine's home, makes the sympathy work for him in getting elected.
Why do you keep referring to Bibble's concern "acting". He sent out a message with a gun to his head asking Padme to establish contact with him...every time his concern is shown, I do believe it's meant to be genuine.
Why would the Chancellor secretly send out 2 Jedi to resolve the blockade matter if no one cared?
Ooooh...so this is all a "I didn't FEEL IT from the actors" kinda-thing. Oh, I thought he was...okay. Yeah, I mean - sure, the actors could've done a better job in believing they cared about Naboo. Sure. I thought you...ah, nevermind.
I believe Movie Canon is the highest, but Boba and Jango aren't ever referred to as Mandalorians in the movies. Lucas says they aren't Mandalorian...is THAT canon? Is Lucas himself the highest form of canon? I think he can drop some canon down on commentaries and featurettes.
The old saying in film goes "Show, don't tell." We have to be told that Naboo means something, which is far less effective at immersing the audience than showing. Weird thing is, they didn't really tell us either.
And terrible acting aside, the Naboo crisis was irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. It's one thing to show us an entirely CGI battle and some nifty spaceships, but in the end, the entire blockade, invasion, and battle seemed like it accomplished nothing. Palpatine and Anakin, that was it. The whole prequel trilogy could have started off roughly where AotC comes in (with a number of tweaks, of course).
But that's a story for another time...
Spoiler:
I don't hate The Phantom Menace by any means, though I am cognizant of its many flaws and unnecessary quirks. But, essentially, Lucien is correct: There were many better ways in which one could introduce the story. Rather, TPM comes off like an afterthought compared to Attack of the Clones and The Revenge of the Sith. In terms of the larger arc, its only significance is that the events of the story are orchestrated by Palpatine to ensure his election. To sum it up, though Anakin is ostensibly the protagonist, the end reveals that it's simply all about Palpatine.
You got Lumiya, Carnor Jax, Reborn Palpatine, Disciples of Ragnos, Caedus, The Lost Tribe (all within 40 years). And during and after that you have the One Sith. In less than two centuries you get all these individuals and groups with the Sith titles.
Before that you have the Ancient Sith, Sith Empire-in-Exile, Sorcerers of Tund, Freedon Nadd, the Naddists, the Krath, Brotherhood of the Sith, Revan and Malak, Sith Triumvirate, Brotherhood of Darkness, Mecrosa, Dark Force, and finally the Rule of Two.
Jebus...
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
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Before that you have the Ancient Sith, Sith Empire-in-Exile, Sorcerers of Tund, Freedon Nadd, the Naddists, the Krath, Brotherhood of the Sith, Revan and Malak, Sith Triumvirate, Brotherhood of Darkness, Mecrosa, Dark Force, and finally the Rule of Two.
Jebus...
The difference is that those before the New Republic are all in a span of 5000 years or more.
Originally posted by truejedi
I believe movie is higher canon though, right?
It is but nothing in the movie itself actually says Jango is a mandaloiran. Anyway, while I can't find the featurette of Filioni saying Lucas says Jango is not a Mandalorian I have found this. Watch at about 2:00 the guy denys that Jango was a mandalorian.
Originally posted by ares834
It is but nothing in the movie itself actually says Jango is a mandaloiran. Anyway, while I can't find the featurette of Filioni saying Lucas says Jango is not a Mandalorian I have found this. Watch at about 2:00 the guy denys that Jango was a mandalorian.
Interesting that Lucasfims still haven't taken down those episodes.
When that Mandalorian says to Obi-wan that "Mandalorian violent past is behind them", comes to mind Lucas' pacifistic Endor, where a bunch of teddy-bears defeated Palpatine's best stormtrooper Legion. Lucas lets his pacifism interfere with the whole idea of "war", you can see that by his strange conception of waging a war in OT, as well as in PT. Should have hired a military adviser. He could have shown Mandalorians not as hippie pacifists, but simply as a militaristic culture, that has suspended it's active role in the Galactic wars.
Spoiler:
I rather like the idea of the New Mandalorians; I can't imagine a culture that has routinely had its ass kicked by the greater galaxy over the course of four millennia wouldn't consider changing their ways. It also enables us to explore a terrorist organization in the form of the Death Watch.