Ridley Scott's Prometheus

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
It's science fiction, brah (a particularly symbolic and ambiguous brand, granted, but that makes it interesting because it brings out more of the viewer's personality by what they get out of it). And it hasn't even been fully fleshed out yet. Sci-fi is meant to create a world of the seemingly impossible for the purpose of discussing deep and difficult topics. So you're going a bit overboard with your "logical analysis." You might as well pick apart those flying red-light mapping balls and how impossible they are. If you want perfect literal sense, go watch a boring, ordinary Romance or Drama or something.. f#ck.

It's not so much that explanation of the story was lost because the film was so "f-ing intense & entertaining" or because the genre is sci-fi, so let's not question anything...

The problem with Prometheus is having a story line that contradicts itself leading to too many unanswered questions & theories that only one man,Ridley Scott can confirm or deny substance to.

I'm not talking about wanting to be spoon-fed a story, I'm talking about wanting to fully appreciate where Ridley Scott was coming from & enjoy the experience....not question what he's left out, what's he hiding from us.

Saw this again tonight. Too dope. Second best thing so far this year.

Set Photo's

a elder engineer?........no doubt there will be deleted scenes.

So, I haven't seen it yet, my co-workers have it on bootleg and they're constantly watching it at work, but I've got a question. No need to worry about spoiling it for me, I intend to watch it next movie night we head down to the theater and shit, but:

Spoiler:
They showed what looked like a big ass face-hugger. Didn't they? Was that big ass face-hugger meant for the big ass Space Jockey in the beginning of the first Alien?

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Um... that's of course one possible explanation, but you know: writers/filmmakers do sometimes incorporate these sorts of references to classical literature into their own material. It's not uncommon, and it's not that far fetched. Especially when they work on the thing for months and months and months (as they claimed to). I don't see a filmmaker of Ridley Scott's caliber wasting $140 million on something that is as precious to him as the Alien universe without fine tuning it a bit. So I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on some of the stuff that went unexplained, especially because the film was so f#cking intense and entertaining. I'll grant you: this film is a little disappointing and a huge tease in some respects if there is nothing else to come. But they have another film planned. I think I read that they did their best to make this film stand on its own in case it has to, and I for one still find it extremely enjoyable, but yeah, it does demand a sequel rather blatantly.

But, supposing the whole "Jesus Christ as an emissary" thing is true and 100% intended, you can see how they might not want to come out and say it explicitly. That would be a bit too controversial and would result in some extremely bad press. So, I think it's pretty brilliant to slip it under the radar like they seem to have. QUITE brilliant. Sometimes ambiguity is not only interesting and artful, but discreet as well.

Yes i understand writers do that but it's far more often the case that people read into things which aren't there. For example there's a documentary out this year which examines the alleged underlying themes of Stanley Kubrick's The Shining. Initially the director wanted to explore all the interpretations but he ended up having to cut it down to only 5. These include everything from it being about the slaughter of the native Americans to the holocaust to Kubrick helping fake the moon landings. Is one of them true? Are any of them true?

One thing's for certain, I've never heard Ridley Scott confirm the, what is in my mind utterly stupid notion, that the engineers want to kill us cos we killed Jesus and given the writers history it seems very unlikely that there's any deep unifying theme when almost everything he's done is superficial drivel with the odd isolated reference thrown in to try and make him seem deep.

In this case, either way, it's done in a story so riddled with stupid errors that are frankly impossible to overlook that, for me anyway, they ruin what could've been a classic.

read]: They showed what looked like a big ass face-hugger. Didn't they? Was that big ass face-hugger meant for the big ass Space Jockey in the beginning of the first Alien?

No. film is set on a different planet in the same system so not the same space jockeys.

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
The problem with Prometheus is having a story line that contradicts itself leading to too many unanswered questions & theories that only one man,Ridley Scott can confirm or deny substance to.

That is fair enough, but I guess I don't mind a little ambiguity (however I don't know what you mean by "contradictions"😉 if the themes and concept are right (especially since we haven't heard the full story yet). The movie gets you thinking about some complicated and difficult issues to discuss: such as what it means to truly live, and what is the meaning of life. For example, it would appear that the film is contrasting quite blatantly the desire to survive at all costs vs. knowing when to retire and give way for new life, for others to carry on. Raising these sorts of questions is far more important and interesting to me than necessarily having every question answered. No one minded when Stanley Kubrick did it. Hell, 2001 is hailed as one of the greatest sci-fi films of all time and it's far less entertaining than Prometheus. And quite frankly I'm getting quite bored blathering back and forth about whether or not the movie makes any sense when there are far more interesting concepts to discuss. Which is really what makes a good movie to me: does it bring up interesting themes or doesn't it??!

I mean, it's just symbolism, I think. It's a pretty standard literature device. The filmmakers have their meaning (which probably encompasses a number of interpretations and angles) and the audience is being challenged to find its own interpretation. If Scott did reveal an intended meaning, then it would limit the film. Science Fiction is be a fascinating genre in this respect, and that's why I love it.

Originally posted by Scythe

Spoiler:
They showed what looked like a big ass face-hugger. Didn't they? Was that big ass face-hugger meant for the big ass Space Jockey in the beginning of the first Alien?

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Saw this again tonight. Too dope. Second best thing so far this year.

What was the first dopest thing this year? The heroin you just injected? 😛 I plan on seeing this again today, myself.

Originally posted by jaden101
read]: They showed what looked like a big ass face-hugger. Didn't they? Was that big ass face-hugger meant for the big ass Space Jockey in the beginning of the first Alien?

No. film is set on a different planet in the same system so not the same space jockeys.

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
I guess you could call it a face-hugger of sorts. But you just need to go see the movie, dude. lol

Ah, okay. This kinda clears up any confusion I was havin' with the film. I mean, I knew it was quite distant from the Alien movies, but the way they're advertising the movie is leading some to believe it's a prequel and shit.

Originally posted by Scythe
I knew it was quite distant from the Alien movies, but the way they're advertising the movie is leading some to believe it's a prequel and shit.

But it does have little easter egg's in it if you have seen the alien movies.

I liked seeing

Spoiler:
the xeno or the start of a xeno at the end, I heard a rumor once that it was actually the predators who created the xeno's. My friends thought the planet we saw in the movie was the one in Alien as did I but I pointed out the ship they went in in alien had an engineer pilot still in the seat whereas the one at the end of prometheus did not.

Originally posted by Kazenji
Set Photo's

a elder engineer?........no doubt there will be deleted scenes.

If they did the Engineers with prosthetics and animatronics, I am very impressed. In the theatre it looked like first class motion capture animation, but if they were able to do it live - wow.

Originally posted by Kazenji
But it does have little easter egg's in it if you have seen the alien movies.

Oh, does it? Awesome.

One thing I like about this movie is that most previews lately tend to either give away too much or send the wrong message to people that it's about something else. For most movie-goers down here, it's kinda doing the latter in that people have told me they went in expecting Alien 0.5, so it didn't live up to their expectations. To me, it's got me pretty interested instead of the overly vague tones some previews have where I don't even know what the movie's about.

I'm going to see this tomorrow. I'm guessing it won't be as good as the first two films, but a big leg up over 3, 4, and the Alien vs Predator shite.

Originally posted by roughrider
If they did the Engineers with prosthetics and animatronics, I am very impressed. In the theatre it looked like first class motion capture animation, but if they were able to do it live - wow.

Yeah, it looks great. That's probably one reason why the film looks a lot more expensive than it was.

I'm off to see this again..

The mural from the roof of the main room. quite clearly an alien image in the middle. which i always thought was odd when the film insinuates that they're created for the 1st time at the end. although that's still only speculation.

Cool mural though

Ironically in the crucifix position. maybe Jesus was a xenomorph

better than i expected. What a slick and compelling movie. Story was gracefully told.

Love it. Hater's gonna hate. Give us Part 2, por favor.

Originally posted by jaden101

The mural from the roof of the main room. quite clearly an alien image in the middle. which i always thought was odd when the film insinuates that they're created for the 1st time at the end. although that's still only speculation.

Cool mural though

Didn't the mural change to that after they entered the room? If so maybe it somehow knew it was going to happen this way.

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Yeah, it looks great. That's probably one reason why the film looks a lot more expensive than it was.

I'm off to see this again..

I just got back from my second viewing of it. Full theatre, and they felt like knowledgeable fans who didn't mind it was a bigger story than just a straight prequel.