http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/1097/durability3as2.jpg
There's the scan. Completely supports him controlling his molecules to revert back.
Originally posted by vince_sliceYes we know. But can you prove it is stronger or weaker transmuatation then sersi? Not saying sersi's is stronger i'm just saying with strong enough transmutation powers he won't be able to due that.
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/1097/durability3as2.jpgThere's the scan. Completely supports him controlling his molecules to revert back.
TBH i'd probably bet against it. But hey feats might say otherwise.
Originally posted by vince_slice
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/1097/durability3as2.jpgThere's the scan. Completely supports him controlling his molecules to revert back.
hmmmmmmm from what i gather is that he has no control over whats going on, its just that ass he passes thru each reality his body simply reverts back to his true form...more of a durability feat than anything since the changes had to have been taxing, if he really had that much control over his molecules then it wouldnt have happened at all IIRC
Originally posted by Black bolt z
Yes we know. But can you prove it is stronger or weaker transmuatation then sersi? Not saying sersi's is stronger i'm just saying with strong enough transmutation powers he won't be able to due that.TBH i'd probably bet against it. But hey feats might say otherwise.
I don't have to because I never claimed it to be.
I simply showed evidence that Thanos can resist transmutation and instantly revert back if he does get transmutated.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
hmmmmmmm from what i gather is that he has no control over whats going on, its just that ass he passes thru each reality his body simply reverts back to his true form...more of a durability feat than anything since the changes had to have been taxing, if he really had that much control over his molecules then it wouldnt have happened at all IIRC
How do you interpret his words? "reality like all outside influences...have minimal effect on my being...I always stay true to myself..." with the context of whats happening in the art? If simply moving out of a dimension reverts him back why would he say that?
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t438003.html
her respect thread......anywho i cant seem to find the best one imo, where she was able to transmute IMs armor and change it back, something classic MM could not even do
Originally posted by vince_slice
How do you interpret his words? "reality like all outside influences...have minimal effect on my being...I always stay true to myself..." with the context of whats happening in the art? If simply moving out of a dimension reverts him back why would he say that?
yea i read it, but its not clear if he willed the change or simply as a result of leaving a particular reality reverted back
Originally posted by Sin I AM
yea i read it, but its not clear if he willed the change or simply as a result of leaving a particular reality reverted back
But what do you think this quote means?
"has minimal effects on my being...I always stay true to myself"
Especially the "stay true to myself" part?
Originally posted by Sin I AM
yea i read it, but its not clear if he willed the change or simply as a result of leaving a particular reality reverted back
I agree with this, heres superman going through the same thing. And last I checked this was not supermolecular control
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And look at Thanos here,looks transmuted
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Originally posted by paisapower
I agree with this, heres superman going through the same thing. And last I checked this was not supermolecular control[/URL][/IMG]
And look at Thanos here,looks transmuted
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There's a difference between what happened in the Thanos scan and in the Superman scan that needs to be accounted for.
In the Thanos scan it was stated by Thanos that the transmutation and warping is physically and spiritually taxing, and a lesser being would die. This isn't stated in that Superman scan, unless you have one that does state that?
Another difference is that we know Thanos can control his own molecules because he's an eternal (also confirmed by a Marvel editor). Superman can't. So when someone like Thanos who can control his body's molecules and is shown to revert back from transmutation it's harder to determine if its from simply traveling or from his own power. That's why I looked at his words, which seem to point to him reverting back willfully..."I stay true to myself"
As for the Thanos turning into stone, he did die from that, but he got resurrected by Death and upgraded, so it doesn't apply to current Thanos. Also the Thanos in the scan I posted was after he got his upgrade from Death, because he got his idea about the infinity gems by looking into Death's infinity well.
Yeah after seeing the scan I'd also conclude that Thanos is simply altered as he passes through dimensions/realities and then put back together after leaving each consecutive plane to be altered by the next. The narration insinuates that his physical dexterity and mental grit/willpower (as referenced in the "true to myself" bit) are what allows him to proceed without hindrance. Was this teleportation externally provided or was it his own power? Eternal teleportation physically drains most Eternals and Sersi has been recognized as being one of the few unaffected, so I wonder if all Eternals are subjected to that kind of environment while porting around.
As for Thanos vs Sersi, what we can conclude from his Eternal status is that he isn't canonically a better matter manipulator than her- should we go that rout. She's been stated on panel to be the most adept Eternal manipulator alive and of the highest class possible (the last level 5 adept or somesuch). I'm not saying she would beat him, but I don't think it's fair to compare but one of his powers against someone else who specializes in it.
Originally posted by vince_slice
There's a difference between what happened in the Thanos scan and in the Superman scan that needs to be accounted for.In the Thanos scan it was stated by Thanos that the transmutation and warping is physically and spiritually taxing, and a lesser being would die. This isn't stated in that Superman scan, unless you have one that does state that?
Another difference is that we [b]know
Thanos can control his own molecules because he's an eternal (also confirmed by a Marvel editor). Superman can't. So when someone like Thanos who can control his body's molecules and is shown to revert back from transmutation it's harder to determine if its from simply traveling or from his own power. That's why I looked at his words, which seem to point to him reverting back willfully..."I stay true to myself"As for the Thanos turning into stone, he did die from that, but he got resurrected by Death and upgraded, so it doesn't apply to current Thanos. Also the Thanos in the scan I posted was after he got his upgrade from Death, because he got his idea about the infinity gems by looking into Death's infinity well. [/B]
Im sorry, but all I see is Thanos enduring each dimensional shift through durability and not molecular control.
What other feat does he have anywhere close to this, showing molecular control ?
And what upgrade did he get that would make him immune to transmutation ?
Originally posted by Konton
Yeah after seeing the scan I'd also conclude that Thanos is simply altered as he passes through dimensions/realities and then put back together after leaving each consecutive plane to be altered by the next. The narration insinuates that his physical dexterity and mental grit/willpower (as referenced in the "true to myself" bit) are what allows him to proceed without hindrance. Was this teleportation externally provided or was it his own power? Eternal teleportation physically drains most Eternals and Sersi has been recognized as being one of the few unaffected, so I wonder if all Eternals are subjected to that kind of environment while porting around.As for Thanos vs Sersi, what we can conclude from his Eternal status is that he isn't canonically a better matter manipulator than her- should we go that rout. She's been stated on panel to be the most adept Eternal manipulator alive and of the highest class possible (the last level 5 adept or somesuch). I'm not saying she would beat him, but I don't think it's fair to compare but one of his powers against someone else who specializes in it.
I don't know who's stronger in transmutation but I'm simply trying to point out Thanos has a strong resistance to it as shown by the scan.
1. We know traveling to the nexus of all realities can kill you since it twists and transmutates your form--as stated by Thanos
2. We know it has minimal effect on Thanos' being--as stated by Thanos.
3. We know Thanos can control his molecules since he's an eternal.
4. Thanos states that "I always stay true to myself" after being transmutated multiple times--shown by the art itself.
Taking all this into account, I don't think Sersi's transmutation will be enough to make much of a differences in this fight.
1. Granted, but you're presupposing that Thanos is actively transmuting himself when we don't actually know that.
2. Granted, but my last point still stands.
3. Potentially, yes, he has that power, I just think you're reading too much into the narration and reaching for a feat that isn't there.
4. I guess it depends on how you interpret the narration. If that is our conflict than all we can do is agree to disagree.
5. She's not alone here, though. Maxima has (arguably) more oomph in her telekinesis, albeit with less finesse. Surfer is here too and, well, he and Sersi have canonically established unlimited reserves of energy that they can amp Superman with and then enough left over to attack on their own.
Originally posted by Konton
1. Granted, but you're presupposing that Thanos is actively transmuting himself when we don't actually know that.2. Granted, but my last point still stands.
3. Potentially, yes, he has that power, I just think you're reading too much into the narration and reaching for a feat that isn't there.
4. I guess it depends on how you interpret the narration. If that is our conflict than all we can do is agree to disagree.
5. She's not alone here, though. Maxima has (arguably) more oomph in her telekinesis, albeit with less finesse. Surfer is here too and, well, he and Sersi have canonically established unlimited reserves of energy that they can amp Superman with and then enough left over to attack on their own.
1. Actually no, my first point was just reiterating what Thanos said. I'm not presupposing anything in point 1.
2. See the above.
3. We know he does have the power to control his molecules since he's an eternal.
4. This is where I make my interpretation that Thanos may be using his molecular control to keep himself from being hurt. Again this is my opinion when I read his words and interpreted the art myself.
Even if it is just his durability, you could argue his durability is strong enough to keep him from being seriously hurt from transmutation in the first place with the scan.
So regardless the point that he's resilient toward transmutation is still supported. Even if it's only due to his durability.
5. I know Surfer can amp but so can Thanos. In Blood and Thunder when Thanos fought Odin, Odin makes mention that Thanos draw's from an infinite power source too, just like himself.
In my opinion I still don't think the team has what it takes to take down Thanos for the majority. I mean Surfer seems to be the most powerful overall here but when has he been more than a nuisance for Thanos?
