Doomsday and Apocalypse

Originally posted by TheTyrant
*Apocalypse dodges*

Now what?

During the Onslaught arc, Cable fought Onslaught-controlled Hulk and managed to win. The same Cable stood no chance against Apocalypse.

Apoc >>>> that Cable > Hulk
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Anyway, there is nothing Doomsday can do to someone as versatile as Apocalypse. Malleability plus teleportation plus telekinesis plus regeneration = auto win against any average brick. Apocalypse wins, whether this is an out of character or in character fight.

What has he accomplished with TK?

Originally posted by The Nuul
lol @ DD being an average brick.

High end brick: Pre-crisis Omega, Trion Juggernaut
Average brick: Hulk, Doomsday, Juggernaut
Low end brick: Thing, She-Hulk

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Doomsday throws a homing table. I can keep this up all day. 131

What has he accomplished with TK?

Lifted a castle with tk.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Lifted a castle with tk.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
High end brick: Pre-crisis Omega, Trion Juggernaut
Average brick: Hulk, Doomsday, Juggernaut
Low end brick: Thing, She-Hulk

Originally posted by Omega Vision
(1) Pretty sure that was debunked
(2) That's still not much. A castle is nothing compared to the kind of tk power it takes to restrain/pwn a high end Cl 100+

When was it debunked and in what thread?

Originally posted by TheTyrant
High end brick: Pre-crisis Omega, Trion Juggernaut
Average brick: Hulk, Doomsday, Juggernaut
Low end brick: Thing, She-Hulk

funny about the castle TK feat.. 😄

Apoc beat Stryfe just using Tk iirc

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Highly doubtful. Doomsday was engineered to be the perfect Darwinian organism. He's what Apocalypse wishes he could make.

The techno-organic virus isn't Apocalypse's creation, it's actually the Celestials creation iirc, and he (Apocalypse) discovered it aboard their Ship. Apocalypse happens to be infected with it (he's basically a mutant/technarch hybrid), so it's really not a valid response (blind Apocalypse hate withstanding) as the virus has nothing to do with whether Apocalypse is the epitome of Darwinism and moreso to do with the fact it was designed by beings that could manipulate Doomsday's genetic material like Play Doh.

The transmode virus was engineered to consume organic and inorganic matter and make techno-organic beings out of it's victims (hence, the Technarchy and Phalanx, etc). If Doomsday could be infected, there's a good chance Apocalypse could subvert him into being an agent.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
High end brick: Pre-crisis Omega, Trion Juggernaut
Average brick: Hulk, Doomsday, Juggernaut
Low end brick: Thing, She-Hulk

lol

Pre-crisis Omega and Trion Juggernaut are more like cosmics.

Hulk, Doomsday and Juggernaut are top level bricks.

Originally posted by illadelph12
The techno-organic virus isn't Apocalypse's creation, it's actually the Celestials creation iirc, and he (Apocalypse) discovered it aboard their Ship. Apocalypse happens to be infected with it (he's basically a mutant/technarch hybrid), so it's really not a valid response (blind Apocalypse hate withstanding) as the virus has nothing to do with whether Apocalypse is the epitome of Darwinism and moreso to do with the fact it was designed by beings that could manipulate Doomsday's genetic material like Play Doh.

The transmode virus was engineered to consume organic and inorganic matter and make techno-organic beings out of it's victims (hence, the Technarchy and Phalanx, etc). If Doomsday could be infected, there's a good chance Apocalypse could subvert him into being an agent.

Originally posted by illadelph12
The techno-organic virus isn't Apocalypse's creation, it's actually the Celestials creation iirc, and he (Apocalypse) discovered it aboard their Ship. Apocalypse happens to be infected with it (he's basically a mutant/technarch hybrid), so it's really not a valid response (blind Apocalypse hate withstanding) as the virus has nothing to do with whether Apocalypse is the epitome of Darwinism and moreso to do with the fact it was designed by beings that could manipulate Doomsday's genetic material like Play Doh.

The transmode virus was engineered to consume organic and inorganic matter and make techno-organic beings out of it's victims (hence, the Technarchy and Phalanx, etc). If Doomsday could be infected, there's a good chance Apocalypse could subvert him into being an agent.

Do you think that's likely?

Doomsday's powers notwithstanding....
How easy would it be for Apoc to do that to a being like DD on the attack?

When has he ever done something like this in a fight as a measure to win?

Originally posted by TheTyrant
*Apocalypse dodges*

Now what?

During the Onslaught arc, Cable fought Onslaught-controlled Hulk and managed to win. The same Cable stood no chance against Apocalypse.

Apoc >>>> that Cable > Hulk
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Anyway, there is nothing Doomsday can do to someone as versatile as Apocalypse. Malleability plus teleportation plus telekinesis plus regeneration = auto win against any average brick. Apocalypse wins, whether this is an out of character or in character fight.

You're apparently really unfamiliar with DD and his power set.

So far we've seen him able to coat himself in a force field that nullified energy canceling out the guardian.
We've seen him adapt to the abilities of a GL ring and overcome it's abilities and constructs.
We've seen him take an OE attack at full power and get back up.
Take the chronal energy of Waverider, and reverse it back at his attacker.
Develop powers to compensate on the fly with opponents he can't beat at the start of a fight including projectile weapons, poisons strong enough to mess up a heavily amped Superman using a Motherbox, changing his bone structure mid fight, molecular composition, healing factor that acts like liquid metal.
Reject Braniacs mind control expelling him from his head.
Consistently homes in on the weakness of a planet/opponent/etc and makes use of it for the maximum destructive output.
Consistently navigates the cosmos without the need for flight.

Apocalypse has NEVER had to deal with someone on Doomsday's level.... and that includes DOS Doomsday.

He would get wrecked badly, that you think he has a powerset that affords him an "autowin" OR that DD is an "average brick" is a GROSS underestimation of Doomsday or comic book ignorance at it's best.

Originally posted by jinzin
Do you think that's likely?

Doomsday's powers notwithstanding....
How easy would it be for Apoc to do that to a being like DD on the attack?

When has he ever done something like this in a fight as a measure to win?

Well, most famously, he infected Cable with the virus using it as a weapon, and the entire Blood of Apocalypse Storyline centered around Apocalypse using his blood as a weapon and it's effects on the general populace of Earth, so apparently he has been written to know that's an option, and given that all of Doomsday's abilities come from genetics, moreover genetic manipulation via evolution, going up against an adaptive techno-organic virus that consumes organic matter and overwrites dna would be a tall task for his powers.

As far as infecting Doomsday, last time I checked, Doomsday needs to make physical contact in order to attack, so Apocalypse could, using his shape-shifting, make barbed pustules or spikes on his body so when Doomsday hits him he becomes infected.

The Porcupine Defense.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Well, most famously, he infected Cable with the virus using it as a weapon, and the entire Blood of Apocalypse Storyline centered around Apocalypse using his blood as a weapon and it's effects on the general populace of Earth, so apparently he has been written to know that's an option, and given that all of Doomsday's abilities come from genetics, moreover genetic manipulation via evolution, going up against an adaptive techno-organic virus that consumes organic matter and overwrites dna would be a tall task for his powers.

As far as infecting Doomsday, last time I checked, Doomsday needs to make physical contact in order to attack, so Apocalypse could, using his shape-shifting, make barbed pustules or spikes on his body so when Doomsday hits him he becomes infected.

The Porcupine Defense.

You think that would even work? DD's durability is > Superman. 😬

We're talking about Delph, author of the Cavity Creeps Anti Geridath offense. 😛

Which would work as well, I might add.

badawe

Originally posted by jinzin
Being noted as fast as the flash?

Faster than Flash actually. And c'mon, no one is taking Booster Gold seriously.

Originally posted by jinzin
You think that would even work? DD's durability is > Superman. 😬

It works on contact with organic tissue, or matter for that matter (techno-organic virus can also consume metal and add it to it's mass).

Doomsday is organic, right (and that's a serious question because if I recall he didn't have internal organs or a nervous system at one point)?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Faster than Flash actually. And c'mon, no one is taking Booster Gold seriously.

i'd be surprised if he was talking about booster gold, tbh.

Originally posted by illadelph12
It works on contact with organic tissue, or matter for that matter (techno-organic virus can also consume metal and add it to it's mass).

Doomsday is organic, right (and that's a serious question because if I recall he didn't have internal organs or a nervous system at one point)?

how would the virus get arouns doomsday's advanced regeneration and adaptation?

Originally posted by -Pr-
i'd be surprised if he was talking about booster gold, tbh.

There was another statement about DD's speed?