Lloyd Irving vs Link

Originally posted by TacDavey
Well, it's an old game, so Lloyd really doesn't do too much past preset animations outside of battle. He did jump off a cliff towards the beginning of the game, and one of the main enemy dudes commented that no human should be able to survive that fall. Not only did he survive it, he landed easily on his feet like he was hopping off a stool.

Kratos is pretty much an expert swordsman. That, and he has an ex-shpere that gives him angel powers. He's been around since ancient times, and he's one of the main villains right hand guys. In fact, besides the main villian, he's the strongest member of that group. He can fly, and cast powerful magic.

No, Lloyd didn't have the eternal sword at that point. He was actually fighting Kratos to get it. Besides, Lloyd doesn't use the eternal sword to fight anyway. He only summons it when he needs it for something.

I'm not sure I see Link beating Kratos...

It doesn't sound like Lloyd is fast or durable enough to win, based on what you've told me, imho.

In OoT, Link reflects lightning with his sword during his fight with Ganondorf, and chucks a large stone pillar before that, putting his strength in the gigajoule range. So, he could very probably kill Lloyd with one shot.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I'd need to hear some of Kratos' feats for a comparison.

It doesn't sound like Lloyd is fast or durable enough to win, based on what you've told me, imho.

In OoT, Link reflects lightning with his sword during his fight with Ganondorf, and chucks a large stone pillar before that, putting his strength in the gigajoule range. So, he could very probably kill Lloyd with one shot.

Kratos is basically the strongest person in that world, besides the main villian and Abysson, a side boss. Which places Lloyd in his place once he defeated him.

Link reflects Ganondorfs magic with the Master Sword, yeah. But that won't be a problem fighting Lloyd since Lloyd doesn't shoot balls of energy.

Lloyd fights people with super strength all the time. In fact, almost everyone he fights in the game has an ex-sphere, which gives them above human abilities. Not to mention the monsters he fights, such as dragons and other beasts that have super strong attacks.

Plus, like I said before. Lloyd jumped off a cliff and landed no problem. And that was at the beginning of the game, when he was at his weakest. Last time I checked, if Link jumps off something too high up he dies, or at least looses a chunk of health.

Link picked up a stone that applies more force to him than a terminal velocity fall. At least I'm pretty sure it's more force.

And this is OoT Link, right?

is OoT Link yes.

The falling damage is a gameplay mechanic, and far, far less force than Link could exert on Lloyd. Link's reaction time is very important, as well, because unless Lloyd has very good speed feats he can't hit Link.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
is OoT Link yes.

The falling damage is a gameplay mechanic, and far, far less force than Link could exert on Lloyd. Link's reaction time is very important, as well, because unless Lloyd has very good speed feats he can't hit Link.

No.. That's not quite right. The falling damage shows that Link can't sustain high falls like that. Otherwise you could say that the damage he takes from a stalfos's sword is gameplay mechanics.

What do you mean he can't hit Link? Link isn't super fast, he moves at a completely normal pace. Unless he has the Bunny Hood, but even then he isn't all that fast. And besides... He doesn't have the Bunny Hood.

I see Scream is still suffering under the delusion that Link is a lightning-timer. What foolishness.

baitbaitbaitbait

Originally posted by TacDavey
No.. That's not quite right. The falling damage shows that Link can't sustain high falls like that. Otherwise you could say that the damage he takes from a stalfos's sword is gameplay mechanics.

What do you mean he can't hit Link? Link isn't super fast, he moves at a completely normal pace. Unless he has the Bunny Hood, but even then he isn't all that fast. And besides... He doesn't have the Bunny Hood.

Actually, being able to react in time to reflect lightning back at Ganondorf is a pretty good feat, he can react far faster than any human, and is far stronger as well. Does Lloyd have any feats that compare to attempting to block a blow from a class 100+ character without his arm shattering? (Link does in a cutscene and is massively class 100+ himself) Without that, or a speed feat that puts him close to lightning, he can't fight Link.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I see Scream is still suffering under the delusion that Link is a lightning-timer. What foolishness.

baitbaitbaitbait

Nomnomnombait.

Even without that, Lloyd's got no listed speed feats thus far.

I never said he did, I merely pointed out that the attack he used is obviously ball lightning rather than the forked etc varities.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I never said he did, I merely pointed out that the attack he used is obviously ball lightning rather than the forked etc varities.

Ball Lightning gives Ganon a new power that makes him even better, or the explanation for it does not fit the situation the attack happens in at all. Those are really the only two choices when it comes to that argument.

So yeah, Ball lightning is total bullshit.

This again? Grr...

He threw the f*cking thing. Any real "Lightning" I've seen has always been shot. For you to claim OoT Link is a Lightning timer, you'd have to prove Gannon threw it Lightning speed.

Originally posted by linkownsyousobs
This again? Grr...

He [b]threw the f*cking thing. Any real "Lightning" I've seen has always been shot. For you to claim OoT Link is a Lightning timer, you'd have to prove Gannon threw it Lightning speed. [/B]

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
An uncomfirmed and unexplained phenomena which has no known source and has never been recreated, is little known? Gee, that sounds likely when we see the lightning bolt in his hand. 😛

Erm, could you re-phrase that first bit please? Me no speaky crazy talk. And no, we don't see a lightning bolt in his hand, we see a lightning ball in his hands.

YouTube video

Seriously, how the hell can you deny that is ball lightning? It's ROUND for christs sake. How the **** can regular lightning be round? I'm actually asking.

Ball Lightning gives Ganon a new power that makes him even better, or the explanation for it does not fit the situation the attack happens in at all. Those are really the only two choices when it comes to that argument.

So yeah, Ball lightning is total bullshit.

Its bullshit because you don't like it? 😬

And no, it makes him weaker. ✅

Using full speed lightning has been in Ganon's powerset since 1991, you'd need to prove he intentionally slowed it.

YouTube video

Bam. Video proof that it is moving slower than regular lightning.

/discussion.

Video of gameplay mechanics, cool. A player cannot react to lightning, if it moved at lightning speed in gameplay the game would be unbeatable.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Using full speed lightning has been in Ganon's powerset since 1991, you'd need to prove he intentionally slowed it. 😐

1.) OoT is the prequel, alttp chronalogically comes last doesn't it? 1991 means nothing to me or Miyamoto as far as the time line goes. 😐

2.) Gannon in alttp shot it, in OoT he threw it 😐

3.) I'm at work so this will probably be my last post tonight. I don't have internet at the house yet.

4.) I know nothing about the other guy, I still think Link wins, but he isn't a lightning timer. I just hope u do a better job defending him 😛

Video of gameplay mechanics, cool. A player cannot react to lightning, if it moved at lightning speed in gameplay the game would be unbeatable.

Or Link could actually have superspeed in the game.

No, legit. All recent theories on Ball Lightning either do not apply to the situation Ganon and Link find themselves in for Lightning Tennis, or it gives Ganon a new power. Like creating black holes.

Well I'm sorry but its on-screen. It happens. We can't just ignore it and say, 'it gives him a new power and thats so unfwair.' It's in the damn game. We are not giving him a new power anyway, we are making sense of an already existing one. Ganon chucks those things around no matter what. What we are trying to decide upon is simply what it is that he chucks around. And given overwhelming evidence (it is electricity, it produces sparks and shit, its a ball, it moves at a speed consistent with ball lightning etc) I really have no choice but to deduce that its Ball Lightning.

And besides, according to Scream Ganon has been using lightning-based attacks for 20 years. It's not a new power at all.

And given overwhelming evidence (it is electricity, it produces sparks and shit, its a ball, it moves at a speed consistent with ball lightning etc) I really have no choice but to deduce that its Ball Lightning.