Originally posted by BloodRawEngine'
No. When you have a character whose entire existence is based upon a single plot point that's taken to entire hypothetical levels in the games, then you know all you have is a plot device given form and substance. Case in point, the entire concept of the Satsui no Hadou.
Well, exept that there's another character that utilises the Satsui No Hadou all the time...
Originally posted by TheGoldenSpyWell what are you allowing each character?
Much more than a tier. He's the damn hulk compared to ryu with many powerful magical hax.
Originally posted by BloodRawEngineNot really. Something like Magic or a GL ring would be a walking plot device because it does whatever the writer wants it to. Satsui no Hado hasn't done much of anything for Ryu actually.
No. When you have a character whose entire existence is based upon a single plot point that's taken to entire hypothetical levels in the games, then you know all you have is a plot device given form and substance. Case in point, the entire concept of the Satsui no Hadou.
Originally posted by No End N Site
This...is very foolish.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
I was being facetious as well dude. 😐
Originally posted by No End N Site
That isn't true...
K. What happened then?
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Couldn't tell. Online and all.All characters have a plot, but when a character uses a plot device through unqantifiable means it becomes a pain to debate. He did hit Sagat when he was overwhelmed by Satsui no hado, Sagat was never out of his league. Bison is out of his league though (at the time, can't say now). Since generally people consider Evil Ryu as an amp, I'm wondering if he meant that.
Obviously someone using a friend to beat Bison is a clear cut case of help, he didn't use the "OMG Dragon necklace", which would be a bit different in regards to what I was talking about.
Yea, it's hard to argue that way against Kratos, reminds me of MK.
On a serious note though I'd say it looks like Kratos is a tier higher than classic Ryu. Shame they have so few feats to gauge. On Ryu's highest showings he'd have a better chance, don't see it here though.
I should have used a smilie then mmm
Sagat was out of his league at the time. iirc, he crushed Ryu, and thought he won, which led to the Metsu Shoryuken.
Meh, as far as I know, he temp destroyed Bison with a Shoryuken right?
H2H concerned, Ryu is nowhere near as impressive as Gouki though. In terms of punching feats, Gouki's blow Kratos' out of the water, but Kratos' brute strength feats are impressive.
Stuff like Ryu's Hadoukens are the only advantage he has against Kratos in a H2H fight IMO, but I don't know how powerful his hadoukens are. So I think it's far more than just a tier.
Originally posted by Demonic PhoenixGouki doesn't have any lifting feats though.
😐K. What happened then?
I should have used a smilie then mmm
Sagat was out of his league at the time. iirc, he crushed Ryu, and thought he won, which led to the Metsu Shoryuken.
Meh, as far as I know, he temp destroyed Bison with a Shoryuken right?H2H concerned, Ryu is nowhere near as impressive as Gouki though. In terms of punching feats, Gouki's blow Kratos' out of the water, but Kratos' brute strength feats are impressive.
Stuff like Ryu's Hadoukens are the only advantage he has against Kratos in a H2H fight IMO, but I don't know how powerful his hadoukens are. So I think it's far more than just a tier.
The only thing we have is Ryu stalemating him in Alpha 2, but you're right, he isn't quite on Akuma's level.
I'd say Ryu is high meta on his good showings, I'd put Kratos at low herald, which is a tier above.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Gouki doesn't have any lifting feats though.The only thing we have is Ryu stalemating him in Alpha 2, but you're right, he isn't quite on Akuma's level.
I'd say Ryu is high meta on his good showings, I'd put Kratos at low herald, which is a tier above.
A Gouki who was just testing Ryu out. What's more impressive IMO, is the fact that Ryu survived the encounter. Current Ryu would obviously do better, but I seriously doubt he comes close to even Alpha Gouki. Personally, I think Ryu is near the top of SF, but there's a huge difference between him and the top dogs, like Oro and Gouki.
You kidding brah? Kratos with PIS on his side can beat Elder God level characters. 313
Srsly though, Kratos with all his equipment and abilities, including the BoO & Fate Manipulation, might break into Mid-herald depending on who else is in that tier; but yeah, Low herald seems about right, considering dudes like Thor and Superman are in High Herald according to KMC's tiering system.
Who else is in High Meta?
Hmm... mid meta is like Venom. High meta is roughly Iron Man level. Ryu at is best (average) is around that IMO. Ki manip, superhuman stats, and top level fighting skill.
With weapons Kratos... might be at that level, which is why I asked what he had. Then again they put Flash at mid herald which is bs since the Flash is pure haxx.
I agree with the Gap between he and the greats, even though he is seen to be the most powerful... eventually. You don't think he'd be around Alpha Gouki level at SF3? He doesn't have the collateral damage feats, but I didn't see it as a long shot.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
A Gouki who was just testing Ryu out. What's more impressive IMO, is the fact that Ryu survived the encounter. Current Ryu would obviously do better, but I seriously doubt he comes close to even Alpha Gouki. Personally, I think Ryu is near the top of SF, but there's a huge difference between him and the top dogs, like Oro and Gouki.You kidding brah? Kratos with PIS on his side can beat Elder God level characters. 313
Srsly though, Kratos with all his equipment and abilities, including the BoO & Fate Manipulation, might break into Mid-herald depending on who else is in that tier; but yeah, Low herald seems about right, considering dudes like Thor and Superman are in High Herald according to KMC's tiering system.Who else is in High Meta?
So who's the strongest comic book character standard Kratos (non BoO or magic) can defeat? Could he beat Marvel Ares?
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Hmm... mid meta is like Venom. High meta is roughly Iron Man level. Ryu at is best (average) is around that IMO. Ki manip, superhuman stats, and top level fighting skill.With weapons Kratos... might be at that level, which is why I asked what he had. Then again they put Flash at mid herald which is bs since the Flash is pure haxx.
I agree with the Gap between he and the greats, even though he is seen to be the most powerful... eventually. You don't think he'd be around Alpha Gouki level at SF3? He doesn't have the collateral damage feats, but I didn't see it as a long shot.
Ki manip is what I think would bring him to that level. His physical stats are like at or below Spidey's level no?
I think Flash with CIS on is the reason they put him in Mid-Herald. Flash going all out KMC style, is pure haxx. 😛
Yeah, he's the main protagonist, so he'll eventually surpass Oro and Gouki, if the games get to that point.
Mostly because I think the main difference between Alpha Gouki and SF3 Gouki, are a couple of techs that the latter Gouki has mastered, and perhaps a slight increase in stats.
Alpha Gouki still has SGS and his other SnH techs. SF3 Ryu has no defense against the SGS afaik. Plus, even if SF3 Ryu is 'above' (Alpha) Evil Ryu, he was just a Ryu who had succumbed to the SnH, as opposed to Gouki, who had mastered the SnH to the point where he could stop tapping into it. Thus, Alpha Gouki has the option to 'go Shin', which would definitely put him above SF3 Ryu IMO.
Meh, maybe No End will weigh in on this. He knows far more than I do.
Hmm, was Gouki using the SnH in his fight with Gen? Also, just how powerful is Gen? Above or below Ryu?
Ryu isn't near the top of SF. He can't even beat SFII Bison.
And SFA Akuma is 'way' weaker than SFIII Akuma. Oro didn't even hear about Akuma til' III and Gen could still kick his ass if he hadn't got cancer. Hell, he had just beat Gouken and only beat Gouken cuz Gouken refused to fight to kill.
Alpha Akuma woulda got his ass thrashed by a 1 handed Oro.
Average Tier
Dan and Sean
Street Fighter Tier
Almost everyone else not mentioned above or bellow. While these characters could beat one another, they wouldn't be that far apart to be on different tiers.
Sub-Boss Tier
Ryu, Sagat, Vega, Balrog, Charlie, Juri, Seth (possibly) and Urien.
Boss Tier
Rose, Gen, and Seth (possibly)
Final Boss Tier
Akuma, Gouken, Oro, and Gill
God Tier
Ingrid
Originally posted by Demonic PhoenixHe did hold that huge boulder up and run with it, but ki manip wouldn't be an issue.
Ki manip is what I think would bring him to that level. His physical stats are like at or below Spidey's level no?I think Flash with CIS on is the reason they put him in Mid-Herald. Flash going all out KMC style, is pure haxx. 😛
Yeah, he's the main protagonist, so he'll eventually surpass Oro and Gouki, if the games get to that point.
Mostly because I think the main difference between Alpha Gouki and SF3 Gouki, are a couple of techs that the latter Gouki has mastered, and perhaps a slight increase in stats.
Alpha Gouki still has SGS and his other SnH techs. SF3 Ryu has no defense against the SGS afaik. Plus, even if SF3 Ryu is 'above' (Alpha) Evil Ryu, he was just a Ryu who had succumbed to the SnH, as opposed to Gouki, who had mastered the SnH to the point where he could stop tapping into it. Thus, Alpha Gouki has the option to 'go Shin', which would definitely put him above SF3 Ryu IMO.
Meh, maybe No End will weigh in on this. He knows far more than I do.Hmm, was Gouki using the SnH in his fight with Gen? Also, just how powerful is Gen? Above or below Ryu?
Even then Flash fighting normally would still be top, they've made that clear in the comics. It's his PIS that's the issue, which doesn't count here. They write him down for obvious reasons in the comics. The Flash can do damn near what he wants and would win against Superman and just about any other high herald.
But yea, it was just my opinion that current Ryu would beat Alpha Akuma, could be wrong though.
No End, you think he can't beat Classic Bison at his current state?
Originally posted by No End N Site
Average Tier
Dan and SeanStreet Fighter Tier
Almost everyone else not mentioned above or bellow. While these characters could beat one another, they wouldn't be that far apart to be on different tiers.Sub-Boss Tier
Ryu, Sagat, Vega, Balrog, Charlie, Juri, Seth (possibly) and Urien.Boss Tier
Rose, Gen, and Seth (possibly)Final Boss Tier
Akuma, Gouken, Oro, and GillGod Tier
Ingrid
1)While I agree 4 the most part, I think Rose is N Btween Boss & Final Boss. Look @ who she's grouped with, she'd school those guys.
2)Chunny has crazy chi manip, I think she could B on Ryu's tier.
3) Y is Seth "(possibly)" above Ryu, win Ryu beat him?
Man, Ryu blasted dude's ass to kingdom come at the end.
Originally posted by Frisky Dingo
1)While I agree 4 the most part, I think Rose is N Btween Boss & Final Boss. Look @ who she's grouped with, she'd school those guys.2)Chunny has crazy chi manip, I think she could B on Ryu's tier.
3) Y is Seth "(possibly)" above Ryu, win Ryu beat him?
You might be right...
Thing about that is, she has some nice showings but she hasn't really used'em to beat anyone. For all we know, the other SFs could be just as capable but just lack the showings.
Ryu 'barely' beat a pre-BLEECE Seth. Now Seth has got stolen moves, his Tanden Engine is in full swing, and he's got 25 other versions of him, makin' A>B>C logic very hard. Everyone who is shown beatin' Seth, could just be thrashin' lesser copies.