Team Surfer vs JLA

Originally posted by carver9
Lol at this post.

The black hole superman held was contained. The containment field was ruptured and slowly disentegrating until the containment field was fixed. Superman didn't hold a black hole but he did hold a contained black hole.

what's your point? so what green lantern helped a little. gladiator could never have strength to do that. the dude struggle lifting the baxter building

Superman never soloed a planet by himself. Him and wondy along with the martian moved a moon... him and a gl moved a planet and he also moved it again with the aid of wondy and martian again.

Lol... the only reason zod and superman punches was destroying the planet was due to the fact that they were connected to the planet. Any type of damage done to supes or zod took effect on the planet. That feat had NOTHING to do with physical strength.

Imperiex probes? Black lightning took out an impriex probe. Wonder woman mother took out two imperex probes, aquaman took out a probe. Gladiator would take out a probe as well. I don't understand your post on who he fought, I never said that he was weak.

Superman has never raced a photon but he did state that he could.

I brought up cannonball not because cannonball is powerful but the fact that he was going to get punched freom the earth to the core of the sun.

Gladiator never fought thunderstrike, he fought masterson.

So superman can destroy a planet with his fist? Prove it.

How about contain a solar system blast, can he do that?

How about having an on pane statement of flying 100 times he speed of light?

How about a high 100 tonner flying straight to his chest bouncing off due to glads durability, has that happened.

How about shooting cosmic energy from his chest and his entire body, can supes do that?

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
carver just schooled mrMind... O_O

get real, fanboy, your man just got owned

Sorry Carver, I know you want to own this kid yourself some more, but this is too easy. 😛

Originally posted by MrMind
punching shattering planet has nothing to do with physical strength? you serious? now these are just some scans of superman destroying planet feats, there are more

Context is important when debating whether a feat is usable in a debate in order to establish power levels. You mentioned that Superman can destroy planets, yet the example you presented is rife with context due to plot (they were linked to the planet and any damage they sustained manifested in the form of damage to the planet as well) and is thus a very poor example of you trying to show that Superman can indeed destroy a planet himself.

How can you not see this?

Originally posted by MrMind
http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/5476/superman1zh.jpg
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/6026/superman3f.jpg
http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/6509/superman2t.jpg
http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/7678/superman4.jpg

Let's see now:
-hyperbolic personal statements =/= proof. He also said "If I pound away on something LONG ENOUGH..." w/c can be argued that it means that he's implying that breaking a planet will take time.
-moon + Plot device (IMP) + he also KOd himself doing it.
-moon
-Carver already debunked this example.

You suck at this, I think you need a little practice, kid. 😛

Originally posted by MrMind
get real, fanboy, your man just got owned

Fanboy? How am I a fanboy?? O_O All I said was something everyone here agrees with, other than yourself.

Also, I think you're owning YOURSELF in this debate. Stop now before Carver humiliates you further.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Sorry Carver, I know you want to own this kid yourself some more, but this is too easy. 😛

Context is important when debating whether a feat is usable in a debate in order to establish power levels. You mentioned that Superman can destroy planets, yet the example you presented is rife with context due to plot (they were linked to the planet and any damage they sustained manifested in the form of damage to the planet as well) and is thus a very poor example of you trying to show that Superman can indeed destroy a planet himself.

How can you not see this?

Let's see now:
-hyperbolic personal statements =/= proof. He also said "If I pound away on something LONG ENOUGH..." w/c can be argued that it means that he's implying that breaking a planet will take time.
-moon + Plot device (IMP) + he almost killed himself doing it.
-moon
-Carver already debunked this example.

You suck at this, I think you need a little practice, kid. 😛

Fanboy? How am I a fanboy?? O_O All I said was something everyone here agrees with, other than yourself.

Also, I think you're owning YOURSELF in this debate. Stop now before Carver humiliates you further.

Originally posted by MrMind
superman destroyed moon twice,

So, you retract your statement that he's destroyed planets multiple times?

Lol. Concession accepted.

Originally posted by MrMind
and he stated he could destroy planet,

Gladiator's been stated to collapse stars with his fists. Hyperbolic statements ARE NOT considered evidence.

Take notes pls, you might wanna keep this in mind, the next time you debate.

Originally posted by MrMind
also he destroyed planet in the fight with zod.

ALREADY DEBUNKED. Pls stop beating on this dead horse.

Originally posted by MrMind
it's poor example that fanboy like you want to use gladiator PIS destroying planet feat to measure his normal level.

There you go again with the word "fanboy". I didn't come here supporting Glads. I merely pointed out your obvious logical flaws. That's not fanboyism, that's being a debater.

A fanboy, is someone who insists on an outcome of a character he favors while providing poor proof and poor logic.

Kinda like what you did.

Originally posted by MrMind
normal level gladiator got owned by hulk, beaten hyperion with extreme difficulty, got owned by freaking gambit or cannonball can't even take down cap, fantastic four, Corsair.

Sigh. Pointless gibberish as I was never arguing in behalf of Gladiator in the first place. Just pointing out logical flaws.

Originally posted by MrMind
can't save his teamates from vulcan.

You DO know that he owned Vulcan in that fight, right?

Originally posted by MrMind
and you're only using the planet destroying feats?

You're the one who mentioned Superman could destroy planets. The only one here who's been provided proof of planet smashing has been Gladiator.

Where is your proof?

Originally posted by MrMind
what about all the planetary feats superman had? did you just completely ignored that?

Such as?

Originally posted by MrMind
dude how the hell would you know that planet gladiator destroyed > moon?

YOU'RE the one who said:

Originally posted by MrMind
and superman has shown to be able to destroy planets in multiple occasions.

Which is not true. I merely said you were wrong. Pls don't ASSUME that someone is in support of a character or another simply because he pointed out how much you fail in your examples.

Originally posted by MrMind
seriously, gladiator had trouble lifting baxter building, from what we know it might be a very small planet. and it was stated that the planet's old. it's an unstable planet and gladiator took multiple punches on it.

Lowballing is what fanboys do, fyi.

Originally posted by MrMind
I think you need to get off people's d#ck and actually have your own arguements why gladiator would beat superman.

Pls Pls Pls point out where I said: "Gladiator beats Superman" in this debate.

Again, just because someone points out how bad you are at debating, doesn't mean he supports any character whatsoever.

He might just think you're debating poorly.

You might wanna keep that in mind as well. Keep taking notes pls.

Originally posted by MrMind
everyone here agrees gladiator could beat superman?

No. Everyone agrees that you got owned.

Comprehension FAIL right there.

Still taking notes, son?

Originally posted by MrMind
WTF? there's at least 3 people in this thread said JLA wins. and like 3 or 4 people on your side. and what is this a popularity contest? the side got more votes win? get real, fanboy, seriously. kmc is a massive marvel bias site with lots of superman hating. of course you got tons of people backing gladiator, but that doesn't mean gladiator can win. you can go to any other comics site like comicvine to ask people who wins between the two. the majority goes to superman. every single credible person would agree superman beats the crap out of gladiator.
superman has better feats, and without the gladiator jobbing feats. superman is everything gladiator is and everything gladiator want to be.

Pointless gibberish as you seem to have a poor grasp of what my point was.

Pls come back when you've had a bit more practice debating....

Lots of ownage going on in here lol! Keep this thread going!

Edit: Carver if you say Glads walked through Nova or tooled the entire Nova Corps one more time I'm coming for ya 😛

Originally posted by dmills
Lots of ownage going on in here lol! Keep this thread going!

Edit: Carver if you say Glads walked through Nova or tooled the entire Nova Corps one more time I'm coming for ya 😛

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
So, you retract your statement that he's destroyed planets multiple times?

Lol. Concession accepted.

Gladiator's been stated to collapse stars with his fists. Hyperbolic statements ARE NOT considered evidence.

Take notes pls, you might wanna keep this in mind, the next time you debate.

There you go again with the word "fanboy". I didn't come here supporting Glads. I merely pointed out your obvious logical flaws. That's not fanboyism, that's being a debater.

A fanboy, is someone who insists on an outcome of a character he favors while providing poor proof and poor logic.

Kinda like what you did.

Sigh. Pointless gibberish as I was never arguing in behalf of Gladiator in the first place. Just pointing out logical flaws.

You DO know that he owned Vulcan in that fight, right?

You're the one who mentioned Superman could destroy planets. The only one here who's been provided proof of planet smashing has been Gladiator.

Where is your proof?

Such as?

Lowballing is what fanboys do, fyi.

Pointless gibberish as you seem to have a poor grasp of what my point was.

Pls come back when you've had a bit more practice debating....

Superman didnt just destroy the moon, he destroyed the moon travellinig at close to 6 million mph. He equalled its force. If anybody can do the math,Im sure its way more than Earth size destroying force.

Earth two was destroyed as a side effect of both supermen punching each other.

Originally posted by MrMind
He destroyed planet in the fight with zod. no matter the circumstances that's a planet . and the planet gladiator destroyed is probably smarller than a moon anyway.

Lol. So you're saying CONTEXT and CIRCUMSTANCES shouldn't be considered when making an argument? Such fail and desperate "logic"....

With that kind of logic, I can say that Surfer defeated TWO HIGH ABSTRACTS by himself.

See how that works out for you?

Originally posted by MrMind
then I guess the 100 speed of light when entering hyperspace from reed richards isn't evidence either

Sure, why not? I didn't present that as evidence anyway. 😛

Originally posted by MrMind
stop being a loser and have an actual arguement

Lol. That's funny coming from you...

Originally posted by MrMind
you agree with carver, carver thinks gladiator has better feats. I don't think so. so make up your mind who would win a fight between the two.

Agreeing with someone isn't siding with a specific character. I just think he made a better presentation of his facts and called you out on your failure with yours. That DOES NOT equate to me siding with Gladiator, however.

You might want to learn to distinguish between the two.

Again, keep that notebook handy, you'll learn a thing or two here about debating.

Originally posted by MrMind
you haven't provide any proof here.

Of the failure of your argument? I don't have to. Just have to point out where your argument fails.

W/c I've done quite successfully.

Originally posted by MrMind
and you're just trolling

Nope, I'm not. I guess the truth just hurts you too much... :-/

Originally posted by MrMind
what logic flaws? come again? didn't superman and zod trading blows making the planet shattered?

See above.

Originally posted by MrMind
I do know that. and almost half his teamates got killed by vulcan

W/c only proves that his teammates suck and not him.

Originally posted by MrMind
um, the f#cking scan of superman and zod?

Context debunks your argument. Superman didn't destroy the planet in the way you imply it to be, him, zod and a plot device did.

Trying to mislead ppl thru your statements is a poor debating ploy. H1 is that you?

It's like saying you can smash buildings with your bare hands just cuz you pushed the button to the detonator that brought the building down. Misleading and poor debating form.

Originally posted by MrMind
um moving earth twice?

With help. And how does being able to pull a planet with help equate to combat feats? :-/

Originally posted by MrMind
I'm not low-balling, gladiator had trouble with all these low-level characters, it's not even PIS anymore, he's just not that good.

Um. No. With every low-showing example you show, we can show an example of Glad's high-showing examples, SOME basically top the Superman examples you've presented.

I'm not saying Glad's > Supes. I'm just saying you suck at presenting your case.

Originally posted by MrMind
I know your point.

Based on your replies to it? Don't think so.

Originally posted by MrMind
and just so you know my point is you are a kiss @ss who really want gladiator to win but are too much of a p#ssy to say it

See? Don't talk about ppl you don't know. You base your perceptions on some very shallow/limited information and you form half-assed conclusions with an obviously defensive posturing.

FYI, Superman was the 2nd character I ever read (First was Teen titans when I was like 7 years old... I'm in my 30s now and I still collect) and I DO collect Superman comics.

I like Glads. But not as much as Supes, tbh. I just get amused at watching defensive fanboys' fume at the nose everytime someone doesn't support their fave character.

I love comics Supes. Forum Supes with gay fanboys is the guy I don't like too much.

Again, you really shouldn't talk about ppl you don't know about.

Originally posted by MrMind
what's your point? so what green lantern helped a little. gladiator could never have strength to do that. the dude struggle lifting the baxter building

him wondy and martian along move the earth, him and wondy move the moon, get your fact straight
he alone with green lantern construct move the earth to the sun at high speed. so that's a soloed lifting feat.

punching shattering planet has nothing to do with physical strength? you serious? now these are just some scans of superman destroying planet feats, there are more
http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/5476/superman1zh.jpg
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/6026/superman3f.jpg
http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/6509/superman2t.jpg
http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/7678/superman4.jpg

no you implied gladiator is more powerful than superman which is not the case, gladiator got owned by cannonball, hulk, gambit. he couldn't even took down fantastic four deathbird or captain america. since you are a gladiator fanboy I think you might known very well of his low-showing feats.

so? that was long time ago, I forgot some of the detail. but the fact that superman (writer) stated he could means he could.

cough
http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/6196/cannonball.jpg

there's another masterson other than thunderstrike father and son?

gladiator destroyed an old unstable planet with no detail of size with his fist. superman destroyed planets before, but most of the time not with his fists

yeah superman escaped black hole

how about travel speed in hyperspace means sh#t in battle and gladiator has never ever shown that kind speed in battle. how about him getting own by gambit, you want a scan of that?

how about superman punch lobo to the orbit? how about split a moon in half. how about gladiator having trouble with colossus

yeah superman lifted half of spectre and infinity book, both weight infinity, with superman strength, gladiator's durability means nothing

get real, fanboy, your man just got owned

Mr. Mind, you are terrible.

Gladiator didn't struggle with the baxter building, what are you talking about?

He had help moving the planet. Even though its an amazing feat, its not a solo feat.

Lol... so you poost a feat of superman being koed by the force of the moon and use that as a high showing?

You post him going through a small moon and use it as a planet destroying feat?

I just TOLD you that superman and zod was conneted to the planet. That was the reason the planet was being destroyed. Why post a feat you know nothing about? Read Superman words in the scan that you put up.

Gladiator didn't get OWNED by cannonball, he was annihilating cannonball and was about to punch him into the core of the sun. Cannonball then conjure up a miracle and absorbed gladiator entire punch and redirected it back at gladiator and gladiator still wasn't koed.

Gladiator getting owned by hulk isn't a bad showing, especially since gladiator kryptonite was on the battlefield. Please let's not use low showings especially since superman is full of low showings.

Lol... you do know that superman was amped during the time he punched lobo out of orbit right. A couple of comics later he hulked up.

Prove that gladiator destroyed an unstable planet and show me supes destroying a planet.

Why bring up low showings when it doesn't aid you?

Ill give you that, he did escape a black hole.

I agree with you as well on space flight... it means jack when referring to combat speed, I have been saying this for years but I do have scans of gladiator blitzing at light speed in a gravitational environment.

Gladiator didn't have trouble with colossus, where did you get that from. Going by feats, colossus>equus and equus showing against supes is greater than colossus showing against glads.

Everything else you said about infinite weight is hyperbole because neither gladiator or superman can lift infinite weight.

Carver: Why do you have dman as a sig? That's miiiine!

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Carver: Why do you have dman as a sig? That's miiiine!

Lol... me being honest, my girl put this on for me. She tried to put da man but she forgot the "a".

I like dman better though. 😛

Originally posted by dmills
Lots of ownage going on in here lol! Keep this thread going!

Edit: Carver if you say Glads walked through Nova or tooled the entire Nova Corps one more time I'm coming for ya 😛

Lol... well, he didn't tool the ENTIRE nova corps since nova prime wasn't there (I wish he was one of them though)... so with that said, I will not bring it up again. Didn't we have a heated argument about this a while back or was it someone else? I can't remember the other guys name who has a sig just like you.

I'd actually put Nova on my sig (as he is one of my fave chars evar) but ppl would start saying I was biased everytime I'd argue for him...

I shud put Superman in my Sig so ppl wouldn't think I'm biased against im in every argument....

Hm.. would work, lets give it a shot! lol.

I like the Cannonball defeat and baxter building strugling comments.
Like superman (or any character in that aspect) has never been defeated by weaker opponents or shown facial expressions performing a (seamingly easy for his class) lifting feat (superman on lifting a pyramid for example)

Originally posted by carver9
Lol... well, he didn't tool the ENTIRE nova corps since nova prime wasn't there (I wish he was one of them though)... so with that said, I will not bring it up again. Didn't we have a heated argument about this a while back or was it someone else? I can't remember the other guys name who has a sig just like you.

Holy shit this thread is on fire

Originally posted by Damborgson
Silver Surfer, Gladiator, Beta Ray Bill, Captain Marvel, Terrax, Morg vs Superman, Wonder Woman, Supergirl (Kara Zor-el) aquaman, flash, batman, green lantern, martian manhunter, green arrow, plastic man, captain atom, big barda, hawkman, hawkgirl. Fight to the death. Takes place on a planet 2 times the size of earth, no BFR.

Silver Silver is an energy manipulator of the highest caliber and would be a threat to Superman and Supergirl. But Captain Atom and Green Lantern would over whelm Surfer. He's good but not that good.

Morg and BRB are Physically the most imposing on Marvel's side but, Wonder Woman, Superman, and Martian Manhunter would kick thier asses. Telepathy, Magic Lassos, Superman's stronger than everyone power, and it's a quick fight.

Leaving Captain Marvel, Gladiator, and Terrax.

Terrax is easily matched by Barda. By the Time Terrax wins, Superman and Wonder Woman are taking his head off.

Gladiator has killed Hawk Man and Hawk Woman and is meeting slight resistance from Supergirl. Suddendly he loses all his strength. Martian Manhunter has erased all his confidence and Supergirl KO's him.

The JLA has way too many options and numbers.

Just a couple of thoughts...

The Superman/GL earth feat was a combined feat, undoubtedly. Superman specifically says "Add your power to mine" (AFTER Hal created the construct), so Hal is doing a large bit of the moving.

http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/uu71/Desaad86/Hal%20Jordan%203/Hal3.jpg
http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/uu71/Desaad86/Hal%20Jordan%203/Hal4.jpg
http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/uu71/Desaad86/Hal%20Jordan%203/Hal5.jpg
http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/uu71/Desaad86/Hal%20Jordan%203/Hal6.jpg
http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/uu71/Desaad86/Hal%20Jordan%203/Hal7.jpg

But it's ALSO worth noting that they aren't just moving a wobbly planet -- they're moving the planet earth against the power of countless absorbed suns, a force great enough to fling the earth into the sun. Remember, FLING it into the sun, not just cause it's orbit to slightly degrade, blah blah blah. That is INFINITELY more impressive than moving a stationary earth, and infinitely more impressive than moving a wobbly earth (which, by the way, Superman, Wonder Woman and Martian Manhunter were INCAPABLE of doing...it took the weirdly powered up Kyle Rayner to do that).

In regards to the Superman/Zod fight in the Phantom Zone, was it ever explicitly stated that the damage they were inflicting upon each other was directly what caused the destruction of the planet, via some link? It's been a while since I've read it, and I certainly remember the comparisons being made (my skin cracks, the a fault line shatters) but that need not mean there was a literal connection between the two.

The "infinite" thing was obvious hyperbole -- if the Spectre actually weighed an infinite amount, setting him down on the planet earth would have destroyed it, regardless of inertia.

Originally posted by Desaad
Just a couple of thoughts...

The Superman/GL earth feat was a combined feat, undoubtedly. Superman specifically says "Add your power to mine" (AFTER Hal created the construct), so Hal is doing a large bit of the moving.

But it's ALSO worth noting that they aren't just moving a wobbly planet -- they're moving the planet earth against the power of countless absorbed suns, a force great enough to fling the earth into the sun. Remember, FLING it into the sun, not just cause it's orbit to slightly degrade, blah blah blah. That is INFINITELY more impressive than moving a stationary earth, and infinitely more impressive than moving a wobbly earth (which, by the way, Superman, Wonder Woman and Martian Manhunter were INCAPABLE of doing...it took the weirdly powered up Kyle Rayner to do that).

In regards to the Superman/Zod fight in the Phantom Zone, was it ever explicitly stated that the damage they were inflicting upon each other was directly what caused the destruction of the planet, via some link? It's been a while since I've read it, and I certainly remember the comparisons being made (my skin cracks, the a fault line shatters) but that need not mean there was a literal connection between the two.

The "infinite" thing was obvious hyperbole -- if the Spectre actually weighed an infinite amount, setting him down on the planet earth would have destroyed it, regardless of inertia.