Runner ( no gem) vs Thor

Originally posted by leonidas
now don't go getting all full of yourself. 😂 the gas wasn't specifically created for thor--least that was never mentioned--but it did daze him for an instant.

Over exaggeration on my part. It wasn’t made specifically for Thor.

Originally posted by leonidas
true, in THAT specific instance. however, if you examine what happened, the gas doesn't really help your case all that much. i mean, seriously--all it took was a small pellet of gas to daze thor into being nearly ko'd by a speedblitz from MONGOOSE!

runner's power>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>gas pellet.

You acknowledged that there were outside factors in that specific instance and yet you immediately go and bring it up.

In their previous encounter, Mongoose was not able to affect Thor anywhere near as much as he was able to in that specific fight. There’s a reason for that.

GTFO with that fallacious argument. We both know that’s not how comics work. Thor can withstand a planet busting attack in one issue and get put down by a gas in another issue if it was called for.

Originally posted by leonidas
what that scene DOES show is that if runner DOES get the drop on thor, he could easily seperate him from his hammer, as mongoose did, and speedblitz him into oblivion. if his emotion power causes thor to hesitate for even a moment, a blitz from runner will end it, as a blitz from mongoose nearly did.

Like I said above, you’re using a scene where an outside factor was obviously a large part in as a basis for your argument. This isn’t even worth replying to really. It’s not applicable.

Whatever was in that gas, it clearly was potent against Thor as illustrated here as well:
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/SupportsSkyScraper1.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/SupportsSkyScraper2.jpg

That’s not even taking into account that Thor had recently begun suffering his weakness seizures and moments before the fight suffered through one.

Trying to use that scene as if it’s has any real relevancy and somehow brushing off the context is laughable.

Originally posted by leonidas
when they have met, mongoose whirls around thor as a blur without problems and can land 100 hits before thor lands one.

Is that another reference to Thor #408? It is not applicable. From now on, I should start working under the assumption that the Runner is a slower than light as proven by Makkari who leaves him in the dust once he hits light speed.

Originally posted by leonidas
thor needs to spin to create distance, but the only reason he CAN spin is because mongoose is not physically capable of doing enough damage to prevent him. runner wouldn't have that problem.

Prove that Runner would be able to do such physical damage to Thor, he wouldn’t be able to retaliate.

Originally posted by leonidas
mongoose got the drop on thor everytime.

That tends to happen when you surprise attack your foe.

Originally posted by leonidas
even spiderman made masterson look like a statue.

Reasons for this. The main one being that DeFalco is to Peter, as Pak is to Hulk. The same guy had Spider-Man take out FireLord using that speed blitz method. Either way, Masterson countered with some minor AOE lightning.

Originally posted by leonidas
quicksilver has also done it. cobra has done it. thor needs a wide ranging attack, and only uses it AFTER the attack is in progress to scatter his opponent. problem is, his oppenents in those cases are weak.

What? When? In all of their encounters that I can think of, Quicksilver has not come out looking good. This was the latest.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/DefeatsQuicksilver2.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/DefeatsQuicksilver3.jpg

ZOMG, Thor defeated current Quicksilver whose as fast as light which is faster than Runner as proven in the race with Makkari! This is about as logical as the arguments I’ve seen you making thus far.

Originally posted by leonidas
cobra has done it. thor needs a wide ranging attack, and only uses it AFTER the attack is in progress to scatter his opponent. problem is, his oppenents in those cases are weak.

Unless you have some rare fight I have never read, then you’re blowing shit extremely out of proportion. The slimy bastard dodges a hit here and there, maybe a throw. That’s about it. He has never been a direct threat to Thor. His bullshit and tricks kept Thor occupied for some moments.

Originally posted by leonidas
THAT is the difference.

can thor counter a speed-attack? sure, but always AFTER the attack. in that sense he IS vulnerable to a speedblitz. runner is so far beyond cobra, mongoose, quicksilver or spidey that it is laughable. we also have the infamous glads instance. if THEY can get the drop on him, runner can and will. but when HE hits, it's with the power of an elder of the universe and he could be gone again--and by gone, i mean LIGHTYEARS away from thor's counter.

Scroll up.

And in regards to Gladiator, once again there were circumstances. The two major ones being that Thor was saving the mortal child from debris, and he believed Gladiator to be a friend.

Originally posted by leonidas
not really, and track is not the best word for it. runner hit and was lightyears away.

K.

Originally posted by leonidas
😂

stop making up what isn't there, and declaring what happened cuz you say so. he said he'd 'send them back to where they came from'. thor's words, not mine. if he does THAT attack to runner, well, he won't go very far i'm afraid.

facepalm

Originally posted by leonidas
🤨

you said he COULD use it. i..... can't prove a negative. 😐

his AOE is nowhere near great enough to hit runner if he's hitting and running. if he's simply pounding on thor, i don't think he would be ABLE to summon it. pretty simple. and trans-dimensional teleporation of an opponent in direct battle isn't something thor does very often. in fact, your SINGLE example is likely all there is. you can argue he teleported the demons all you'd like, but i'm not buying it. HE said he's sending them BACK, not me. nowhere does it say he could have sent them ANYWHERE, nor is it implied he could do that to just ANYONE, let alone someone as powerful as runner.

I did, and I posted evidence that he can. Making up some bullshit that Thor suddenly is limited to banishing beings to their home dimension when we have a large history of Thor’s teleportation capabilities and evidence of Thor using his lightning as a method of teleportation not limited to "banishing":
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsMastersonBloodAxe4.jpg

Means that it’s up to you to provide evidence as to why the Runner won’t be affected by the attack. I presented evidence. You have not. Do it, and then we can have an argument.

😂 facepalm This is some Starscream level sh*t right here. I’m tempted to just stop here.

I believe it is. You’re wrong. Stop attaching arbitrary limits. Lulz. Let alone someone as powerful as the Runner? Do you have some form of evidence to assume it wouldn’t work on him, or it just because?

Haha, Thor doesn’t do that often? But there’s no problem using CBR’s version of Runner.

Originally posted by leonidas
runner knew he wouldn't be bothered by the blast. he didn't TRY and dodge.

Context? From you? Mind boggling based on what I’ve read above.

Originally posted by leonidas
react? thanos was being toyed with and STILL couldn't hit. he couldn't make a defensive play against cobra, mongoose, quicksilver, gladiator until AFTER the attacks began--why would he be able to do so against someone infinitely faster?

facepalm

Originally posted by leonidas
being dog-piled by some low-level demons=being punched 1000x a second by an elder of the universe? 😐

well, i'm waiting. 😄

indeed.

Prove Runner packed more punch than those Demons!

Are you accepting the challenge?

Runner with ease.

Originally posted by Uriel005
just wanted to say based on powerset thor is easily trans to skyfather. Problem is he never uses the majority of his abilities and gets stuck as a brick 99.9% of the time. His matter manips and magic when he cares to use it is no joke and I'd go as far as to say that when writers have him really tossing around the mojo he could contend with odin for a couple of rounds in magic barring odinforce.

If Thor is Trans Skyfather.. that means Thanos is abstract level using this criteria.

Based on? It's certainly not feats.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Based on? It's certainly not feats.

Based on him being Thor's superior according to their encounters and marvel's viewpoint on who's stronger?

Okay, so it's not feats. Good that we got that established.

According to their encounters? Not really. Thanos momentarily bringing Thor to a knee with 3 to multiple eye blasts in quick secession is not evidence of superiority. Not when Thor got up fine in seconds.

Of course you have this radical view that Thanos was somehow winning the fight in Blood and Thunder by counting the hits or some such but I remember that debate not ending well for you. Sad when you're own twisted system of interpretation bites you in the ass.

I'm honestly amazed this thread has gone on this lone... I didn't read it all, but is Rage the one keeping this going on this long? My God, it would be clear to even a 10 year old who saw the Surfer vs. Runner fight.. that he beats Thor with ease.

I did however love Rage going... Surfer getting his attacks dodged with ease by the runner... somehow gave Rage hope for Thor doing.. ummmm... something because of that fact...

Runner beating Surfer easily indicates he beats Thor easily? Are we forgetting that Thor has done the exact same?

facepalm This is why learning how to read is important.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Okay, so it's not feats. Good that we got that established.

According to their encounters? Not really. Thanos momentarily bringing Thor to a knee with 3 to multiple eye blasts in quick secession is not evidence of superiority. Not when Thor got up fine in seconds.

Of course you have this radical view that Thanos was somehow winning the fight in Blood and Thunder by counting the hits or some such but I remember that debate not ending well for you. Sad when you're own twisted system of interpretation bites you in the ass.

Let me ask you something Rage... if we were to ask pretty much any writer at Marvel or Mr. Brev at Marvel.. who do you think they would say is more powerful Thanos or Thor? Thus, if Thor according to that loon is Trans or Skyfather level.. then it's safe to say Thanos would be abstract. Clear enough?

Furthermore, yes that encounter proved exactly how easy it was for thanos to put Thor down. Thor was down on one knee and UNABLE to respond to anything Thanos was about to do to him. It only took a quick shot to achieve that. This notion that it took 3 or more shots is only your speculation. What we saw is Thanos put down Thor with ease. What we saw in B&T was an amped Thor with the PG only then able to even step to Thanos. Yet, even then he was dominated with ease. That debate went horribly for you buddy.. YOu tried to act like Thor landing more blows means he was winning on points (boxing scoring system) Problem was.. Thanos landed almost as many blows.. but the key is.. he had more knockdowns against Thor than vice versa.. which as we know count for way more points then a few punches being landed. That went horribly for you buddy. Anyways, point is, even an amped Thor could only then compete with the more powerful Thanos, and even then, lost.

You're not even trying.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Let me ask you something Rage... if we were to ask pretty much any writer at Marvel or Mr. Brev at Marvel.. who do you think they would say is more powerful Thanos or Thor? Thus, if Thor according to that loon is Trans or Skyfather level.. then it's safe to say Thanos would be abstract. Clear enough?

On average? Most likely Thanos. But so what? I think on average Thanos has the edge over Thor.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Furthermore, yes that encounter proved exactly how easy it was for thanos to put Thor down. Thor was down on one knee and UNABLE to respond to anything Thanos was about to do to him. It only took a quick shot to achieve that.

Do you really want to start down this road? We all know how these things between us always end. Stunning a character for a few seconds is not a sign of superiority. If it was, then Blood and Thunder Thor > Thanos, Masterson Thor > Infinity Gauntlet Thanos.

We saw Thanos blast Thor twice.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
This notion that it took 3 or more shots is only your speculation.

The notion is based on the fact that we saw Thanos blast Thor twice, and Thor was still on his feet. Thanos then outright said, on panel, no conflicting or vague statements anywhere, that it would take a few more shots to bring Thor down. I think it took at least 3 to do what he did.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
What we saw is Thanos put down Thor with ease.

You don't know the meaning of the word.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
What we saw in B&T was an amped Thor with the PG only then able to even step to Thanos. Yet, even then he was dominated with ease.

To be clear, before the Power Gem was handed to Thor, there was no amp present.

😂 facepalm

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
That debate went horribly for you buddy.

Haha, okay. I'm tempted to find the link now.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
YOu tried to act like Thor landing more blows means he was winning on points (boxing scoring system) Problem was.. Thanos landed almost as many blows.. but the key is.. he had more knockdowns against Thor than vice versa.. which as we know count for way more points then a few punches being landed. That went horribly for you buddy. Anyways, point is, even an amped Thor could only then compete with the more powerful Thanos, and even then, lost.

I didn't try anything. You introduced the ridiculous system of punches and knock downs = winner of the fight. You claimed that Thanos was winning because he had more punches and knock downs. I immediately turned that system upside down on your head, pointing out it's fallacious nature, and that it favored Thor.

Are you still counting the energy blast from behind as a knock down?

Needing an amp to kick Thanos ass is something I can live with.

facepalm Let's ignore the weapon he used.

thor wins this too much exotic powers while runner doest come any near the amount of options thor has

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Over exaggeration on my part. It wasn’t made specifically for Thor.

You acknowledged that there were outside factors in that specific instance and yet you immediately go and bring it up.

In their previous encounter, Mongoose was not able to affect Thor anywhere near as much as he was able to in that specific fight. There’s a reason for that.

GTFO with that fallacious argument. We both know that’s not how comics work. Thor can withstand a planet busting attack in one issue and get put down by a gas in another issue if it was called for.

Like I said above, you’re using a scene where an outside factor was obviously a large part in as a basis for your argument. This isn’t even worth replying to really. It’s not applicable.

Whatever was in that gas, it clearly was potent against Thor as illustrated here as well:
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/SupportsSkyScraper1.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/SupportsSkyScraper2.jpg

That’s not even taking into account that Thor had recently begun suffering his weakness seizures and moments before the fight suffered through one.

Trying to use that scene as if it’s has any real relevancy and somehow brushing off the context is laughable.

Is that another reference to Thor #408? It is [b]not applicable. From now on, I should start working under the assumption that the Runner is a slower than light as proven by Makkari who leaves him in the dust once he hits light speed.

Prove that Runner would be able to do such physical damage to Thor, he wouldn’t be able to retaliate.

That tends to happen when you surprise attack your foe.

Reasons for this. The main one being that DeFalco is to Peter, as Pak is to Hulk. The same guy had Spider-Man take out FireLord using that speed blitz method. Either way, Masterson countered with some minor AOE lightning.

What? When? In all of their encounters that I can think of, Quicksilver has not come out looking good. This was the latest.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/DefeatsQuicksilver2.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/DefeatsQuicksilver3.jpg

ZOMG, Thor defeated current Quicksilver whose as fast as light which is faster than Runner as proven in the race with Makkari! This is about as logical as the arguments I’ve seen you making thus far.

Unless you have some rare fight I have never read, then you’re blowing shit extremely out of proportion. The slimy bastard dodges a hit here and there, maybe a throw. That’s about it. He has never been a direct threat to Thor. His bullshit and tricks kept Thor occupied for some moments.

Scroll up.

And in regards to Gladiator, once again there were circumstances. The two major ones being that Thor was saving the mortal child from debris, and he believed Gladiator to be a friend.

K.

facepalm

I did, and I posted evidence that he can. Making up some bullshit that Thor suddenly is limited to banishing beings to their home dimension when we have a large history of Thor’s teleportation capabilities and evidence of Thor using his lightning as a method of teleportation not limited to "banishing":
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsMastersonBloodAxe4.jpg

Means that it’s up to you to provide evidence as to why the Runner won’t be affected by the attack. I presented evidence. You have not. Do it, and then we can have an argument.

😂 facepalm This is some Starscream level sh*t right here. I’m tempted to just stop here.

I believe it is. You’re wrong. Stop attaching arbitrary limits. Lulz. Let alone someone as powerful as the Runner? Do you have some form of evidence to assume it wouldn’t work on him, or it just because?

Haha, Thor doesn’t do that often? But there’s no problem using CBR’s version of Runner.

Context? From you? Mind boggling based on what I’ve read above.

facepalm

Prove Runner packed more punch than those Demons!

Are you accepting the challenge? [/B]

this IS pretty ridiculous. you want a challenge? you feel you need proof that an elder of the universe who easily crushed ss (far more easily and quickly than thor ever did even at his crazy level in bt) packs more punch than some lame demons? 😐

brilliant. i love thor and didn't WANT to think of you as a typical fanboy, but, when you start telling me that that around that issue he had some seizure at some point (but not THAT issue), and start with the insults and cries of PIS to save your argument like every person losing any argument ALWAYS ends up doing, wellllll...... 😬

you're whole thing is that you think thor can react to and hit runner whenever he wants with some AOE attack even though runner's BF--as SEEN vs thanos--is literally LIGHTYEARS wide. yet thor can affect this 'area' with some teleportation that sent some weak demons BACK to limbo. yep, that's some sound reasoning.

you use scans of QS effortlessly DODGING thor's lightning--and who didn't even TRY and attack thor and is in an enclosed place--as proof again? you claim that the gas eliminates the scans, however failed to comprehend that i used it to show how easily a distraction let mongoose almost kill thor and find it funny to think an elder of the universe could distract him and kill him. he could cause massive blasts. once thor blocks he follows it up like glads. his emotion control could easily cause thor to hesitate a moment. hell, like glads, he could just THROW sh!t at thor THEN knock the hammer away. each time things are SHOWN--when context is EXPLAINED--you make excuses for him.

then you say how could we know runner has power to put him down? someone who effortlessly takes out ss imo has MORE then enough power to kill thor--especially if like glads or mongoose he distracts thor and removes his hammer.

you want a challenge--show thor actually AVOIDING a blitz. i mean not breaking up a blitz, or temporarily withstanding one. i mean show him AVOIDING one, countering one BEFORE the speedster gets the drop on him. you seem so sure thor can tackle even weak speedsters. show him doing something other than breaking up a WEAK foe who ALREADY blitzed him. i've ALREADY proven he can't react until AFTER the blitz has happened--logan, spidey, mongoose, glads, f'n COBRA!

so, prove it. up for the challenge? 🙄

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You're not even trying.

On average? Most likely Thanos. But so what? I think on average Thanos has the edge over Thor.

Do you really want to start down this road? We all know how these things between us always end. Stunning a character for a few seconds is not a sign of superiority. If it was, then Blood and Thunder Thor > Thanos, Masterson Thor > Infinity Gauntlet Thanos.

We saw Thanos blast Thor twice.

The notion is based on the fact that we saw Thanos blast Thor twice, and Thor was still on his feet. Thanos then outright said, on panel, no conflicting or vague statements anywhere, that it would take a few more shots to bring Thor down. I think it took at least 3 to do what he did.

You don't know the meaning of the word.

To be clear, before the Power Gem was handed to Thor, there was no amp present.

😂 facepalm

Haha, okay. I'm tempted to find the link now.

I didn't try anything. You introduced the ridiculous system of punches and knock downs = winner of the fight. You claimed that Thanos was winning because he had more punches and knock downs. I immediately turned that system upside down on your head, pointing out it's fallacious nature, and that it favored Thor.

Are you still counting the energy blast from behind as a knock down?

Needing an amp to kick Thanos ass is something I can live with.

facepalm Let's ignore the weapon he used.

You just proved my point and it actually didn't take as long as usual Ragey

I said if people think Thor is Trans or Skyfather level.. then that would make Thanos Elder God or Abstract. You argued with me, but then conceded because you said you also feel like Thanos is above Thor on average. Correct and thus my stance was spot on if that is how we are rating Thor

Please tell me where in B&T was Thanos on one knee and unable to respond and Thor saying... a few more shots and he's dead. Thor never stunned Thanos at all.. knocking someone back into glass /= Stunned. You forget in the IG scene .... Thor tried to capitalize on said advantage Thanos LET him have but couldn't. Thanos giving the heroes a chance isn't the close to a direct encounter and one person pwns another with ease. Thor also had help mind you.. and the WEAKEST version of Thanos dealt with both like they were jokes.

No what we say was two shots and Thor was on his knees.. we DIDN'T see any more shots at all. We saw the weakest version of Thanos two shot Thor with ease. That is how easy it was for him to take care of a Thor who had help.

False there was amp and it was outright stated by Warlock and BRB.. both very good authorities on Thor. Whatever state he was in... calling not holding back.. call it quasi WM... he was more powerful then either had seen before. Period. Then he got the PG and still got beat by Thanos

Of course that counts... Thanos using things to his advantage to get the drop on Thor, of course it counts. He got the drop on thor and used his distractions to his benefit. Just like Thor knocked down Thanos with the IG.. partly because Thanos let him AND because Thanos was busy fighting a bunch of heroes.. if that counts for what it does (which you use) then of course that knockdown counts for Thanos. Point is, Thanos won that fight.. proven by your scoring system.. beat a Thor with an amp and a PG.. That is how beneath Thanos, Thor is, he has those amps and still only brings him closer to the Titan.. not surpass him..

Just to add. Didn't Thanos use the Force Block on Odin w/o the weapon?

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Just to add. Didn't Thanos use the Force Block on Odin w/o the weapon?

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Just to add. Didn't Thanos use the Force Block on Odin w/o the weapon?

😂 you wanna show the scan of Thanos using the weapon, the panel when he put Odin in force block will be fine or even the panels before or after when he must surely be holding the gun.

Originally posted by Nihilist
😂 you wanna show the scan of Thanos using the weapon, the panel when he put Odin in force block will be fine or even the panels before or after when he must surely be holding the gun.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
You want to show some proof he didn't have the gun?

Is blackbolt going in silly kid mode again? He was doing so well for a bit