Originally posted by -Pr-
i'd be surprised if he was talking about booster gold, tbh.how would the virus get arouns doomsday's advanced regeneration and adaptation?
It would combat it by adapting itself. The virus has rudimentary intelligence of it's own, and can mutate as well. Not to mention that it consumes organic matter. It'd be like an ever expanding techno-organic cancer.
Originally posted by illadelph12Why would poccy even want to try?
Apocalypse has the tools to win. A direct assault isn't likely smart, though. Given the stip, and assuming Apoc has a plan, he could likely subvert Doomsday.
A non sentient being thats dumb as an idiot (😮) that might just attack poccy on site?
And what Does poccy have to win against a non weakest version of doomsday?
Originally posted by Black bolt z
Why would poccy even want to try?A non sentient being thats dumb as an idiot (😮) that might just attack poccy on site?
And what Does poccy have to win against a non weakest version of doomsday?
Originally posted by Starscream M
how? 😕
Well, for one, there's precedent:
Apocalypse once mutated a Deviant into a gigantic mindless unstoppable killing machine in order to unleash it on the other Deviants and Eternals so that the strong would overcome the challenge and the weak would be destroyed. Taking that into account, he'd likely see Doomsday as the ultimate test for the Earth as he's the walking embodiment of Apocalypse's ideal, and therefore, would make the ultimate test for mutantkind and humanity as a whole. Apocalypse's hubris likely would make him see Doomsday as an equal rather as a superior, so the likelihood of him simply bowing to Doomsday is pretty low. The likelihood of him trying to use him as a pawn is about as high as someone having bacon for breakfast.
As for how Apocalypse could achieve this, don't forget Apocalypse has access to the Celestials gene manipulation technology and is an accomplished geneticist in his own right. He also has teleportation powers, technology, and advanced technology which includes forcefields and stasis pods gleaned from the Celestial Ship. KMC Anti-Apocalypse Meme aside, let's not forget some of the accomplishments that Apocalypse does have on panel. He was a tick away from turning himself into a Celestial level being until Cyclops pushed X-Man out of his machinery in The Twelve, and he also created The Harbinger, which had essentially Doomsday's power set (able to adapt to and overcome the threats presented to him).
Let us also not forget that that during the DOS storyline Hank Henshaw was able to implant a beacon into Doomsday in order for him (Hank) to upload his consciousness into it and hitch a ride, so to speak, on Doomsday on his way to Apokolips, so implanting something on Doomsday's hide isn't out of the question.
Apocalypse could either plant a device on Doomsday, like a homing beacon, and simply teleport him to different locales around the Earth to cause destruction and test Earth's heroes, or teleport him back to his laboratory with his Celestial tech and see what wins out, Doomsday's genes or the Celestial's gene modifying technology.
Another thing I'd like to add:
Given that Doomsday is essentially mindless, there's really nothing stopping Apocalypse from inhabiting his body and making his (Doomsday's) body Apocalypse's new host body. There's no psyche to circumvent really, Doomsday is pretty much just a hulking physical mass that acts on instinct.
Originally posted by illadelph12
Well, for one, there's precedent:Apocalypse once mutated a Deviant into a gigantic mindless unstoppable killing machine in order to unleash it on the other Deviants and Eternals so that the strong would overcome the challenge and the weak would be destroyed. Taking that into account, he'd likely see Doomsday as the ultimate test for the Earth as he's the walking embodiment of Apocalypse's ideal, and therefore, would make the ultimate test for mutantkind and humanity as a whole. Apocalypse's hubris likely would make him see Doomsday as an equal rather as a superior, so the likelihood of him simply bowing to Doomsday is pretty low. The likelihood of him trying to use him as a pawn is about as high as someone having bacon for breakfast.
As for how Apocalypse could achieve this, don't forget Apocalypse has access to the Celestials gene manipulation technology and is an accomplished geneticist in his own right. He also has teleportation powers, technology, and advanced technology which includes forcefields and stasis pods gleaned from the Celestial Ship. KMC Anti-Apocalypse Meme aside, let's not forget some of the accomplishments that Apocalypse does have on panel. He was a tick away from turning himself into a Celestial level being until Cyclops pushed X-Man out of his machinery in The Twelve, and he also created The Harbinger, which had essentially Doomsday's power set (able to adapt to and overcome the threats presented to him).
Let us also not forget that that during the DOS storyline Hank Henshaw was able to implant a beacon into Doomsday in order for him (Hank) to upload his consciousness into it and hitch a ride, so to speak, on Doomsday on his way to Apokolips, so implanting something on Doomsday's hide isn't out of the question.
Apocalypse could either plant a device on Doomsday, like a homing beacon, and simply teleport him to different locales around the Earth to cause destruction and test Earth's heroes, or teleport him back to his laboratory with his Celestial tech and see what wins out, Doomsday's genes or the Celestial's gene modifying technology.
1) your plan seems to require apoc to do a lot of theoretical prep work...which I'm not sure is allowed in this thread
2) henshaw used DD as a vehicle...he in no way asserted any control over DD. essentially, henshaw could've hitched a ride on a car...that doesn't make it any more likely for Apoc to control the mind of a car...as a car doesn't have a mind.
3) DD was someone who Martian Manhunter couldn't even read. Someone who Darkseid didn't even think to subjugate. I think he is way out of Apoc's league.
Originally posted by King Castle
i agree everything except the part where DD would be the embodiment of his end goals..it is mindless deprived of true sentience an animal that alone would negate DD from being the dream of Apoxy not the he would turn away from using him or tryin to control him.
Doomsday = a walking experiment and embodiment of survival of the fittest.
Apocalype's doctrine = survival of the fittest.
Seems like a match made in comic heaven.
Originally posted by illadelph12apoc's doctrine won't have him at all in the fight
Doomsday = a walking experiment and embodiment of survival of the fittest.Apocalype's doctrine = survival of the fittest.
Seems like a match made in comic heaven.
sure he believes in survival of the fittest...but DD is the FITTEST
Apoc will prob be happy to die to the fittest creature ever existed
Originally posted by Starscream M
1) your plan seems to require apoc to do a lot of theoretical prep work...which I'm not sure is allowed in this thread2) henshaw used DD as a vehicle...he in no way asserted any control over DD. essentially, henshaw could've hitched a ride on a car...that doesn't make it any more likely for Apoc to control the mind of a car...as a car doesn't have a mind.
3) DD was someone who Martian Manhunter couldn't even read. Someone who Darkseid didn't even think to subjugate. I think he is way out of Apoc's league.
1) He doesn't need prep work, he can teleport on the fly and via his technopathy can operate his machinery upon arrival.
2) I said nothing of controlling Doomsday's mind, I said that Apocalypse could plant a homing beacon on him and then simply teleport him to a location so Doomsday can destroy stuff and test the heroes.
3) I said nothing of mind control, and neither of them had the gene manipulating technology of the Celestials at home. Also, Darkseid's mind controlled a damn Promethian Giant, so while he didn't mind control DD, I don't think he even attempted to control Doomsday mentally. If I recall, their encounter consisted of the following:
DS poses
DS fires Omega Effect blast
DD dies
DD gets up again
Punch
Punch
Punch
DD drags unconscious Darkseid's body.
KMC isn't a comic, so Apocalypse's isn't limited to the actions that Doomsday's opposition was written to take in a scripted plot.
Simple, really.
Originally posted by illadelph12I'm not saying Apoc can't in some way manipulate him. I'm saying Apoc isn't going to take full fledged control of him and make him a horseman.
Well, for one, there's precedent:Apocalypse once mutated a Deviant into a gigantic mindless unstoppable killing machine in order to unleash it on the other Deviants and Eternals so that the strong would overcome the challenge and the weak would be destroyed. Taking that into account, he'd likely see Doomsday as the ultimate test for the Earth as he's the walking embodiment of Apocalypse's ideal, and therefore, would make the ultimate test for mutantkind and humanity as a whole. Apocalypse's hubris likely would make him see Doomsday as an equal rather as a superior, so the likelihood of him simply bowing to Doomsday is pretty low. The likelihood of him trying to use him as a pawn is about as high as someone having bacon for breakfast.
As for how Apocalypse could achieve this, don't forget Apocalypse has access to the Celestials gene manipulation technology and is an accomplished geneticist in his own right. He also has teleportation powers, technology, and advanced technology which includes forcefields and stasis pods gleaned from the Celestial Ship. KMC Anti-Apocalypse Meme aside, let's not forget some of the accomplishments that Apocalypse does have on panel. He was a tick away from turning himself into a Celestial level being until Cyclops pushed X-Man out of his machinery in The Twelve, and he also created The Harbinger, which had essentially Doomsday's power set (able to adapt to and overcome the threats presented to him).
Let us also not forget that that during the DOS storyline Hank Henshaw was able to implant a beacon into Doomsday in order for him (Hank) to upload his consciousness into it and hitch a ride, so to speak, on Doomsday on his way to Apokolips, so implanting something on Doomsday's hide isn't out of the question.
Apocalypse could either plant a device on Doomsday, like a homing beacon, and simply teleport him to different locales around the Earth to cause destruction and test Earth's heroes, or teleport him back to his laboratory with his Celestial tech and see what wins out, Doomsday's genes or the Celestial's gene modifying technology.
Originally posted by King CastleThis. Apoc may envy DD but DD wouldn't take any pity on him.
yes as a tool not the end result.. a mindless beast is not what he wants or was going for.