Anyway, the Doctor rips open the time vortex in the TARDIS while safely tucked away in a time-free dimension (he has access to at least a couple of those from what I remember in the comics), thus destroying the universe or multiverse depending on your interpretation. He also simultaneously triggers a galaxy-busting bomb keyed to his DNA so that he is the only one unaffected. Both of these have canon examples to back them.
He then traps Doom in a mirror. Also a valid feat.
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I dunno. Seems horribly one-sided to me, given the OP. Doom/Kang need prep to stand a chance. The Doctor and his inventions are a deus ex machina plot device. A wonderfully idiosyncratic plot device, which is why the show works so well, but a plot device nonetheless.
Fair enough.
Still, you're showing a lack of imagination. The fact that he can so easily scale to that level with prep means that he can just as easily do it on a smaller scale. Hell, the DNA-key thing I mentioned was something he whipped up in 10-15 minutes, all from loose supplies on a space station. So he makes the blast localized instead of galaxy-busting. Or he exposes them to the time vortex without actually ripping a universe-destroying hole in spacetime. This will burn them alive from the inside just from having witnessed it (which is what triggered one of his recent regenerations).
I use those two because they're easy, on the top of my head, and I haven't heard a legit defense against them. Fact is, there's dozens of Doctor feats spread through comics and the tv show that rival the two I'm referencing. I can't be bothered to dig them all up because, frankly, it's a vs. thread and I have other things to do. But it's lopsided prep for the Doctor, and thus a lopsided win.
The TARDIS is completely manipulable. Rooms, controls, etc. He's turned it inside out before, it's also had the walls and rooms other than the main control center disappear (granted, that was forced by an outside enemy, but it's a replicable occurrence).
Or the Doctor could build a new TARDIS. Also not outside his realm of expertise. Depending on which showing you believe, they're either built or grown, but he has the time...he's a Time Lord after all.
Mindset, do you actually disagree with me here, or are you playing devil's advocate? Doom has has limits, powerful as he is, sans prep. Frankly, I don't think anything he could do without prep would even penetrate the TARDIS, much less take out the Doctor with oodles of prep (seriously, a month to him is hundreds of nasty inventions).
It was in an old-timey comic where the TARDIS is going bonkers. He inverts it and is briefly in space.
The TARDIS can siphon energy by eliminating rooms in itself, can change its form at will (the Doctor just never fixed that function when it broke because he likes it as a blue box), and can run as bare-bones as is needed (heck, a couple episodes ago this current season the Doctor rode a makeshift TARDIS through space with no walls, just the control center. Which, btw, he also built quickly from a planet he would have access to in his prep time that is sort of a TARDIS junkyard). He could divert all power to a direct time attack and just bludgeon them with vortex energies.
Or materialize several TARDIS's on their location and warp spacetime until they are simply ripped apart.
Or the DNA-bomb.
Or a chronal prison that would prevent any sort of time travel, enabling him to attack Doom and Kang at a time of his choosing...maybe when they were babies (he's lusted in the OP after all)
Or...are you seeing my point yet? If not, I'm done giving examples. I feel like you're trying to poke a hole in a dam here, but using a screwdriver. Plausible means by which some invention doesn't work and Doom/Kang win, or there's no point to this.
Originally posted by Mindset
I see you making things up.You make me sick.
You've done very little recently but troll me when we interact. It seemed like harmless fun, but if this is going to be the norm, there's no reason for me to respond to you in anything but necessary matters.
As for the accusation, I've done my best to directly reference the show or comics and feats as often as possible, and only to use examples with feats that make the scenarios believable or provable. If you want to counter with actual evidence, please do. Otherwise, baseless claims are baseless. And with that, it seems I've wasted enough time with you.
Originally posted by Digi
That's...actually just silly logic. Yes, the only one who could stop Kang is Kang himself, nevermind anyone else in the thread with time manip feats to match or beat anything he's done.I stand by what I said earlier. With lopsided prep, the person with the lopsided prep wins handily. With equal prep, it's whose high-end prep feats you put more weight on. Forum consensus would side with Doom there because there's better knowledge, but it's hardly obvious for those who are familiar with all 3.
Also, what would collapsing the universe do? I provided actual feats to suggest the Doctor could wipe out the entirety of the universe, minus himself. Does Kang have that specific feat?
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I had hoped that posting the ridiculous kang poster at the end would make it clear that I was not completely serious, but apparently that was not enough.
What I was serious about is that Kang's time-related feats are infinitely greater than doom's, and that he has multiversal level feats (like taking care of Alioth). Zarrko's time-bomb in Darkhawk 26-29 was set to collapse all of time into a single time-line where he was supreme, a plot which was foiled, but which was nevertheless a multiversal threat. Kang's time tech is >>>> Zarrko's, and he even references this strategy in Avengers Forever #3, and states that he is not interested in such games.
When all is said and done, yes, the Doctor has lopsided prep and probably wins. My only point is that putting it in terms of Dr. Who vs. Doom is wrong; it is Dr. Who vs Kang.
Originally posted by Simbon
I had hoped that posting the ridiculous kang poster at the end would make it clear that I was not completely serious, but apparently that was not enough.What I was serious about is that Kang's time-related feats are infinitely greater than doom's, and that he has multiversal level feats (like taking care of Alioth). Zarrko's time-bomb in Darkhawk 26-29 was set to collapse all of time into a single time-line where he was supreme, a plot which was foiled, but which was nevertheless a multiversal threat. Kang's time tech is >>>> Zarrko's, and he even references this strategy in Avengers Forever #3, and states that he is not interested in such games.
When all is said and done, yes, the Doctor has lopsided prep and probably wins. My only point is that putting it in terms of Dr. Who vs. Doom is wrong; it is Dr. Who vs Kang.
Fair enough.
Yeah, Kang has some multiversal feats under his belts, and when it comes to time manipulation he's quite the biggest fish here, I like to joke saying he has done every time manipulation trick in the book -which isn't true, but he still has some crazy stuff-. The lack of prep just hurts team too much, so this is really not a combat.