Originally posted by leonidas
this IS pretty ridiculous. you want a challenge? you feel you need proof that an elder of the universe who easily crushed ss (far more easily and quickly than thor ever did even at his crazy level in bt) packs more punch than some lame demons? 😐
What’s with the strawman? When did I ever claim this?
Haha wtf? Runner did not crush Surfer far more easily than Thor did. That’s silly.
Originally posted by leonidas
brilliant. i love thor and didn't WANT to think of you as a typical fanboy, but, when you start telling me that that around that issue he had some seizure at some point (but not THAT issue), and start with the insults and cries of PIS to save your argument like every person losing any argument ALWAYS ends up doing, wellllll...... 😬
facepalm I don’t even know why I bother.
In Thor #408 he suffered a seizure. That was the same issue as the one they fought in. It occurred right before the battle with Mongoose. Can you please take the time to do some research before attempting to mock me? It’s just embarrassing.
When did I ever cry PIS? You don’t how to read do you?
crylaugh at the notion of me losing this debate.
Originally posted by leonidas
you're whole thing is that you think thor can react to and hit runner whenever he wants with some AOE attack even though runner's BF--as SEEN vs thanos--is literally LIGHTYEARS wide. yet thor can affect this 'area' with some teleportation that sent some weak demons BACK to limbo. yep, that's some sound reasoning.
facepalmx2 Enough with the strawman.
Originally posted by leonidas
you use scans of QS effortlessly DODGING thor's lightning--and who didn't even TRY and attack thor and is in an enclosed place--as proof again?
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Yea, clearly don’t know how to read. Stop debating whatever conjured up arguments you’ve come up with in your head, and start debating the arguments I’ve made.
I did not post that scene as supporting evidence of Thor against Runner (Although it is to minor some extent as current Quicksilver=light speed which is > Runner based on the race with Makkari. Don't you love ABC?) but to show you that these made up claims you’ve made of Thor looking like a statue or some such bullsh*t against Quicksilver was completely a figment of your imagination.
Originally posted by leonidas
you claim that the gas eliminates the scans, however failed to comprehend that i used it to show how easily a distraction let mongoose almost kill thor and find it funny to think an elder of the universe could distract him and kill him. he could cause massive blasts. once thor blocks he follows it up like glads. his emotion control could easily cause thor to hesitate a moment. hell, like glads, he could just THROW sh!t at thor THEN knock the hammer away. each time things are SHOWN--when context is EXPLAINED--you make excuses for him.
facepalmx4 These arguments are based on such…..skewered interpretations and twisting of fights that I just want to stop. It’s like your trying to insult my intelligence.
One more time: Thor #408 is not applicable as evidence. Mongoose did not distract Thor. He jumped him with an asteroid blaster, and used gas to disorient and daze Thor.
I already explained the Gladiator scene to you. Thor was protecting the mortal child, and believed Gladiator to be –perhaps a possessed- ally.
crylaugh at this CBR version of Runner your using and apparently Thor is treated like some mindless buffoon that you can control. You’re laying out strategies for the Runner like your pulling the strings but “dumbing” down Thor.
The hypocritical and fallacious nature of your “argument” is just mind staggering.
And the Mongoose did not almost kill Thor. Can you please stop and think before you post? I’m trying really hard to not just continuously insult your obviously lacking intelligence and/or interpretation skills.
Originally posted by leonidas
then you say how could we know runner has power to put him down? someone who effortlessly takes out ss imo has MORE then enough power to kill thor--especially if like glads or mongoose he distracts thor and removes his hammer.
Disagreed with that reasoning. I could also point out that you’re dangerously close to –or are- using ABC logic which can lead me to –if I were so incline to- using Thor vs. Hermes in conjunction with Hermes vs. Makkari and Makkari vs. Runner.
Hint: It doesn’t turn out well for the Runner.
Originally posted by leonidas
you want a challenge--show thor actually AVOIDING a blitz. i mean not breaking up a blitz, or temporarily withstanding one. i mean show him AVOIDING one, countering one BEFORE the speedster gets the drop on him. you seem so sure thor can tackle even weak speedsters. show him doing something other than breaking up a WEAK foe who ALREADY blitzed him.so, prove it. up for the challenge? 🙄
Zuras, the fastest of the New immortals attacks Thor only for Thor to counter him.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ReactsZuras1.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ReactsZuras2.jpg
Zuras illustrating his speed:
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ReactsZuras3.jpg
Shut up now. Please.
Originally posted by leonidas
i've ALREADY proven he can't react until AFTER the blitz has happened--logan, spidey, mongoose, glads, f'n COBRA!
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Be honest, are you trolling me? Because it really feels like you are. It seems whatever I say, goes through one ear, and comes out through the other.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What’s with the strawman? When did I ever claim this?
Prove Runner packed more punch than those Demons!
so you're saying you asked me to prove it but already knew the point was preposterous? well, that seems pretty logical.....
Haha wtf? Runner did not crush Surfer far more easily than Thor did. That’s silly.
he willing took a hit, then effortlessly matched him and ko'd him. but you'll not be convinced so, meh.
facepalm I don’t even know why I bother.In Thor #408 he suffered a seizure. That was the same issue as the one they fought in. It occurred right before the battle with Mongoose. Can you please take the time to do some research before attempting to mock me? It’s just embarrassing.
no need to. you trying to claim thor was distracted not just because of the gas but because he had some seizure--not during the battle--says more than i ever could.
When did I ever cry PIS? You don’t how to read do you?
Reasons for this. The main one being that DeFalco is to Peter, as Pak is to Hulk. The same guy had Spider-Man take out FireLord using that speed blitz method.
but..... that's not PIS?
😐
unfortunately, blaming the writer=PIS
at the notion of me losing this debate.
heh. always good to be able to laugh when you're losing. keep a stiff upper lip and all that. 👆
Yea, clearly don’t know how to read. Stop debating whatever conjured up arguments you’ve come up with in your head, and start debating the arguments I’ve made.
so, um, what point DID you make? that QS was easily able to dodge a lightning bolt, the same style of attack you think will hit runner? great point! 😄
or was it that thor could smash the ground of an enclosed space and knock a QS who didn't even try and attack or blitz, to the ground? so, what WAS the point again?
I did not post that scene as supporting evidence of Thor against Runner (Although it is to minor some extent as current Quicksilver=light speed which is > Runner based on the race with Makkari. Don't you love ABC?) but to show you that these made up claims you’ve made of Thor looking like a statue or some such bullsh*t against Quicksilver was completely a figment of your imagination.
but.... QS didn't TRY and attack. 😕 so, what good is your point exactly?
These arguments are based on such…..skewered interpretations and twisting of fights that I just want to stop. It’s like your trying to insult my intelligence.
now i KNOW you're clowning cuz no one could miss the point on purpose as badly as you continuously do.
he shot gas.
while thor was ready.
how did he jump him again? 😕
and the gas blinded him and as soon as that happened thor was pummeled and seperated from his hammer. yep, pretty skewed. you keep trying to make up all these excuses, unfortunately the fact remains--thor is distracted and seperated from his hammer and nearly pounded into unconsciousness by the silly mongoose who lands a 100 blows to thor's one.
I already explained the Gladiator scene to you. Thor was protecting the mortal child, and believed Gladiator to be –perhaps a possessed- ally.
maybe, but he still couldn't react in time to stop him.
at this CBR version of Runner your using and apparently Thor is treated like some mindless buffoon that you can control. You’re laying out strategies for the Runner like your pulling the strings but “dumbing” down Thor.
dumbing down? you STILL haven't shown thor reacting to prevent a speed blitz yet you continue to claim he can do so and get in an attack before runner is all over him. still waiting on that proof.....
Disagreed with that reasoning. I could also point out that you’re dangerously close to –or are- using ABC logic which can lead me to –if I were so incline to- using Thor vs. Hermes in conjunction with Hermes vs. Makkari and Makkari vs. Runner.
😂
in this case common opponent is about all we have. he was also going to kill the collector. somone so clearly above ss and at the level of runner doesn't require ABC--just common sense.
Zuras, the fastest of the New immortals attacks Thor only for Thor to counter him.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ReactsZuras1.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ReactsZuras2.jpg
really looks like he was using his speed there.....
Zuras illustrating his speed:
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ReactsZuras3.jpgShut up now. Please.
😂
you're cute when you're wrong. still waiting on some actual proof of thor blocking a speed blitz. if you call that previous scan a speed blitz, it DOES explain a lot though and why you think thor could so easily deal with runner. 👆
Be honest, are you trolling me? Because it really feels like you are. It seems whatever I say, goes through one ear, and comes out through the other.
i know the feeling.
so, to recap--no evidence thor can prevent runner getting the drop on him or that he can in anyway prevent a speedblitz. ample proof he can be distracted and seperated from his hammer. hell, it even happened in the scan you posted again. you've proved his lightning--and hence his teleporting lightning--would be useless against runner as QS easily dodged it.
in fact, about all you've done is prove you can make excuses for thor like no one else on the forum, twist facts, extrapolate to illogical degrees, call strawman when you can't logically refute something, call PIS at other times, insult and pretty much ruin thor with your attempts at defending him to illogical lengths.
all in all, well done. 😄
bah, point for point is useless and the big picture gets lost. let's simplify:
what's more likely--thor getting blitzed, or thor reacting to a blitz?
we know there is no evidence to suggest thor could stop runner BEFORE runner gets in a hit. we also saw runner easily dodging and playing with ss, and blitzing thanos--something even ss can't do. we've seen thor blitzed by slower opponents, but none of them were as powerful as runner. we've seen thor seperated from his hammer by distractions, and we know runner has a psionic power ability to make someone not WANT to fight him initially. those things are all on panel and in NO way are they exaggerations of runner's abilities.
to combat this, we have thor reacting DURING a blitz--which he might be able to do somehow, but i see no way he could damage someone as tough as runner by just spinning his hammer--at least not badly enough to help him in this fight. this would only delay the inevitable imo. he could try some AOE attack, but we've seen QS easily dodge a lightning strike that looks a lot like the AOE attack--an attack we've only seen used in such a way ONE time, and never against someone as powerful as runner. runner otoh could just continually blitz over and over again (hitting and moving LIGHTYEARS away before hitting again) until he ko's thor, or just blitz once and pound him into unconsciousness or knock his hammer away.
to me, the more likely scenario is about as clear as it gets. the thread has pretty much 'run' its course and since pretty much everyone agrees on the outcome, debating it seems silly. my thanks to rage for an entertaining discussion. 😄
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You just proved my point and it actually didn't take as long as usual RageyI said if people think Thor is Trans or Skyfather level.. then that would make Thanos Elder God or Abstract. You argued with me, but then conceded because you said you also feel like Thanos is above Thor on average. Correct and thus my stance was spot on if that is how we are rating Thor
Please tell me where in B&T was Thanos on one knee and unable to respond and Thor saying... a few more shots and he's dead. Thor never stunned Thanos at all.. knocking someone back into glass /= Stunned. You forget in the IG scene .... Thor tried to capitalize on said advantage Thanos LET him have but couldn't. Thanos giving the heroes a chance isn't the close to a direct encounter and one person pwns another with ease. Thor also had help mind you.. and the WEAKEST version of Thanos dealt with both like they were jokes.
No what we say was two shots and Thor was on his knees.. we DIDN'T see any more shots at all. We saw the weakest version of Thanos two shot Thor with ease. That is how easy it was for him to take care of a Thor who had help.
False there was amp and it was outright stated by Warlock and BRB.. both very good authorities on Thor. Whatever state he was in... calling not holding back.. call it quasi WM... he was more powerful then either had seen before. Period. Then he got the PG and still got beat by Thanos
Of course that counts... Thanos using things to his advantage to get the drop on Thor, of course it counts. He got the drop on thor and used his distractions to his benefit. Just like Thor knocked down Thanos with the IG.. partly because Thanos let him AND because Thanos was busy fighting a bunch of heroes.. if that counts for what it does (which you use) then of course that knockdown counts for Thanos. Point is, Thanos won that fight.. proven by your scoring system.. beat a Thor with an amp and a PG.. That is how beneath Thanos, Thor is, he has those amps and still only brings him closer to the Titan.. not surpass him..
^I'll respond to you when I deem you worthy of my time.
Originally posted by leonidas
so you're saying you asked me to prove it but already knew the point was preposterous? well, that seems pretty logical.....
That’s my bad. Should have added the 😛 after. Thought the exclamation was sufficient. I’ll be certain to be more thorough in the future with you.
Originally posted by leonidas
he willing took a hit, then effortlessly matched him and ko'd him. but you'll not be convinced so, meh.
The point still stands. Even with the help of Adam warlock, Thor effortlessly defeated Surfer. Shrugged off all his attacks, grabbed him, and knocked him out in one shot.
Originally posted by leonidas
no need to. you trying to claim thor was distracted not just because of the gas but because he had some seizure--not during the battle--says more than i ever could.
😬 Did I say Thor was distracted by the seizure? No. I did however point out that the seizures were present at the time. The same seizures which had lingering effects and have been described as leaving him less powerful than before, and even significantly less powerful than before.
Originally posted by leonidas
The fact that you don’t know this says it all.but..... that's not PIS?
unfortunately, blaming the writer=PIS
😬 I’m not blaming the writer. I’m simply pointing out that DeFalco had a very high end view of Spider-Man.
And so you don’t b*tch about my mentioning of DeFalco, Thor > Masterson Thor especially when it comes to experience, so once again, not really applicable.
Originally posted by leonidas
heh. always good to be able to laugh when you're losing. keep a stiff upper lip and all that. 👆
😂
Originally posted by leonidas
so, um, what point DID you make? that QS was easily able to dodge a lightning bolt, the same style of attack you think will hit runner? great point! 😄or was it that thor could smash the ground of an enclosed space and knock a QS who didn't even try and attack or blitz, to the ground? so, what WAS the point again?
but.... QS didn't TRY and attack. 😕 so, what good is your point exactly?
Stop being purposefully dense and/or stupid. I’m not going to waste my time on you if you’re operating at the IQ level of a kindergartner.
I’ve made it abundantly clear what Thor’s go to tactic will be if we use your imaginary version of the Runner.
I told you exactly what the point of those scans were in the part of my post that you quoted. I could have not made it any clearer.
Originally posted by leonidas
now i KNOW you're clowning cuz no one could miss the point on purpose as badly as you continuously do.he shot gas.
while thor was ready.
how did he jump him again? 😕
and the gas blinded him and as soon as that happened thor was pummeled and seperated from his hammer. yep, pretty skewed. you keep trying to make up all these excuses, unfortunately the fact remains--thor is distracted and seperated from his hammer and nearly pounded into unconsciousness by the silly mongoose who lands a 100 blows to thor's one.
Lulz.
I’m pretty certain that the entire fight starts out with Mongoose using an asteroid blaster to blast Thor out of the air. He then rams it at Thor who destroys the craft. Then literally in the next panel as I recall the gas pellets are released from the flying wreckage.
Blinded him? It caused him to be dazed and disoriented. I agree, you do try and skewer events pretty severely. I’m not making up anything.
1) You argued that there were no outside circumstances. I pointed out the gas. You turned out to be wrong.
2) You argued that there were no circumstances. I pointed out that this was the time period where seizures took place. I am right once again.
These “excuses” are all valid and logically supported arguments. Trying to use such a circumstance ridden scene as some sort of evidence is really amusing and fallacious.
Originally posted by leonidas
maybe, but he still couldn't react in time to stop him.
Maybe nothing. That’s what happened.
Originally posted by leonidas
dumbing down? you STILL haven't shown thor reacting to prevent a speed blitz yet you continue to claim he can do so and get in an attack before runner is all over him. still waiting on that proof.....
Yes, “dumbing” Thor down. This is your made up version of the Runner going all CBR on an apparent defenseless and idiotic Thor.
Originally posted by leonidas
😂in this case common opponent is about all we have. he was also going to kill the collector. somone so clearly above ss and at the level of runner doesn't require ABC--just common sense.
So no, you have no real evidence and are also relying on ABC logic. It is sometimes all we have, but if you’re going to apply it, you’re going to apply across the entire board.
Bruising the Collector is still hardly evidence of the Runner having more than enough power to kill Thor.
What makes you think the Collector is more durable than Norrin? All evidence that I’ve seen suggests otherwise. His best feat is temporarily going toe to toe with Thor in his second and I’m guessing physically superior form.
Originally posted by leonidas
really looks like he was using his speed there.....
Typical. Dude even described himself as the fastest, toughest and most agile of the New Immortals while attempting to attack Thor.
Originally posted by leonidas
you're cute when you're wrong. still waiting on some actual proof of thor blocking a speed blitz. if you call that previous scan a speed blitz, it DOES explain a lot though and why you think thor could so easily deal with runner.
You asked for proof of Thor stopping a blitz before it happens and not during for some reason. I just posted exactly what you asked for. A super-humanly fast being rushes at Thor from above only for Thor to grab and counter him.
Originally posted by leonidas
i know the feeling.so, to recap--no evidence thor can prevent runner getting the drop on him or that he can in anyway prevent a speedblitz. ample proof he can be distracted and seperated from his hammer. hell, it even happened in the scan you posted again. you've proved his lightning--and hence his teleporting lightning--would be useless against runner as QS easily dodged it.
Clearly whatever I say doesn’t stick. I’ve posted evidence, and you either ignore it or dismiss it. I’ve explained to you multiple times why the examples you use aren’t applicable to the Runner due to the various circumstances and you ignore me. You don’t even seem to know what my go to strategy for Thor has been anymore.
Originally posted by leonidas
in fact, about all you've done is prove you can make excuses for thor like no one else on the forum, twist facts, extrapolate to illogical degrees, call strawman when you can't logically refute something, call PIS at other times, insult and pretty much ruin thor with your attempts at defending him to illogical lengths.
When you want to seriously debate instead of ignoring all the points I have presented and all the flaws I’ve pointed out in your arguments, then you know where to find me.
Pointing out the obvious extenuating circumstances isn’t me making excuses. It’s me giving the situations context. I don’t call out strawman when I can’t logically refute something. I call out strawman when someone is strawmanning.
Originally posted by leonidas
all in all, well done. 😄
I agree, I have fared better than you so far.
Originally posted by leonidas
bah, point for point is useless and the big picture gets lost. let's simplify:what's more likely--thor getting blitzed, or thor reacting to a blitz?
The likeliest scenario is the one we have seen most in comics. It is however going to have to be based on their past battles, and not hypothetical versions of characters. I.e. all of this speed blitz to death crap gets thrown out the window.
And to answer your question: In general, if an opponent has a high enough level of speed, they’ll begin their blitz, only for Thor to end it half way.
Originally posted by leonidas
we know there is no evidence to suggest thor could stop runner BEFORE runner gets in a hit. we also saw runner easily dodging and playing with ss, and blitzing thanos--something even ss can't do. we've seen thor blitzed by slower opponents, but none of them were as powerful as runner. we've seen thor seperated from his hammer by distractions, and we know runner has a psionic power ability to make someone not WANT to fight him initially. those things are all on panel and in NO way are they exaggerations of runner's abilities.
Oh there is evidence; you just won’t like me using it. Said logic is fine when you apply it though, I’m certain. The scene where you mention Surfer getting off two cosmic blasts is all the time Thor needs really.
He never actually blitzed Thanos IIRC. He broke his chair and struck Thanos once. It also only continued as long as it did because Thanos wanted it too.
Extenuating circumstances that exist in specific situations do not apply in this fight.
Runner’s ability only worked until Surfer got angry, and Thor is much more battle driven, angrier etc. than Surfer.
Originally posted by leonidas
to combat this, we have thor reacting DURING a blitz--which he might be able to do somehow, but i see no way he could damage someone as tough as runner by just spinning his hammer--at least not badly enough to help him in this fight. this would only delay the inevitable imo. he could try some AOE attack, but we've seen QS easily dodge a lightning strike that looks a lot like the AOE attack--an attack we've only seen used in such a way ONE time, and never against someone as powerful as runner. runner otoh could just continually blitz over and over again (hitting and moving LIGHTYEARS away before hitting again) until he ko's thor, or just blitz once and pound him into unconsciousness or knock his hammer away.
And before one. We’re assuming Thor can’t damage Runner, but we are assuming that the Runner has more than enough strength to blitz Thor to death because he.....bruised nerdy mode Collector, right? These arguments are so full of double standards I don’t even want to continue.
No it doesn’t, not at all.
Lawlz at highlighting it happening once but there you go using your hypothetical version of the Runner whose never, not even once, fought like you have had him in this thread. While again “dumbing” down Thor.
If you have some evidence as to Runner being able to resist teleportation, then by all means, post it. This no limit fallacy has seeped into your arguments more and more, the further we go along.
Originally posted by leonidas
to me, the more likely scenario is about as clear as it gets. the thread has pretty much 'run' its course and since pretty much everyone agrees on the outcome, debating it seems silly. my thanks to rage for an entertaining discussion.
I agree.
Thor wins.
He was intangible for a moment suddenly the Earth became tangible while inside his an entire half of his body, Thor screams out in agony as every molecule of earth becomes fused with every vein and every cell of his body but he still has fight left in him to get himself out of the torturous situation
Jonn Fernus once did the very same power test to Superman phasing his arms and legs into a table and Superman looked to be in far worse shape. Superman's eyes roll, he looks dead in the water until the JLA rescue him
