Fewest # of heralds that could take down Odin

Started by quanchi1125 pages

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You can call it whatever you like as long as you don't make it seem -or imply- that Odin's accessing a power that's not his own

So what if the other Asgardian's aren't in this thread? Odin isn't limited by space/time. In his battle with Forsung, he thought of it, and their power was no more, including Thor, Sif and Balder who were in another dimension.

It's an amp because this isn't how he is normally portrayed making it irrelevant to this thread.

Not relevant for this thread. 🙂

Originally posted by quanchi112
It's an amp because this isn't how he is normally portrayed making it irrelevant to this thread.

Not relevant for this thread. 🙂

It is not an amp...he just wasn't holding back 😐

Originally posted by quanchi112
It's an amp because this isn't how he is normally portrayed making it irrelevant to this thread.

Not relevant for this thread. 🙂

You can call it whatever you like as long as you don't make it seem -or imply- that Odin's accessing a power that's not his own.

Because you say so? Drawing on the power of Asgardians or Asgard are viable options for Odin. Not likely, but they are on the table.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
It is not an amp...he just wasn't holding back 😐
You don't even know what we are talking about as usual.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You can call it whatever you like as long as you don't make it seem -or imply- that Odin's accessing a power that's not his own.

Because you say so? Drawing on the power of Asgardians or Asgard are viable options for Odin. Not likely, but they are on the table.

They aren't viable options in odin thread as we don't include the entire asgardian race as calmly sitting in a room awaiting Odin's instructions. We go by what is normally portrayed. Do you ever win a debate ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
They aren't viable options in odin thread as we don't include the entire asgardian race as calmly sitting in a room awaiting Odin's instructions. We go by what is normally portrayed. Do you ever win a debate ?

Awaiting Odin's instructions? The Asgardians have no say in whether or not Thor drains them of their power. Furthermore, Odin is not limited by time and space as proven in his fight against Forsung.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Awaiting Odin's instructions? The Asgardians have no say in whether or not Thor drains them of their power. Furthermore, Odin is not limited by time and space as proven in his fight against Forsung.
He doesn't have access to them in vs. threads he fights how he is normally portrayed. What aren't you getting ?

Access? What the f*ck are you talking about? There isn't some magical barrier preventing him on drawing power that is his own. He doesn't need to be near Asgardians to draw on their power as shown when he drains/depowers Thor, Sif, Balder etc. on Earth from Asgard.

You have presented absolutely no argument thus far. Give me a reason why he couldn't or concede.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Access? What the f*ck are you talking about? There isn't some magical barrier preventing him on drawing power that is his own. He doesn't need to be near Asgardians to draw on their power as shown when he drains/depowers Thor, Sif, Balder etc. on Earth from Asgard.

You have presented absolutely no argument thus far. Give me a reason why he couldn't or concede.

Are you saying this is how he is normally portrayed ?

This is about normal portrayal not prep against some foe he had specific armor for. He never amped himself against surtur or any other foe when he needed to by drawing in all other asgardians. Do you have a point ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Are you saying this is how he is normally portrayed ?

This is about normal portrayal not prep against some foe he had specific armor for. He never amped himself against surtur or any other foe when he needed to by drawing in all other asgardians. Do you have a point ?

Normal portrayal? No one is arguing that Odin walks around on a daily basis with the energies he gave to Asgard/Asgardians withdrawn. I am however arguing that it is a viable option. We have seen Odin drawing on energy for battle 3 times already.

What do you mean prep? His drawn on his given energies twice at will without any prep. Surtur? Irrelevant. We've seen him do it more than once against other opponents. You just keep throwing out random points that get shot down. This has been a reoccurring pattern in our encounters. It's getting tedious.

You have no problem mentioning the Force Block as a viable tactic for Thanos -in the past- when his used it only once without a weapon as far as I know.

Full Capacity
It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first millisecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels.

If a character has displayed an ability on a few occasions, it's fair play.

Won't be enough. Trust me.

I think Rage is a little too overboard with his number and people are also underselling Odin at the same time. 1000 SS would certainly do the trick being a full capacity and no CIS or PIS. However, I believe 15 isn't enough to get the job done. I'm going to say around 150 would do the trick. The problem is.. he would just one shot or two shot many with ease. He is just that powerful and there would be a ton of Surfers lying on the ground before they can finally take him down.

Power tiers are more fungible than people often make them out to be. One thing to remember here is that WE DON'T HAVE TO USE JUST SS as a herald. I suspect it would actually be much more effective to use many less powerful heralds whose powers are better suited to fighting Odin. I think it could be done with 12-15 heralds. You need 6 or 7 heralds with high damage and durability to act as cannon-fodder (SS, BRB, King Hyperion, etc.) The remaining heralds should be either high-end telepaths who could collectively mind-rape Odin (admittedly, this begs the question: how many Moondragons, Cassie Novas, Exoduses etc. does it take to mindrape Odin? I suspect that 6-8 top-class telepaths could do it via mindlink), or high-end magic-manipulators who could collectively depower or restrain him (Loki, Enchantress, Strange, Vulcan, Warlock, etc.)

A THIRD strategy that would reduce the number of people it takes is to use characters whose powers can stack. Mimic, for instance with the powers of Darwin (adapt to magic), Multiple man, and three others might be able to last quite a long time against Odin, long enough to give team members a chance to launch an effective attack. Another example is Starfox, who isn't that powerful by himself, but who could probably raise Gladiator above herald level with his emotional manipulation.

So: here is a possible team:

1-2) Quasar and Superman (Quasar amps Supes with yellow sun)
3-4) Starfox and Glads (Eros amps Glads)
5) King Hyperion
6) Silver Surfer
7) Black Adam
8) Vulcan
9) Cassandra Nova
10) Moondragon
11) Exodus
12) Shaman X-man
13) Xavier
14)Martian Manhunter
15) God-like Cable

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Normal portrayal? No one is arguing that Odin walks around on a daily basis with the energies he gave to Asgard/Asgardians withdrawn. I am however arguing that it is a viable option. We have seen Odin drawing on energy for battle 3 times already.

What do you mean prep? His drawn on his given energies twice at will without any prep. Surtur? Irrelevant. We've seen him do it more than once against other opponents. You just keep throwing out random points that get shot down. This has been a reoccurring pattern in our encounters. It's getting tedious.

You have no problem mentioning the Force Block as a viable tactic for Thanos -in the past- when his used it only once without a weapon as far as I know.

It isn't though.

Under the right set of circumstances it's possible for him to do so I am not saying he can't but in a thread against heralds it's ridiculous and out of character. We go by what's in character for a given situation not cling to any showing and act like it's in character for him to do so in every single thread where you feel like exaggerating Odin.

I've seen him lose without doing so which would have probably given him the win. he knew against the Celestials through trial and error his power alone wasn't alone and that he needed the armor, the uni mind, and every asgardian through a well orchestrated plan which ultimately failed badly against the 4th host.

Cosmo solos 😖hifty:

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Cosmo solos 😖hifty:
It says herald. Not bone-afide abstracts.

See what i did there dur1?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?

Originally posted by quanchi112
It isn't though.

Under the right set of circumstances it's possible for him to do so I am not saying he can't but in a thread against heralds it's ridiculous and out of character. We go by what's in character for a given situation not cling to any showing and act like it's in character for him to do so in every single thread where you feel like exaggerating Odin.


Originally posted by Badabing
Full Capacity
It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first millisecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.

It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels.

If a character has displayed an ability on a few occasions, it's fair play.


Originally posted by quanchi112
I've seen him lose without doing so which would have probably given him the win. he knew against the Celestials through trial and error his power alone wasn't alone and that he needed the armor, the uni mind, and every asgardian through a well orchestrated plan which ultimately failed badly against the 4th host.

So you didn't read Thor #300.

Just 1.

Hulk.

I see 6-10 high herald characters being enough depending on the line up. To me sheer numbers isnt enough a team with versatility and power should do the trick

Silver Sufer
Majestic
Nova Prime
Thor
Dr. Strange pre bull shit
Genis Vell
Wonder Woman haters gon hate 😐
Wally West

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
So you didn't read Thor #300.
I did.