Emma Frost vs. Charles Xavior
This are current versions of the combatants. Battle takes place in Utopia with everyone in awe of what is happening before them. Emma is under the belief that Charles intends to mind wipe Scott in order to reform his personal X-men. Charles is under the impression that Emma has made Magneto catatonic for crimes previously committed. No PIS,CIS, or outside help.
P.S. If this has been done before can someone provide a link.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/search.php?action=showresults&q=title%3A%28Emma+Frost+vs+Xavier%29&showposts=0
I can see why nothing showed up though... you know, mispelling his name and all.
And Emma runs over and punches Charles in the face.
Originally posted by 753
^nahhe locks her diamond form like exodus did and they engage in telepathic battle from which he'll come out on top everytime
Except it was Emma who did that to Exodus and Xavier couldn't do that to Exodus as shown with what he did to Magneto and Omega Sentinel. Same writer, same book and only a few issues apart from each other. Emma smacks him around in diamond form every single time. And she'll take a very good chunk out of his 10 if she just used telepathy.
Originally posted by ExodusCloaklolwut? exodus and emma did it to each other and xavier engaged exodus in astral combat and came out on top while IIRC emma needed dust to do him in. there is no contest between who is the stronger telepath out of these 2, her diamond form wouldnt come into play while they are locked ona tp battle and thus she loses.
Except it was Emma who did that to Exodus and Xavier couldn't do that to Exodus. Same writer, same book and only a few issues apart from each other. Emma smacks him around in diamond form every single time. And she'll take a very good chunk out of his 10 if she just used telepathy.
Originally posted by 753
lolwut? exodus and emma did it to each other and xavier engaged exodus in astral combat and came out on top while IIRC emma needed dust to do him in. there is no contest between who is the stronger telepath out of these 2, her diamond form wouldnt come into play while they are locked ona tp battle and thus she loses.
No, if your read the scans Emma was the one who engaged Exodus in astral combat. That's why he said it was a clever tactic by her.
Xavier was unable to do the same when he fought Exodus hence Magneto getting owned.
Also to add onto that. Exodus was not trying to kill him in that X-Men Legacy issue as stated numerous times by Bennet. Exodus was trying to coerce him into leading the Acolytes. All Xavier did was break out of Exodus's illusion loop which was mean to coerce.
I wouldn't use X-Men Legacy feats for Xavier if I were you. He just ended getting psychically pimp slapped by Exodus, Sinister, Emma and Ms. Sinister.
BTW Emma was also cited as a more powerful telepath then Exodus with him in the room by the very same writer and she blocked Xavier in WWH after his upgrade. So again he'd be hard pressed taking her down in pure TP. She'd smack him around every time in Diamond Form.
I give Xavier the slight win in pure TP on nostalgia and his status on Marvel Earth, she wins when it comes to consistency with feats though.
Originally posted by ExodusCloakwhat? chuck was already engaging exodus in astral combat when magneto came at him. the fact that he didnt shut exodus's tk down during that particular fight means what exactly, that he couldnt possibly do it to emma or exodus even though the arc made it clear that he was superior to exodus during their final exchanges?
No, if your read the scans Emma was the one who engaged Exodus in astral combat. That's why he said it was a clever tactic by her.Xavier was unable to do the same when he fought Exodus hence Magneto getting owned.
wrong, by the end of their confrontation exodus claimed he would undo his restoration and destroy xavier's mind again and failed.
Also to add onto that. Exodus was not trying to kill him in that X-Men Legacy issue as stated numerous times by Bennet. Exodus was trying to coerce him into leading the Acolytes. All Xavier did was break out of Exodus's illusion loop which was mean to coerce.
I wouldn't use X-Men Legacy feats for Xavier if I were you. He just ended getting psychically pimp slapped by Exodus, Sinister, Emma and Ms. Sinister.
orly? only boobytraps worked against him, emma's and romulus. he expelled sinister from himself and tactically defeated mrs sinister
really? when was she referred to as stronger than exodus? but more importantly, when did she beat him on her own? when did she beat sinister on her own for that matter?
BTW Emma was also cited as a more powerful telepath then Exodus with him in the room by the very same writer and she blocked Xavier in WWH after his upgrade. So again he'd be hard pressed taking her down in pure TP. She'd smack him around every time in Diamond Form.
yes, it's a simple stablished fact that chuck>emma and they both know it.
I give Xavier the slight win in pure TP on nostalgia and his status on Marvel Earth, she wins when it comes to consistency with feats though. [/B]
what? chuck was already engaging exodus in astral combat when magneto came at him. the fact that he didnt shut exodus's tk down during that particular fight means what excatly, that he cokldnt possibly do it to emma or exodus even though the arc made it clear that he was superior to exodus during their final exchanges?
Exodus was not fighting him. That's what you don't seem to be getting. Exodus states it multiple times. It was a trip down memory lane. A psychic loop meant to get Charles to see the error in his ways and lead the Acolytes.
And yes there's no getting around that. Xavier could NOT and did NOT shut off Exodus's TK. Emma made sure ALL of Exodus's EXTRA powers were gone by removing her own.
Except you're using this fight to say Charles beat Exodus. He did not, you missed the entire premise of their encounter. He broke out of an illusion meant to coerce. And the fact regarding the aformentioned TK means that Exodus could have crushed his skull whenever he wanted to.
wrong, by the end of their confrontation exodus claimed he would undo his restoration and destroy xavier's mind again and failed.orly? only boobytraps worked against him, emma's and romulus. he expelled sinister from himself and tactically defeated mrs sinister
Stop pulling things out of context. I don't want to fight you but I will destroy what's left of your mind. He did not in the second issue he did not. He was asking Xavier to yield.
And lulz he actually says the exact OPPOSITE of what you're saying at the end.
Oh really? Boobytraps? Do you want me to pull out Silver Age feats of Xavier getting punked? So Emma blocking him in WWH? Yeah.
really? when was she referred to as stronger than exodus? but more importantly, when did she beat him on her own? when did she beat sinister on her own for that matter?
X-Men Annual #1 (Mike Carey). Return of Exodus annual. When did Xavier beat Exodus? He got and Jean were helpless in Bloodties. And they were not fighting in Legacy, it was a coercion tactic.
He got smacked around by Mr. Sinister.
Emma blocked Mr. Sinister and his other psychic cronies from half way across the world, while giving a O.N.E. Sentinel operative a nose bleed with no aid.
Originally posted by 753
yes, it's a simple stablished fact that chuck>emma and they both know it.
I said I'd give it to him based on nostalgia. In the MU they're rivals. So I don't see why you think he trounces her? If they encountered now given the context I have a feeling the writers would give her the win. That would ruin your day though.
Actually I hope Emma faces Loki in the X-Men: Serve and Protect issue...can't wait to see what happens there. 😖hifty:
If this was a pure TP battle on the astral plane, I'd side with Charles. He does have more powerful feats of using the minds of an entire planet's population as a weapon. He's done this at least twice IIRC.
Emma, is more cunning and sneaky with her TP, but there's no skill difference between them like with her and Rachel. Xavier is just as skilled, and has more years of experience.
Now if this isn't just a TP battle, then she simply turns to Diamond Form, and snaps his neck.
Originally posted by ExodusCloakexodus last attack was meant to shatter xavier's mind and afterwards chuck comments on how it failed because he was no longer the same man because of the memory alterations
[B]Exodus was not fighting him. That's what you don't seem to be getting. Exodus states it multiple times. It was a trip down memory lane. A psychic loop meant to get Charles to see the error in his ways and lead the Acolytes.And yes there's no getting around that. Xavier could NOT and did NOT shut off Exodus's TK. Emma made sure ALL of Exodus's EXTRA powers were gone by removing her own.
Except you're using this fight to say Charles beat Exodus. He did not, you missed the entire premise of their encounter. He broke out of an illusion meant to coerce. And the fact regarding the aformentioned TK means that Exodus could have crushed his skull whenever he wanted to.
he did try to destroy what was left of his mind with his last attack and chuck makes it clear afterwards that it wouldnt work again and that if exodus tried it, chuck would destroy him. not to mention in a later story chuck hacked all the acolytes dreams, invaded their complex and schooled exodus again, story made it clear they were at his mercy
Stop pulling things out of context. I don't want to fight you but I will destroy what's left of your mind. He did not in the second issue he did not. He was asking Xavier to yield.And lulz he actually says the exact OPPOSITE of what you're saying at the end.
nice dodge, you were talking about the legacy run wanna start a lowballing contest? chuck's higher end feats punk hers
Oh really? Boobytraps? Do you want me to pull out Silver Age feats of Xavier getting punked? So Emma blocking him in WWH? Yeah.
well, read what you will into it
X-Men Annual #1 (Mike Carey). Return of Exodus annual. When did Xavier beat Exodus? He got and Jean were helpless in Bloodties. And they were not fighting in Legacy, it was a coercion tactic.
through tp? when was this?
He got smacked around by Mr. Sinister.
when the day comes that she defeats him in astral battle like chuck did when purging him from his body, i'll be more impressed
Emma blocked Mr. Sinister and his other psychic cronies from half way across the world, while giving a O.N.E. Sentinel operative a nose bleed with no aid.
you wish. she iosnt as powerfull, never has been and whenever they face off, it's made clear he has the stonger mind, even when she wins through traps and such
I said I'd give it to him based on nostalgia. In the MU they're rivals. So I don't see why you think he trounces her? If they encountered now given the context I have a feeling the writers would give her the win. That would ruin your day though.
Originally posted by 753
exodus last attack was meant to shatter xavier's mind and afterwards chuck comments on how it failed because he was no longer the same man because of the memory alterationshe did try to destroy what was left of his mind with his last attack and chuck makes it clear afterwards that it wouldnt work again and that if exodus tried it, chuck would destroy him. not to mention in a later story chuck hacked all the acolytes dreams, invaded their complex and schooled exodus again, story made it clear they were at his mercy
I'm going to do this line by line because you're ridiculous.
Your claim, that the last attack was meant to shatter Xavier's mind. Oh really show me. Please show me where Exodus in the fight claimed to do that. Show me where Exodus was motivated to destroy Xavier. The issue states the exact opposite.
What is Exodus doing? Psychic illusions.
Is Exodus trying to destroy him here? Coerce him to use his powers against humans.
Oh and here's where you claim Exodus was trying to destroy his mind. What does he ask? Yield or what? He'll torture him with more illusions.
Oh and here's Exodus's reason. Not to fight to coerce. I'd also scan the last page of the previous issue for you but I'm lazy so have look. His motives was not to fight. As proved by this issue by not crushing Charles head telekinetically.
Oh and in the later story you are refering to. Omega Sentinel switched off the Acolytes TP-blockers. However, you are wrong again. Him and Exodus did not engage in battle and he did not hack Exodus's dreams. So where is this schooled Exodus thing coming from?
nice dodge, you were talking about the legacy run wanna start a lowballing contest? chuck's higher end feats punk hers
WWH: X-Men Emma blocked him. Legacy he didn't even see Emma coming. You claim that he can only be beaten when he's snuck up on. That is not true. Jack of Diamonds anyone?
She is more consistent then him I give him the slight edge in TP because of his status nothing else. Emma punked Super Skrull telepaths 7 of them on Cerebra's designed to take on the X-Men. Charles gets taken down by ONE.
through tp? when was this?
when the day comes that she defeats him in astral battle like chuck did when purging him from his body, i'll be more impressed
LOLOLOL, Charles did not purge him from his body. Read please before you post. Mr. Sinister kicked Charles ass on the astral plane in X-Men Legacy Sins of a father. Gambit and Sebastian Shaw destroyed Sinisters machine. Hence freeing Xavier. What books are you reading? Legacy is not a run you should be using to make a case for Charles.
you wish. she iosnt as powerfull, never has been and whenever they face off, it's made clear he has the stonger mind, even when she wins through traps and such
She's been cited as his rival in power more then once and in the same Legacy issue where she has him rolling on the floor pleading. She has blocked him in WWH: X-Men.
You lowball Emma's telepathy for god knows what reason. She's his rival he'd be hardpressed to take her down. Your knowledge on Xavier is also lacking. I know what your previous user name is too. You're the same one who claimed Xavier was a saint, and that he was retconned into a douche. Only showing your lack of knowledge on the X-Men as he was always a douche.
Furthermore, Xavier and Emma have never faced off. The only thing you could even consider a "fight" would be when she kidnapped him in the UXM #129, when she blocked him in WWH: X-Men and when she had him rolling on the floor pleading in X-Men Legacy #215/#216.
So don't give that crap. I told you already I give him the slight win on nostalgia and his status in the MU. Other then that the writers themselves have her as his rival in power. He himself has called her an Omega Level Telepath and a Psi of the Highest order.
Plus in this thread she just punches his face off in Diamond Form every single time.
