Thanos vs Maxima, Sersi, Silver Surfer, Superman

Originally posted by vince_slice
1. Actually no, my first point was just reiterating what Thanos said. I'm not presupposing anything in point 1.

2. See the above.

3. We know he does have the power to control his molecules since he's an eternal.

4. This is where I make my interpretation that Thanos may be using his molecular control to keep himself from being hurt. Again this is my opinion when I read his words and interpreted the art myself.

Even if it is just his durability, you could argue his durability is strong enough to keep him from being seriously hurt from transmutation in the first place with the scan.

So regardless the point that he's resilient toward transmutation is still supported. Even if it's only due to his durability.

5. I know Surfer can amp but so can Thanos. In Blood and Thunder when Thanos fought Odin, Odin makes mention that Thanos draw's from an infinite power source too, just like himself.

In my opinion I still don't think the team has what it takes to take down Thanos for the majority. I mean Surfer seems to be the most powerful overall here but when has he been more than a nuisance for Thanos?

Superman alone will give him a hell of a time

Originally posted by paisapower
Superman alone will give him a hell of a time

So you think Superman by himself can stand against Thanos?

Originally posted by vince_slice
So you think Superman by himself can stand against Thanos?

All out supes, definitely

I agree with superman giving thanos trouble if you took away thanos shields. Winning? Naah, that's not happening but being a nuicance (if he is fighting smart)... I could see superman lasting some minutes against him.

Originally posted by carver9
I agree with superman giving thanos trouble if you took away thanos shields. Winning? Naah, that's not happening but being a nuicance (if he is fighting smart)... I could see superman lasting some minutes against him.

I mean trouble, real trouble not just a nuicance. Shields or not

Originally posted by paisapower
I mean trouble, real trouble not just a nuicance. Shields or not

No, just no.

I think surfer is more durable than supes and he got dropped by thanos. Supes isn't getting past thanos shields. Supes isn't tanking thanos punches.

I have seen supes fight people in thanos class dropping from one blow... examples, v&v despero, monarch, and titus.

Superman isn't beating thanos but if he fought smart, used his superior speed and evaded some of thanos punches, he could last some minutes. One solid blow and he is out of the fight imo.

Originally posted by carver9
No, just no.

I think surfer is more durable than supes and he got dropped by thanos. Supes isn't getting past thanos shields. Supes isn't tanking thanos punches.

I have seen supes fight people in thanos class dropping from one blow... examples, v&v despero, monarch, and titus.

Superman isn't beating thanos but if he fought smart, used his superior speed and evaded some of thanos punches, he could last some minutes. One solid blow and he is out of the fight imo.

Superman has also one shot Despero and when ready was handling titus just fine. As for Monarch your nuts if you think Thanos is in his class.

Superman has gone physical with being above Thanos.

And as for one blow taking supes out, ya only if your writing the comic

Originally posted by vince_slice
There's a difference between what happened in the Thanos scan and in the Superman scan that needs to be accounted for.

In the Thanos scan it was stated by Thanos that the transmutation and warping is physically and spiritually taxing, and a lesser being would die. This isn't stated in that Superman scan, unless you have one that does state that?

Another difference is that we [b]know Thanos can control his own molecules because he's an eternal (also confirmed by a Marvel editor). Superman can't. So when someone like Thanos who can control his body's molecules and is shown to revert back from transmutation it's harder to determine if its from simply traveling or from his own power. That's why I looked at his words, which seem to point to him reverting back willfully..."I stay true to myself"

As for the Thanos turning into stone, he did die from that, but he got resurrected by Death and upgraded, so it doesn't apply to current Thanos. Also the Thanos in the scan I posted was after he got his upgrade from Death, because he got his idea about the infinity gems by looking into Death's infinity well. [/B]

As for all out Super, what about Thanos going all out.

Did people ACTUALLY bring up Warlock using a spell on Thanos and turning him into stone? It wasn't even the same type of transmutation Sersi would use.. it was more like a magical spell. Not to mention... he was empowered by Abstracts... caught Thanos by surprise coming out of the Soul Gem.. and was USING the Soul Gem amp his powers. Mind you..... Warlock was killed by Thanos in one shot... prior to this. Not to mention this was pre-upgrade Thanos and he's never been transmuted again.

The scan Vince put up.. seems rather clear to me... Thanos states MOST everybody would die from do what he is doing.. He DOESN'T... not it's not just because as he passes one reality he just reverts back... that is one of the dumbest things I've heard in awhile. If that was true... then most everybody would live.. as they would simply be reverted back on their own after each reality. However, we know that ISN'T true because the writer of the story states most would die. So something is going on that THANOS IS DOING that is making it so he doesn't die. Thanos has transmutation abilities... thus that seems like the likely answer.

As for the fight... Thanos takes it pretty convincingly

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
The scan Vince put up.. seems rather clear to me... Thanos states MOST everybody would die from do what he is doing.. He DOESN'T... not it's not just because as he passes one reality he just reverts back... that is one of the dumbest things I've heard in awhile. If that was true... then most everybody would live.. as they would simply be reverted back on their own after each reality. However, we know that ISN'T true because the writer of the story states most would die. So something is going on that THANOS IS DOING that is making it so he doesn't die. Thanos has transmutation abilities... thus that seems like the likely answer.

As for the fight... Thanos takes it pretty convincingly

ok two issues from this post. It can also be implied that by traveling thru the different realities, Thanoss' willpower and physical durability is what keeps him alive not his transmution abilities, if the latter was the case then he once he entered the first reality and was subsequently changed then he simply would have applied said powers prior to entrance into another reality and not dealt with it at all. It seems to me that he was either unable or not powerful enough to revert under his own power in each particular reality via transmutation. However, he was durable enough to withstand it and once he left that plane was simply reverted back as the occurance no longer held any effect.

also this fight is not so cut and dry as you seem to surmise. true norrin is nothing more than a nuisance to thanos time and time again. And if he were fighting him solely then this wouldn't be a debate, but you also have Clark (who would be amped) Maxima (a durable viable distraction) and Sersi, whose transmutation skills imo are grander than Thanos. There are plenty of tactics the team can employ ftw to be simply written off is ignorance

those transformations simply show him being affected by the physical laws of different realities as he apssed through them and surviving, they dont show he can resist reality warping as people have claimed. he wasnt actively manipulating his own mass to counter the effects either

He was at the NEXUS of realities.. where all realities meet... he wasn't passing through different realities.. he was at the nexus of them. So this theory that he was passing through different realities is just nonsense.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
He was at the NEXUS of realities.. where all realities meet... he wasn't passing through different realities.. he was at the nexus of them. So this theory that he was passing through different realities is just nonsense.

thats not what is depicted.....Thanos stated that his trek takes him thru dimensions, thru "different" (several) realities. A nexus is a particular fixed point which links all realities. In order to have been in a nexus he would have to had been stationary (or moving around in circles) within that point not traveling thru several realities ( even though he may have used the nexus to travel from one point to the next) which is what was stated in the scan. Your logic and what was shown is not synonymus.