Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Lol. So you're saying CONTEXT and CIRCUMSTANCES shouldn't be considered when making an argument? Such fail and desperate "logic"....
With that kind of logic, I can say that Surfer defeated TWO HIGH ABSTRACTS by himself.
Sure, why not? I didn't present that as evidence anyway. 😛
Lol. That's funny coming from you...
Agreeing with someone isn't siding with a specific character. I just think he made a better presentation of his facts and called you out on your failure with yours. That DOES NOT equate to me siding with Gladiator, however.You might want to learn to distinguish between the two.
Again, keep that notebook handy, you'll learn a thing or two here about debating.
Of the failure of your argument? I don't have to. Just have to point out where your argument fails.
W/c I've done quite successfully.
Nope, I'm not. I guess the truth just hurts you too much... :-/
See above.
W/c only proves that his teammates suck and not him.
these are completely garbage posts from you, no arguements, just insulting, what a surprise.
Context debunks your argument. Superman didn't destroy the planet in the way you imply it to be, him, zod and a plot device did.
Trying to mislead ppl thru your statements is a poor debating ploy. H1 is that you?
It's like saying you can smash buildings with your bare hands just cuz you pushed the button to the detonator that brought the building down. Misleading and poor debating form.
With help. And how does being able to pull a planet with help equate to combat feats? :-/
Um. No. With every low-showing example you show, we can show an example of Glad's high-showing examples, SOME basically top the Superman examples you've presented.
I'm not saying Glad's > Supes. I'm just saying you suck at presenting your case.Based on your replies to it? Don't think so.
again, get an arguement.
See? Don't talk about ppl you don't know. You base your perceptions on some very shallow/limited information and you form half-assed conclusions with an obviously defensive posturing.FYI, Superman was the 2nd character I ever read (First was Teen titans when I was like 7 years old... I'm in my 30s now and I still collect) and I DO collect Superman comics.
I like Glads. But not as much as Supes, tbh. I just get amused at watching defensive fanboys' fume at the nose everytime someone doesn't support their fave character.
I love comics Supes. Forum Supes with gay fanboys is the guy I don't like too much.
Again, you really shouldn't talk about ppl you don't know about.
Originally posted by carver9
Mr. Mind, you are terrible.
Gladiator didn't struggle with the baxter building, what are you talking about?[
He had help moving the planet. Even though its an amazing feat, its not a solo feat.
Lol... so you poost a feat of superman being koed by the force of the moon and use that as a high showing?
You post him going through a small moon and use it as a planet destroying feat?
I just TOLD you that superman and zod was conneted to the planet. That was the reason the planet was being destroyed. Why post a feat you know nothing about? Read Superman words in the scan that you put up.
Gladiator didn't get OWNED by cannonball, he was annihilating cannonball and was about to punch him into the core of the sun. Cannonball then conjure up a miracle and absorbed gladiator entire punch and redirected it back at gladiator and gladiator still wasn't koed.Gladiator getting owned by hulk isn't a bad showing, especially since gladiator kryptonite was on the battlefield. Please let's not use low showings especially since superman is full of low showings.
Lol... you do know that superman was amped during the time he punched lobo out of orbit right. A couple of comics later he hulked up.
Prove that gladiator destroyed an unstable planet and show me supes destroying a planet.
Why bring up low showings when it doesn't aid you?
Ill give you that, he did escape a black hole.I agree with you as well on space flight... it means jack when referring to combat speed, I have been saying this for years but I do have scans of gladiator blitzing at light speed in a gravitational environment.
Gladiator didn't have trouble with colossus, where did you get that from. Going by feats, colossus>equus and equus showing against supes is greater than colossus showing against glads.
Everything else you said about infinite weight is hyperbole because neither gladiator or superman can lift infinite weight.
Originally posted by MrMind
yeah I said superman destroyed the planet in the fight with zod.
How is this ANY different from the analogy I made below? OH WAIT! It's not.
You suck at debating. Seriously.
Originally posted by MrMind
and you completely diregard the fact that the planet gladiator destroyed doesn't have a size. in context it's an old planet without knowint the size. so it could be as big as a football field.
Um... FYI, this logic goes both ways, you competlely disregard the possibilty might be even LARGER than the planet Earth.
Of course, being a fanboy, I'm sure you're just gonna lowball the feat by any means possible.
Funny thing is, I didn't even make any other argument other than the fact that your logic sucks in every way possible.
Originally posted by MrMind
😆 such a horrible analogy
No, it's an exact analogy. If you disregard context, just about anything that can fit into a specific description can be made into an argument.
Seriously, are you 10? You don't seem to have a solid grasp of logic.
Originally posted by MrMind
well carver did.
Take it up with him then. Again, you seem to be very confused. Might wanna sit down and refocus.
Originally posted by MrMind
you see? no arguements from you
Argue about what? You didn't present a point when I made this statement.
Again, you seem confused.
Originally posted by MrMind
don't be a d#ck, you come in here arguing every point in favor of gladiator
LOL. No, I didn't. I merely pointed out that Carver did a good job at destroying your points. And then I pointed out some flaws in your logic.
You might wanna re-read my replies.
You're the one that has his panty in a bunch just 'cuz ppl disagree with your crappy logic.
Originally posted by MrMind
these are completely garbage posts from you, no arguements, just insulting, what a surprise.
You're making no points anymore, IF you actually presented a REAL argument instead of whining like a 2 year old, I'd actually debate with you.
The way it is, I simply pointed out your logical flaws in my previous posts and you haven't yet offered proper rebuttal to protect your points.
Originally posted by MrMind
what am I implying then?
That the feat of him "destroying several planets" showcases his strength
based on this argument:
Originally posted by MrMind
punching shattering planet has nothing to do with physical strength? you serious? now these are just some scans of superman destroying planet feats, there are more
The flaw here is twofold:
1) He doesn't have MULTIPLE feats of destroying a planet. He had one.
2) On the ONE SINGLE feat you DID present wherein he was destroying a planet, a PLOT DEVICE was the one causing the damage, not Superman's strength (not directly anyway).
Thus this portion of your argument in defense of Superman's formidably and strength FAILS horribly. W/c is sad cuz, I actually put Superman above Glads in feats. It's just sad that you don't know how to present it properly.
Again, you might wanna learn a thing or two about logic and debating before posting here, it's starting to get embarrassing.
Originally posted by MrMind
I'm misleading? you guys trying to use gladiator flying 100x light speed in hyperspace as an arguement. and you are calling me misleading.
Um. Again, I didn't make this argument.
You seemed to be very mad and very confused. Sit down for a sec, sonny. The butthurt is getting to you.
And yes, you were misleading based on the statement you made above that I quoted. 🙂
Originally posted by MrMind
that's exactly like gladiator destroyed that planet. first of all, that's a planet without knowing the size. second of all, it's an old planet, and unstable old planet got cracked up by gladiator by multiple punhes is like pushing the button of detonator.
And I'm sure you have some sort of scan to PROVE this above statement.
Lemme save us both some time: You don't.
You SURE like to speculate in your arguments... (might wanna look up what "speculate" is. Here's a HINT: It's not good to do it in a debate...! Makes you look like a silly wabbit.)
Originally posted by MrMind
you ask for the planetary feats from superman, and I named the pulling earth. by the way, he did pulled the entire earth with green lantern construct with his own strength while the earth was being pulled to the sun. just so you knowing pulling a planet>destroying one
Joint feats can't be used in a debate as DIRECT quantifiable proof of anything, especially when you cannot quantify the contribution made by the assisting party. If I carry a 200 lb table with 10 other ppl, I can't go claiming that I can lift 200 lbs, can I?
And no, pulling a planet is NOT > destroying one. One is a pulling feat one is a hitting feat.
Which ability ACTUALLY benefits combat? One's ability to pull or one's ability to hit hard?
Hint: it's not pulling.
Originally posted by MrMind
no you can't, especially if you lost to gambit or cannonball.and exactly which showings top the superman examples?
Superman has more low feats than Glads has, fyi. Ppl here already presented a multitudes of them. Closing your eyes and going "lalala" doesn't change the fact that he has low feats as well.
Many posters here already presented Glads destroying a planet with his fists SOLO. You have Supes flying thru a moon and KOing himself in the process.
Originally posted by MrMind
again, get an arguement.
Those WERE arguments. They just went over your head.
Originally posted by MrMind
cry me a river
Nah. You're doing a good enough job of that for all of us.
Re: Team Surfer vs JLA
Originally posted by Damborgson
Silver Surfer, Gladiator, Beta Ray Bill, Captain Marvel, Terrax, Morgvs
Superman, Wonder Woman, Supergirl (Kara Zor-el) aquaman, flash, batman, green lantern, martian manhunter, green arrow, plastic man, captain atom, big barda, hawkman, hawkgirl.
Fight to the death.
Takes place on a planet 2 times the size of earth, no BFR.
