I was wondering, how would this feat be interpreted?

Originally posted by carver9
Did I say that goku could fly faster then light? I guess some people don't understand the difference between combat speed and flight speed. Goku small outburst of speed is MUCH faster than flying nimbus. So comparing the two is irrelevant since goku is much faster "SHORT BURST" wise. His combat speed is on a different level than his travel speed. Put nimbus and goku in a ring and see who can move the fastest and goku speed would be far greater.

I'll have to elaborate on my example since it wasn't understood. Goku can travel/fly/whatever faster than the nimbus cloud yet he still used it in the early portions of Dragonball Z. In fact one could argue that Goku doesn't actually become faster than his cloud up until he fights Piccolo at the end of Dragonball. So why doe Goku still need the cloud even thought he's faster than it?

Granted that there is a difference between combat speed and travel speed, Goku's speed isn't that great for him to just outrun the blast before it registers to the audience, get Roshi glasses, and run back to hit Tien before he notices: In fact he could've just knew where Roshi was and ran too him while he was stunned by the attack all the while not looking at Tien when performing the attack. However this whole thing could just be a mishap to explain how he was able to counter Tien's upcoming attack without any hesitation.

Seriously if this one feat was taken as so in Goku's speed feats, it'd outdo anything speedfeat he's ever done in Dragonball Z.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
I'll have to elaborate on my example since it wasn't understood. Goku can travel/fly/whatever faster than the nimbus cloud yet he still used it in the early portions of Dragonball Z. In fact one could argue that Goku doesn't actually become faster than his cloud up until he fights Piccolo at the end of Dragonball. So why doe Goku still need the cloud even thought he's faster than it?

Granted that there is a difference between combat speed and travel speed, Goku's speed isn't that great for him to just outrun the blast before it registers to the audience, get Roshi glasses, and run back to hit Tien before he notices: In fact he could've just knew where Roshi was and ran too him while he was stunned by the attack all the while not looking at Tien when performing the attack. However this whole thing could just be a mishap to explain how he was able to counter Tien's upcoming attack without any hesitation.

Seriously if this one feat was taken as so in Goku's speed feats, it'd outdo anything speedfeat he's ever done in Dragonball Z.

Of course he used nimbus, why not when it takes energy and ki to fly? The FACT is, goku is faster than nimbus... another FACT is goku outran the solar flare... another FACT is roshi and krillin also have nano seconds feats... another FACT is DBZ gave hints on ftl feats, you all just ignored it.

All of the rest of your post is irrelevant because you are "adding" on to the scene and adding things that did not happen.

Originally posted by carver9
Of course he used nimbus, why not when it takes energy and ki to fly? The FACT is, goku is faster than nimbus... another FACT is goku outran the solar flare... another FACT is roshi and krillin also have nano seconds feats... another FACT is DBZ gave hints on ftl feats, you all just ignored it.

All of the rest of your post is irrelevant because you are "adding" on to the scene and adding things that did not happen.

How in the hell is any of that actually explainable? It's and inconsistency, it happens in manga series. The only truth in this whole statement that is canon solid is Goku being faster than the nimbus. When in the hell has anyone in DBZ shown light-speed let alone FTL?

I'm not adding on to anything, I'm explaining a feat that doesn't really need an explaination. Not looking at the attack and swiping Roshi's glasses sound hell of a lot more believeble than being FTL as far as Dragonball feats are concerned.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
How in the hell is any of that actually explainable? It's and inconsistency, it happens in manga series. The only truth in this whole statement that is canon solid is Goku being faster than the nimbus. When in the hell has anyone in DBZ shown light-speed let alone FTL?

I'm not adding on to anything, I'm explaining a feat that doesn't really need an explaination. Not looking at the attack and swiping Roshi's glasses sound hell of a lot more believeble than being FTL as far as Dragonball feats are concerned.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Are you kidding? I am constantly facepalming at everything, not just Dragonball. Didn't i just comment on how moronic some of the writers are for comics you referenced that were not Dragonball?

It's clear from the equation above that mass doesn't affect the speed of a fall, as speed, v, is only a function of the variables h (height) and g (the local gravitational acceleration).

Yet somehow...

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Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
How in the hell is any of that actually explainable? It's and inconsistency, it happens in manga series. The only truth in this whole statement that is canon solid is Goku being faster than the nimbus. When in the hell has anyone in DBZ shown light-speed let alone FTL?

I'm not adding on to anything, I'm explaining a feat that doesn't really need an explaination. Not looking at the attack and swiping Roshi's glasses sound hell of a lot more believeble than being FTL as far as Dragonball feats are concerned.

What's inconsistent? Goku moving at tremendous speeds that people try to deny and try to low ball?

Again, you are adding onto the feat. First you have to prove that goku knew where roshi was. Then you have to prove that goku didn't look at the attack. Are you able to do any of this or are you going to ignore the obvious?

Goku has been outracing blast since the beginning...been doing things that speedsters throughout marvel and dc speedsters fail to do during combat so them performing light speed feats shouldn't be something "outstanding" for a character like goku. Since he has been doing it since childhood (with the feats that was shown in this thread), it helps out a lot of thing liiike, why picollo was so shocked at raditz dodging his blast at point blank range. Or we have the frieza incident where frieza shot his matter destroying blast at super saiyan goku at point blank range and goku dodging it with ease. That could be why frieza was so shocked about goku dodging his blast.

There are numerous of other things like krillin and roshi super speed movements that happened in less than a second and goku by the end of dragonball being far faster.

Originally posted by carver9
What's inconsistent? Goku moving at tremendous speeds that people try to deny and try to low ball?

Again, you are adding onto the feat. First you have to prove that goku knew where roshi was. Then you have to prove that goku didn't look at the attack. Are you able to do any of this or are you going to ignore the obvious?

Goku has been outracing blast since the beginning...been doing things that speedsters throughout marvel and dc speedsters fail to do during combat so them performing light speed feats shouldn't be something "outstanding" for a character like goku. Since he has been doing it since childhood (with the feats that was shown in this thread), it helps out a lot of thing liiike, why picollo was so shocked at raditz dodging his blast at point blank range. Or we have the frieza incident where frieza shot his matter destroying blast at super saiyan goku at point blank range and goku dodging it with ease. That could be why frieza was so shocked about goku dodging his blast.

There are numerous of other things like krillin and roshi super speed movements that happened in less than a second and goku by the end of dragonball being far faster.

Originally posted by Astner
That reminds me.

It's clear from the equation above that mass doesn't affect the speed of a fall, as speed, v, is only a function of the variables h (height) and g (the local gravitational acceleration).

Yet somehow...

the mysteries of acceleration were not fundamentaly solved, while it is true that continuos calculus is a solid and valid argument, the calculus of finite difference is necessary to under stand.

Fundamental signal theory based on a new kind of science by stephen worlfram. Tells us that an infinity of symbols exist and though arbitrary correspondence is possible, even the simplest of signals a single dimensionless bit can have infinite information content under the right interpretation or arbitrary rule.

Thus one needs to find the connection between the finite and the infinite. FTL is not fundamentally impossible it just involves infinities too which mathematicians are allergic.

Originally posted by carver9
What's inconsistent? Goku moving at tremendous speeds that people try to deny and try to low ball?

Again, you are adding onto the feat. First you have to prove that goku knew where roshi was. Then you have to prove that goku didn't look at the attack. Are you able to do any of this or are you going to ignore the obvious?

Goku has been outracing blast since the beginning...been doing things that speedsters throughout marvel and dc speedsters fail to do during combat so them performing light speed feats shouldn't be something "outstanding" for a character like goku. Since he has been doing it since childhood (with the feats that was shown in this thread), it helps out a lot of thing liiike, why picollo was so shocked at raditz dodging his blast at point blank range. Or we have the frieza incident where frieza shot his matter destroying blast at super saiyan goku at point blank range and goku dodging it with ease. That could be why frieza was so shocked about goku dodging his blast.

There are numerous of other things like krillin and roshi super speed movements that happened in less than a second and goku by the end of dragonball being far faster.

Nobody here is undermining Goku's speed. It just isn't lightspeed or FTL for that matter. Moving really fast to the point where your opponent can't see you isn't uncommon in a lot of manga series. Just because Goku can react to lightning doesn't really make him FTL either even though there is canon evidence of his increase in power throughout the whole DBZ series.

Frieza can destroy matter now?

Something happening in less than a second doesn't necessarily mean lightspeed either. Roshi and Krillin having nano-second reaction(at least in Dragonball anyway) is a no....unless there's a specific scene where they actually show it.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Nobody here is undermining Goku's speed. It just isn't lightspeed or FTL for that matter. Moving really fast to the point where your opponent can't see you isn't uncommon in a lot of manga series. Just because Goku can react to lightning doesn't really make him FTL either even though there is canon evidence of his increase in power throughout the whole DBZ series.

Frieza can destroy matter now?

Something happening in less than a second doesn't necessarily mean lightspeed either. Roshi and Krillin having nano-second reaction(at least in Dragonball anyway) is a no....unless there's a specific scene where they actually show it.

No one moves on the level of dbz characters wen it comes to combat. You might have someone in the manga that can blink out and reappear but they can't fight at "constant" super speed.

You got it all wrong, the youngest and under powered goku reacted to lightning... a goku by the end of dbz was FAR above that goku in the speed department. Then we have another weak version of goku outracing the solar flare.

Again, akira gave you all hints on dbz charactters vs light speed. Piccolo said to raditz, "he dodged it, he moves faster than, faster than" but he never finished the sentence. Its pretty obvious what akira wanted us to know but again, you are ignoring it.

I know something happening in less than a second doesn't mean light speed but I want you to think for a bit... think of ALL the things roshi and krillin did in that second and when you do that, come back and holla at yow boy.

Originally posted by carver9
No one moves on the level of dbz characters wen it comes to combat. You might have someone in the manga that can blink out and reappear but they can't fight at "constant" super speed.

You got it all wrong, the youngest and under powered goku reacted to lightning... a goku by the end of dbz was FAR above that goku in the speed department. Then we have another weak version of goku outracing the solar flare.

Again, akira gave you all hints on dbz charactters vs light speed. Piccolo said to raditz, "he dodged it, he moves faster than, faster than" but he never finished the sentence. Its pretty obvious what akira wanted us to know but again, you are ignoring it.

Piccolo could've said various things. Once again, just beacuse someone has ungodly amounts of speed doesn't automatically mean its lightspeed.

Originally posted by carver9
I know something happening in less than a second doesn't mean light speed but I want you to think for a bit... think of ALL the things roshi and krillin did in that second and when you do that, come back and holla at yow boy.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
There are manga series that have super-speed fights too. Speed scaling and the duration of the fight differ but Dragonball Z isn't the only one that does it. OP actually has people that move at lightspeed granted its limited to an extent.

Piccolo could've said various things. Once again, just beacuse someone has ungodly amounts of speed doesn't automatically mean its lightspeed.

Like get their asses kicked. 😆 Seriously! one's been obsolete since Piccolo's debut, the other is the "King of Fail". Whatever they have it's not lightspeed and I'm not even sure it nano-second reaction speed. There aren't any people in DBZ that can move FTL or at lightspeed for that matter.

Again, if you ignore EVERYTHING that has happened on panel then yes dbz isn't fast as light and even with low showings, I wouldn't even know what speed feat COMBAT wise that you can use as a low showing to suggest that they can't fight at light speed.

Piccolo said what I just told you and again, its pretty obvious what akira wanted us to think... a child would know this.

When has someone on dbz with superior speed ever get their a** kicked?

Why wasn't it a nano second feat when krillin and roshi performed an entire routine PLUS taunting each other instantly? They performed numerous of tactics in less than a second. If dbz can do this during their weakest, there is no telling what goku during the beginning of dbz was capable of doing speed wise.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
There are manga series that have super-speed fights too. Speed scaling and the duration of the fight differ but Dragonball Z isn't the only one that does it. OP actually has people that move at lightspeed granted its limited to an extent.

Piccolo could've said various things. Once again, just beacuse someone has ungodly amounts of speed doesn't automatically mean its lightspeed.

Like get their asses kicked. 😆 Seriously! one's been obsolete since Piccolo's debut, the other is the "King of Fail". Whatever they have it's not lightspeed and I'm not even sure it nano-second reaction speed. There aren't any people in DBZ that can move FTL or at lightspeed for that matter.

Originally posted by Creshosk
You're wasting your breath. This is a guy who thinks that everything said in DBZ is Akira toriyama saying that "this is the way it is" even when its shown to clearly not be the case. And if a villian is wrong, if you call him a liar due to how often he's wrong, you're calling Akira Toriyama a liar according to him.

If you listen to this guy he apply real world logic to comic books.

Originally posted by carver9
If you listen to this guy he apply real world logic to comic books.

Have a question... how fast would someone have to be to be in the heart of a nuclear blast... basically surrounded by it and while the nuclear blast is detonating, they escape it without being touched and outrace the blast but remember, this person was in the heart of the blast, right in the center.

You all are master caculators, how fast would someone have to be to outrace a nuclear blast straight from the center of it without it scraping a piece of your body?

By the way astner, that was a light speed feat just like the raditz feat and just like the freiza eye vs goku feat.

Originally posted by carver9
Have a question... how fast would someone have to be to be in the heart of a nuclear blast... basically surrounded by it and while the nuclear blast is detonating, they escape it without being touched and outrace the blast but remember, this person was in the heart of the blast, right in the center.

You all are master caculators, how fast would someone have to be to outrace a nuclear blast straight from the center of it without it scraping a piece of your body?

Can someone answer this post please.

Originally posted by carver9
From what I am seeing, it appears as if tien blast took place before goku ran off, goku then outrace the blast, gets roshi glasses and put them on before the attack even registered.

Not goin' to say I'm with'ya on this, I aint. But had this been any other manga (Not Dragonball, Z or GT). What you stated above is what 90% of this forum would have said happened.

Rampant bias, inconsistencies, and double standards ahoy!