Team Lantern vs. Team Cosmic

@GalacticStorm, Galan, WWK

I can't comment on the ZH Parallax scans, I don't read much DC. I just thought he was basically Green Lantern Prime. But if GS is right and all he did was "apply pressure on a choke point" if you will, then his feat isn't impressive at all.

If Galan is right and he remade the entire DC multiverse using nothing but his own power, then he obviously soloes the whole crew.

Regarding the PF, I posted scans from Marvel in another thread stating :
a) a multiverse is a collection of 616 and all parallel universes (what if's, alternate earths, pocket dimensions, etc...) confirmed on panel and in handbooks
b) the M'krann Crystal exists on all planes of reality in the multiverse simultaneously (it's been called "the nexus of all realities"😉 and this is confirmed on panel and in handbooks
b) the PF home plane is inside the Crystal (confirmed on panel and in handbooks)

That means there isn't a PF of Earth 616 or a PF of Earth 1254. There is only THE PF of the White Hot Room at the center of the Nexus of All Realities that sends parts/aspects of it, into the infinite number of universes that make up the multiverse.

Meaning the PF is multiversal (confirmed in a handbook) and all it's alternate universe showings count (both high and low). So it's at least capable of universe level destruction at a minimum. In fact some of the VERY RARE on panel universe level destruction feats not involving a plot device (HotI or UN) in Marvel are done by the PF and no other abstract or "God".

Originally posted by zopzop
@GalacticStorm, Galan, WWK

I can't comment on the ZH Parallax scans, I don't read much DC. I just thought he was basically Green Lantern Prime. But if GS is right and all he did was "apply pressure on a choke point" if you will, then his feat isn't impressive at all.

If Galan is right and he remade the entire DC multiverse using nothing but his own power, then he obviously soloes the whole crew.

Regarding the PF, I posted scans from Marvel in another thread stating :
a) a multiverse is a collection of 616 and all parallel universes (what if's, alternate earths, pocket dimensions, etc...) confirmed on panel and in handbooks
b) the M'krann Crystal exists on all planes of reality in the multiverse simultaneously (it's been called "the nexus of all realities"😉 and this is confirmed on panel and in handbooks
b) the PF home plane is inside the Crystal (confirmed on panel and in handbooks)

That means there isn't a PF of Earth 616 or a PF of Earth 1254. There is only THE PF of the White Hot Room at the center of the Nexus of All Realities that sends parts/aspects of it, into the infinite number of universes that make up the multiverse.

Meaning the PF is multiversal (confirmed in a handbook) and all it's alternate universe showings count (both high and low). So it's at least capable of universe level destruction at a minimum. In fact some of the VERY RARE on panel universe level destruction feats not involving a plot device (HotI or UN) in Marvel are done by the PF and no other abstract or "God".

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GS: No offense, but I'm not going to take the time to type up a long rebuttal to your last post. In the end I know you're more likely to downplay anything presented, then you are to acknowledge Phoenix possibly losing a battle. Plus, I already see this thread turning into a pissing-contest... And I really want no part of that.

So I bid thee good day. 🙂

Originally posted by Galan007
GS: No offense, but I'm not going to take the time to type up a long rebuttal to your last post. In the end I know you're more likely to downplay anything presented, then you are to acknowledge Phoenix possibly losing a battle. Plus, I already see this thread turning into a pissing-contest... And I really want no part of that.

So I bid thee good day. 🙂

How so?

Thats a misinterpretation on your part Galan because i dont know what part of any of my posts ive directed at you can be misconstrued in such a manner.

You yourself said that you havent read the relevant issues for a while, so why dont you actually do that to see what im talking about.

Parallax never unleashed a creation destroying blast. He applied pressure to a crux point at the end of time thereby triggering a wave of entropy to sweep through creation.

Parallax never made creation from scratch, as stated he used chronal energies and therefore time manipulation to selectively bring back desirable bits of reality wiped out by entropy.

Instead of accusing me of being biased, why dont you go away and refresh your memory on the comics we're actually debating about 😬

Again, no offense intended, but I've stated my piece and I'll leave it at that. Don't feel like getting into a pages-long debate, tbh.

And yes, you are biased when it comes to Phoenix... But we all tend to have a bias toward a character in some way/shape/form, so it's not that big of a deal.

Originally posted by Galan007
Again, no offense intended, but I've stated my piece and I'll leave it at that. Don't feel like getting into a pages-long debate, tbh.

And yes, you are biased when it comes to Phoenix... But we all tend to have a bias toward a character in some way/shape/form, so it's not that big of a deal.

You could argue that.

But i'd prefer to say that many people just under-estimate the character. All of my points i claim are stated on panel, no supposition on my part 🙂

As for the Parallax points, do have a read of the comic when you find the time and remember this thread 😉

Nah, I think that most people simply wouldn't want to admit they are biased when it comes to particular characters. /shrug

I might reread that series, but when I get around to it, it's doubtful that I'll remember this thread. 😛

My vote is on Future Franklin Full potential. As a toddler hes creating universes and Galactus. This being with the majority of his power under self imposed blocks. I can't even begin to guess what full power would be.

Anyone on team 2 can potentially solo.

Owen definitely solos.

^ You honestly think current MM would solo? Honestly?

Originally posted by Galan007
^ You honestly think current MM would solo? Honestly?

But I may be wrong. I'm not the biggest cookie in the jar 😛

He certainly isn't a pushover (unless you're Sentry 😛) but I still can't imagine him soloing. Just MO, though.

Originally posted by Galan007
He certainly isn't a pushover (unless you're Sentry 😛) but I still can't imagine him soloing. Just MO, though.

Are we talking about current MM? Or Pre-retconned? Cause current isn't soling.

Originally posted by Galan007
GS: No offense, but I'm not going to take the time to type up a long rebuttal to your last post. In the end I know you're more likely to downplay anything presented, then you are to acknowledge Phoenix possibly losing a battle. Plus, I already see this thread turning into a pissing-contest... And I really want no part of that.

So I bid thee good day. 🙂

boo!

fight! fight! fight!

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