Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Shit, not much of a shield.Here we go:
It's metal, will do well to deflect knives.
Here we go where? Time-frame?
I'll send you Troy, so you can masturbate to Brad Pitt. He's really ripped in this film and for some reason, he does some dramatic pose in just about every scene he's in, almost laughable.
Originally posted by RobtardFF to the Necro fight scene towards the end of the vid I posted, it gets better.
Thinking about it, RJ has a point on the agility. In opening of Chronicles, Riddick is running and jumping across pillar-like shit and is as agile as a ****ing cat.
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Are these Achilles' best fight scenes?
Originally posted by Robtard
It's metal, will do well to deflect knives.Here we go where? Time-frame?
I'll send you Troy, so you can masturbate to Brad Pitt. He's really ripped in this film and for some reason, he does some dramatic pose in just about every scene he's in, almost laughable.
2:14 to the end.
From what I see, Riddick is more agile, stronger, has more damage soak, and is as fast as Achilles. He was able to track a teleporting Lord Marshall and block some of his attacks, even strike some of his own blows. One punch, Lord Marshall flew back 20 feet. Hell, he's faster.
Unless I'm watching the wrong videos on Troy. Achilles is badass, but Riddick is on another level from what I see.
And if Rob is correct in saying those are Achilles' best fight scenes, yeah, Riddick wins here.
After watching Riddick again last night I'm more inclined to say he'll have a chance. He is damn effective with those knives.
In terms of people here mentioned agility as Riddick being of a higher level...I agree in terms of simply running about etc but in terms of battle agility then Achilles against Hector shows Achilles avoiding a huge number of blows being swung at close range. I would wonder if Riddick would be able to land a perfectly placed shot. Achilles chest plate also take a hit from Hector with no damage and that's the only hit that Achilles takes prior to him being hit with the arrow.
Riddick takes A LOT of hits.
It's easily seen from the fight near the start of Chronicles that Riddick is extremely powerful as he's kicking and punching the people that have come to get him at the priest's house through doors and walls. Nothing that Achilles does compares to that but obviously he has fought people with great strength before as seen with Boagrius who was Thessaly's greatest warrior and who fell in one single sword blow.
In terms of speed I don't really think it's easy to say who is faster. Riddick's weapons are quicker to yield because they are obviously smaller than Achilles' sword/spear/shield that we see him using in various fights. Achilles does have enough awareness in battle, though, to know to put his shield on his back, without looking, in order to stop an arrow hitting him. He does this during the temple fight where he also kills a large number of temple guards by himself.
Now we come skill. I think Achilles has it here. When you watch his fights it gives the impression that he has total control over every movement of his body. Every turn, stance and weapon movement is precise...You see it particularly in when he strikes Hector with the back hand sword and forces him back...He then remains in the stance...The sword ringing with the force of the strike...Then once the shields have been discarded he manages to avoid every blow of Hector's sword and broken spear with ease and total control before landing the killing blow.
Riddick, on the other hand, while he has control in parts, sometimes seems like he's just striking out at random. I think in terms of skill...Achilles has it and that this would be the determining factor.
Originally posted by jaden101Riddick killed a man by driving a teacup into his chest. Give him a blade, and yeah, he'll sink it hilt deep through Achilles' armor.
After watching Riddick again last night I'm more inclined to say he'll have a chance. He is damn effective with those knives.In terms of people here mentioned agility as Riddick being of a higher level...I agree in terms of simply running about etc but in terms of battle agility then Achilles against Hector shows Achilles avoiding a huge number of blows being swung at close range. I would wonder if Riddick would be able to land a perfectly placed shot. Achilles chest plate also take a hit from Hector with no damage and that's the only hit that Achilles takes prior to him being hit with the arrow.
The agility, well, Riddick was shown jumping ten feet in the air when he fought the Necros. He flip kicked the knife out of one Necros hand and pile drived the guy.
Riddick takes A LOT of hits.Major damage soak. Advantage Riddick here, it's not even close.
It's easily seen from the fight near the start of Chronicles that Riddick is extremely powerful as he's kicking and punching the people that have come to get him at the priest's house through doors and walls. Nothing that Achilles does compares to that but obviously he has fought people with great strength before as seen with Boagrius who was Thessaly's greatest warrior and who fell in one single sword blow.Riddick actually sent the Lord Marshall flying 20 feet onto his back with one punch. He also swung Kyra about like a rag doll and used her as a weapon. Strength= Riddick.
In terms of speed I don't really think it's easy to say who is faster. Riddick's weapons are quicker to yield because they are obviously smaller than Achilles' sword/spear/shield that we see him using in various fights. Achilles does have enough awareness in battle, though, to know to put his shield on his back, without looking, in order to stop an arrow hitting him. He does this during the temple fight where he also kills a large number of temple guards by himself.Battle awareness? As Ii said before, Riddick flip kicked a Necros knife out of his hand, pile drived him, killed a few more, and knew just where to be in order to catch the knife behind his back. He also knew just when to pick up a Necro and use him as a shield when Faako fired on him.
Now we come skill. I think Achilles has it here. When you watch his fights it gives the impression that he has total control over every movement of his body. Every turn, stance and weapon movement is precise...You see it particularly in when he strikes Hector with the back hand sword and forces him back...He then remains in the stance...The sword ringing with the force of the strike...Then once the shields have been discarded he manages to avoid every blow of Hector's sword and broken spear with ease and total control before landing the killing blowAm I wrong, or did Achilles fight guys with swords, spears and shields only?
Riddick, on the other hand, while he has control in parts, sometimes seems like he's just striking out at random. I think in terms of skill...Achilles has it and that this would be the determining factor.You gotta be kidding me, man. Riddick was a damn surgeon with his blades.
Riddick is faster, stronger, has more damage soak and is at least as skilled with his tiger claw blades as Achilles is with his sword and shield. It'd be a good fight, but Riddick will get in close on Achilles and slice him to ribbons.
Riddick killed a man by driving a teacup into his chest. Give him a blade, and yeah, he'll sink it hilt deep through Achilles' armor.
Your 1st point has absolutely nothing to do with your 2nd point. Still...Would've liked to have seen what Riddick was going to do with the small tin opener thing.
The agility, well, Riddick was shown jumping ten feet in the air when he fought the Necros. He flip kicked the knife out of one Necros hand and pile drived the guy.
10ft through the air from an elavated position when he 1st attacks them is all I remember. Which is about the same as what Achilles done to kill Boagrius.
Major damage soak. Advantage Riddick here, it's not even close.
Point is Achilles took 1...Against someone who is regarded as one of the most skilled warriors in antiquity.
Riddick actually sent the Lord Marshall flying 20 feet onto his back with one punch. He also swung Kyra about like a rag doll and used her as a weapon. Strength= Riddick.
So is your average male figure skater as strong as Riddick then?
Battle awareness? As Ii said before, Riddick flip kicked a Necros knife out of his hand, pile drived him, killed a few more, and knew just where to be in order to catch the knife behind his back. He also knew just when to pick up a Necro and use him as a shield when Faako fired on him.
He knew where his own knife was going to land...Where as Achilles knew to put his shield on his back to protect himself from an arrow that someone else fired at a much faster speed that Riddick's knife was travelling when he caught it. He did this without looking.
Am I wrong, or did Achilles fight guys with swords, spears and shields only?
Yeah...You're wrong...See above.
Besides, as I said before...You tried to claim that Riddick killed guys with guns using only his blades when he didn't...He used guns as well as having several other gun wielding allies.
Riddick is faster, stronger, has more damage soak and is at least as skilled with his tiger claw blades as Achilles is with his sword and shield. It'd be a good fight, but Riddick will get in close on Achilles and slice him to ribbons.
Yet when Hector was in close on Achilles and weilding a sword and a spear he never landed a single blow on Achilles at the time when Achilles had no shield, no spear and 1 sword?
Originally posted by jaden101Point is that if Riddick can drive a teacup through a man's breastbone, he can certainly drive a knife through armor.
Your 1st point has absolutely nothing to do with your 2nd point. Still...Would've liked to have seen what Riddick was going to do with the small tin opener thing.
Wait, he did that, to Necro armor.
10ft through the air from an elavated position when he 1st attacks them is all I remember. Which is about the same as what Achilles done to kill Boagrius.OK it was a bit elevated. There's still the flip kick and his rope trick on Crematoria.
Point is Achilles took 1...Against someone who is regarded as one of the most skilled warriors in antiquity.Dude wasn't that skilled, he looked sloppy as hell.
So is your average male figure skater as strong as Riddick then?K, ignore the first feat.
He knew where his own knife was going to land...Where as Achilles knew to put his shield on his back to protect himself from an arrow that someone else fired at a much faster speed that Riddick's knife was travelling when he caught it. He did this without looking.Yes, he knew where and when the knife would land. Battle awareness. He did this while fighting the whole time.
So Achilles put his shield on his back, big deal. He knew they would be shooting at him. It's like someone donning a bulletproof vest.
Yeah...You're wrong...See above.No, I'm not, read my reply. Achilles putting his shield on his back means nothing.
Besides, as I said before...You tried to claim that Riddick killed guys with guns using only his blades when he didn't...He used guns as well as having several other gun wielding allies.Riddick killed at least 45 Necros in one sitting, about ten with a gun.
Yet when Hector was in close on Achilles and weilding a sword and a spear he never landed a single blow on Achilles at the time when Achilles had no shield, no spear and 1 sword?OK, and when Riddick killed Irgun, one of the Lord Marshall's "best." Riddick was in his face, unarmed, and dodged every CQC attack Irgun threw at him. He then took the knife from Irgun's back and stabbed him over and over through his Necro armor.