SBP vs ASGARDIAN DESTROYER

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Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It didn't destroy the Universe. Not even the planet Earth. It destroyed most life in the Universe however.

I'm not even sure how much of the explosion Prime tanked. I'm pretty sure he and Atom were transported through time which makes sense as Atom gets flung through time/space when he releases large quantities of energy.

Prime and the feat are overrated. For some reason, most people forget that before that explosion, he was really hurt by that city leveling blast Monarch unleashed.

He was ground zero on the blast as he punched through Monarchs chest piece. It wasn't teleportation that got him out of there I think it was just being blasted out of that reality.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Leo, the Destroyer was never knocked out. IIRC, Hercules brought out the host body and Thor struck it right when it left. I don't even understand how you could knock out the Destroyer armor.

me either, which is why i found the feat so odd. i don't recall the spirit leaving until after the destroyer was under the water though. i could always look it up i suppose....

I think it's energy attacks would be something Prime should try and avoid which I doubt he would. Not smart to try and tank it based on what I'ves seen. At least the concentrated ones. If it uses it's ultimate energy attack, Prime better dodge, or it's game over.

i tend to agree with this. wasn't sure about prime's durability. couldn't think of anything off hand that has withstood the beam.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It didn't destroy the Universe. Not even the planet Earth. It destroyed most life in the Universe however.

I'm not even sure how much of the explosion Prime tanked. I'm pretty sure he and Atom were transported through time which makes sense as Atom gets flung through time/space when he releases large quantities of energy.

Prime and the feat are overrated. For some reason, most people forget that before that explosion, he was really hurt by that city leveling blast Monarch unleashed.

hrm. if this is indeed the case, i don't see how he could survive the d-beam if he's hit with it....

Originally posted by Uriel005
He was ground zero on the blast as he punched through Monarchs chest piece. It wasn't teleportation that got him out of there I think it was just being blasted out of that reality.

IIRC, he was lost through time when the Trapper found him. I'm guessing that once the armor was breached, the large quantities of energy teleported Atom and Prime (Probably because he was holding on to Monarch). How much Prime tanked is unclear, but I highly doubt it was all of it.

As I recall, the moment Atom's bursts through time/space were instantaneous.

Originally posted by leonidas
me either, which is why i found the feat so odd. i don't recall the spirit leaving until after the destroyer was under the water though. i could always look it up i suppose....

Nah, Thor struck the Destroyer right when the spirit was leaving as I recall.

Originally posted by leonidas
i tend to agree with this. wasn't sure about prime's durability. couldn't think of anything off hand that has withstood the beam.

hrm. if this is indeed the case, i don't see how he could survive the d-beam if he's hit with it....

Even worse, recently Superboy's heat vision did a number on him. Could be just a low showing. Either way, he isn't tanking the beam.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It didn't destroy the Universe. Not even the planet Earth. It destroyed most life in the Universe however.

I'm not even sure how much of the explosion Prime tanked. I'm pretty sure he and Atom were transported through time which makes sense as Atom gets flung through time/space when he releases large quantities of energy.

Prime and the feat are overrated. For some reason, most people forget that before that explosion, he was really hurt by that city leveling blast Monarch unleashed.

Yeah it did. There was nothing left except a moniter and a plant (which is ridiculous) and it was confirmed by the moniter that the universe was gone. In fact that's the main reason why Nix Uotan was punished by his peers.

Prime did tank it, there's no evidence to say he didn't, that's why he was floating through time unconscious, otherwise CA would have been with him. Also, he did say "That hurt!"... but I mean then again, he says that to pretty much everything and all characters have low showings.

Originally posted by Sirius77
Yeah it did. There was nothing left except a moniter and a plant (which is ridiculous) and it was confirmed by the moniter that the universe was gone. In fact that's the main reason why Nix Uotan was punished by his peers.

Prime did tank it, there's no evidence to say he didn't, that's why he was floating through time unconscious, otherwise CA would have been with him. Also, he did say "That hurt!"... but I mean then again, he says that to pretty much everything and all characters have low showings.

What? Where did it say that the Universe was destroyed? I thought the Monitor was directly referring to all of the life in the Universe. Earth or at least part of it survived the explosion and that was ground zero. Plus a flower, lulz

Prime floating around unconscious in time doesn't prove he tanked the entire blast. Simply that the theory I had of him being transported through time/space rather than dead was on track and that he was knocked out. My stance depends entirely on how Atom's time trips were at the time. If they were like I remembered them (Big flash then boom his gone) I'm off the opinion Prime/Monarch left that time moments after the suit was cracked.

He said and I quote, "That really really hurt."

That's your argument? That he claims being hurt a lot? Doesn't seem beneficial in my opinion but okay.

I find highly unlikely that Prime went from being really hurt by a brief exposure to Monarch's energies, then tanking the breach of his entire suit while weaker all in the same issue only with a knock out. Inconsistency between writers is one thing, but that's a whole other mess.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What? Where did it say that the Universe was destroyed? I thought the Monitor was directly referring to all of the life in the Universe. Earth or at least part of it survived the explosion and that was ground zero. Plus a flower, lulz

Prime floating around unconscious in time doesn't prove he tanked the entire blast. Simply that the theory I had of him being transported through time/space rather than dead was on track and that he was knocked out. My stance depends entirely on how Atom's time trips were at the time. If they were like I remembered them (Big flash then boom his gone) I'm off the opinion Prime/Monarch left that time moments after the suit was cracked.

He said and I quote, "That really [b]really hurt."

That's your argument? That he claims being hurt a lot? Doesn't seem beneficial in my opinion but okay.

I find highly unlikely that Prime went from being really hurt by a brief exposure to Monarch's energies, then tanking the breach of his entire suit while weaker all in the same issue only with a knock out. Inconsistency between writers is one thing, but that's a whole other mess. [/B]

Naw remember the monitor at the end says he will bring life back to universe 51 but he did it without Jason Todd and a few others because it led to Batman wiping out a crap ton of villains which led to the monarch walking over the weaker heroes due to the fact that they had no challenges for a long while.

Originally posted by Uriel005
He was ground zero on the blast as he punched through Monarchs chest piece. It wasn't teleportation that got him out of there I think it was just being blasted out of that reality.
There's no proof he was in the universe after the explosion and no proof he tanked the blast. None.

Originally posted by Uriel005
Naw remember the monitor at the end says he will bring life back to universe 51 but he did it without Jason Todd and a few others because it led to Batman wiping out a crap ton of villains which led to the monarch walking over the weaker heroes due to the fact that they had no challenges for a long while.

Thanks? I'm not arguing life wasn't wiped out. I'm arguing that only life was wiped. At least as far as I know.

Originally posted by quanchi112
There's no proof he was in the universe after the explosion and no proof he tanked the blast. None.
... but the explosion would have blasted him out of the Universe or at least that was my interpretation of it.

Originally posted by Uriel005
... but the explosion would have blasted him out of the Universe or at least that was my interpretation of it.

I think it makes more more sense that the exposure to the Quantum Field (The explosion) teleported him somewhere into the Timestream like it use to do to Atom. Except Prime didn't reach a specific point in time.

Originally posted by Uriel005
... but the explosion would have blasted him out of the Universe or at least that was my interpretation of it.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I think it makes more more sense that the exposure to the Quantum Field (The explosion) teleported him somewhere into the Timestream like it use to do to Atom. Except Prime didn't reach a specific point in time.
That actually makes sense. I was always under the impression Prime was transported out by the time primer but this makes perfect sense just like the suicide blast which was intended to take Prime out actually transported him elsewhere.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What? Where did it say that the Universe was destroyed? I thought the Monitor was directly referring to all of the life in the Universe. Earth or at least part of it survived the explosion and that was ground zero. Plus a flower, lulz

Prime floating around unconscious in time doesn't prove he tanked the entire blast. Simply that the theory I had of him being transported through time/space rather than dead was on track and that he was knocked out. My stance depends entirely on how Atom's time trips were at the time. If they were like I remembered them (Big flash then boom his gone) I'm off the opinion Prime/Monarch left that time moments after the suit was cracked.

He said and I quote, "That really [b]really hurt."

That's your argument? That he claims being hurt a lot? Doesn't seem beneficial in my opinion but okay.

I find highly unlikely that Prime went from being really hurt by a brief exposure to Monarch's energies, then tanking the breach of his entire suit while weaker all in the same issue only with a knock out. Inconsistency between writers is one thing, but that's a whole other mess. [/B]

Sorry that took so long, I re-read everything.

Well it's mentioned several times before this, but the ones prior to this example were ambiguous, but in Final Crisis #1 pg 27, one of the Moniters, when referring to the Orrery (the multiverse) states that "New Earth is secure. The Bleed Drains are intact. The multiversal orrery has survived repair after loss of moving part: Universe 51." Imo thats the clearest example, but there are other references. The plant part was pretty ridiculous though lol. I think that they were going for a reference to hope or something but it didn't really flow with the story imo lol.

As far as Monarch and Prime teleporting away, there was no indication that it happened like that. If it did, they would have been in relatively the same place. Also, they weren't touching. In the page, Superboy-prime jumped off of Monarchs chest with two pieces of armor in his hand, and if I had to speculate, the blast probably blew him even farther away. Either way, if CA had carried him in his port, they would have both been in the same area.

Nah, that's not my argument, I was just saying that he wimps out a lot and then tanks attacks that don't correspond to the level of pain he seems to be expressing. He didn't seem to be damaged by the attack though. As I said before though, it could have just been a low showing, every character has some.

I could see how you would believe that, but like I said, regardless of what he said, his cape was barely even tattered and he had no signs of injury. Also, just because the blast looked similar to a nuclear explosion, does not necessarily indicate that its intensity was the same. I'm guessing it was probably stronger considering the fact that Monarch's power is quantum as opposed to classically "comic book atomic". Even Odin doesn't have to bust a galaxy with every attack for it to be intense.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That actually makes sense. I was always under the impression Prime was transported out by the time primer but this makes perfect sense just like the suicide blast which was intended to take Prime out actually transported him elsewhere.

I think it makes the most sense in my opinion because when absorbing or discharging large amounts of energy, Atom is transported through time.

My guess: Prime was transported due to his close proximity to Atom, but since he isn't Atom, he was left lost in time instead of reaching a specific time line like Atom (Who returned to present day Earth 1).

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I think it makes the most sense in my opinion because when absorbing or discharging large amounts of energy, Atom is transported through time.

My guess: Prime was transported due to his close proximity to Atom, but since he isn't Atom, he was left lost in time instead of reaching a specific time line like Atom (Who returned to present day Earth 1).

Congratulations you just changed my mind. Most posters go lifetimes without achieving this. It's higher than scaling mount everest.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That actually makes sense. I was always under the impression Prime was transported out by the time primer but this makes perfect sense just like the suicide blast which was intended to take Prime out actually transported him elsewhere.

Suicide blast? You act as if Monarch planned to get his chest armor ripped open...

Again though he wasn't close enough to Monarch to be teleported. In fact in all of the comics with CA in them that I have come across I have never seen him jump as a result of injury and take someone with him.

Even if we disregard the universal tanking blast, SBP was completely unhurt by the anti matter wave on earth.

This is also true.

Originally posted by Sirius77
Suicide blast? You act as if Monarch planned to get his chest armor ripped open...

Again though he wasn't close enough to Monarch to be teleported. In fact in all of the comics with CA in them that I have come across I have never seen him jump as a result of injury and take someone with him.

I was referring to the guardian blast which transported him throughout time which it wasn't supposed to.

Nah, Atom was transported away and Prime was lost in time. This is logical and explains everything. The only one who tanked the blast was the Monitor.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I was referring to the guardian blast which transported him throughout time which it wasn't supposed to.

Nah, Atom was transported away and Prime was lost in time. This is logical and explains everything. The only one who tanked the blast was the Monitor.

It didn't transport him throughout time... it transported him outside of the multiverse. That was the Monarch blast that teleported him through time. Completely different arcs.

So Prime just decided to time travel? It had nothing to do with Monarch's quantum universe destroying blast. Right. Prime was practically in the epicenter of the blast and you're saying that he just time traveled away? 😬