Vampires and Lycans versus Mutants and co. (Army thread)...

Two teams.

TEAM VAMPIRE:

Lestat (Interview with the Vampire, Queen of the Damned)
Marius (Queen of the Damned)
Louis (Interview with the Vampire)
Selene (Underworld. Before she drank the blood of Corvinus)
Viktor (Underworld)
Michael Corvinus (Underworld)
Lucian (Underworld: Rise of the Lycans)
Sonja (Underworld: Rise of the Lycans)
Raze (Underworld)
Abby (Let Me In)
Van Helsing (in Lycan form, he can change at will here)
Dracula's 3 brides (Van Helsing)
Nina Harker (LXG)
The Twilight Wolf pack (Jacob, Paul, Embry, Jared, Sam and Leah)
Maximillian (A Vampire in Brooklyn)
Blade
Nomak
Blacula (For the lulz)

TEAM MUTANT (All X Men movie feats apply for each combatant):

Wolverine
Storm
Nightcrawler
Colossus
Iceman
Pyro
Victor Creed
Mystique
Cyclops
John Wraith
Gambit
Agent Zero
Toad
Callisto
ArcLight
Kitty
Psylocke
Juggernaut
Beast

Also on Team Mutant are the following:

Seth and Richie Gecko
Hannibal King
Abigail Whistler
Buffy the Vampire slayer
Ozymandias

The two teams face off in an all out battle to the death. Battle takes place in Eastern Europe, at night. There is a huge castle in the middle of the battlefield. Surrounding the castle is a dense forest, kinda like the Forbidden forest from the Harry Potter films. Both teams are 100% aware of the others powers and how to kill them. Both teams have one day prep. All combatants have access to any and all weaponry they had in their films. Morals are off, bloodlust rules!!!

I did not include Xavier because that would be Vampire rape. I did not include Magneto because he is useless here. Ozymandias, he has his armor, that's all.

The phaggy Anne Rice vampires can move faster than the human eye can track. So, yeah.

Only thing the mutants really have is two (three?) guys that can't do much here, but are basically unkillable

There's only 3 of the Rice Vamps, dude. AND only Lestat moved that fast.

There's Lestat, then Max, who can move just as fast. Callisto moved that fast and Storm wtf pwned her ass.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
There's only 3 of the Rice Vamps, dude. AND only Lestat moved that fast.

There's Lestat, then Max, who can move just as fast. Callisto moved that fast and Storm wtf pwned her ass.

No,dude. When Louis is doing the interview he explains(and shows) it to Slater, iirc. "We move faster than the eye can perceive.", or something to that nature.

Callisto did not move faster than the eye can follow, as we could see her moving, albeit at great speeds, but it doesn't compare to the Anne Rice vampires capabilities.

Originally posted by Robtard
No,dude. When Louis is doing the interview he explains(and shows) it to Slater, iirc. "We move faster than the eye can perceive.", or something to that nature.

Callisto did not move faster than the eye can follow, as we could see her moving, albeit at great speeds, but it doesn't compare to the Anne Rice vampires capabilities.

And no, Callisto is just as fast. The fastest is Max, he moved at porting speeds. Max is the one the mutants better watch out for.

Pretty sure Storm's ability to fly and summon tornadoes will fling them about quite easily.

You're missing alot here, Rob. The mutants also have teleporters. Nightcrawler and Wraith. We can give them Rice Bowl and Griffin too.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
The speed at which Louis moved was not as fast as Lestat. It was faster than a human eye can follow, yes, but these are mutants.

And no, Callisto is just as fast. The fastest is Max, he moved at porting speeds. Max is the one the mutants better watch out for.

Pretty sure Storm's ability to fly and summon tornadoes will fling them about quite easily.

You're missing alot here, Rob. The mutants also have teleporters. Nightcrawler and Wraith. We can give them Rice Bowl and Griffin too.

Louis moved at "faster than the eye can perceive", he said it. This isn't up for debate; it's in the film; it's what the Anne Rice vampires are bringing here.

Yet the mutants perception is human unless otherwise specifically stated that they have some mutant power to detect at faster than human speeds. I don't recall any, do you?

We can literally see Callisto moving when she's using her super-speed; while she's blurry, she's not nearly as fast as someone who appears to disappear when moving. Blurry Vs Can't Be Seen; it's obvious who is a lot faster.

Who is Max?

Storm will not know where to direct them as she won't be able to see the Anne Rice vamps, they'll also likely just rip out her throat before she has a clue.

I'm missing a lot? Go re-watch IWTV. Nightcrawler and maybe Wratih will only be able to keep thenselves alive if they're constatnly teleporting, they still can't see the Anne Rice vampires when they're on the go. Then there's all the other vampires and werewolves. Mutants will be busy fighting them while the Anne Rice vampires zip around and rip throats. Those three make it a stomp for the supernatural team.

Originally posted by Robtard
Louis moved at "faster than the eye can perceive", he said it. This isn't up for debate; it's in the film.

Yet their perception is human unless otherwise specifically stated tha they have some mutant power to detect at faster than human speeds.

We can literally see Callisto moving when she's using her super-speed; while she's blurry, she's not nearly as fast as someone who appears to disappear when moving.

Who is Max?

Storm will not know where to direct them as she won't be able to see the Anne Rice vamps, they'll also likely just rip out her throat before she has a clue.

I'm missing a lot? Go re-watch IWTV. Nightcrawler will only be able to keep himself alive if he's constatnly teleporting, he still can't see the Rice vampires when they're on the go. Then there's all the other vampires and werewolves. Mutant will be busy fighting them while the Anne Rice vampires zip around and rip throats.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I never denied this, just saying Lestat moved faster.

Sure. But Wolvie was blocking those wood knives dude was throwing at him.

She was moving at Lestat speed. We can see the blur when he moves. Couldn't see Pitt's blur, the camera angle was off.

A Vampire in Brooklyn.

Read the mutant list.

I see. Rip out Colossus' throat? And Wolvie's? You aren't counting in all the mutants I listed. Arc Light'll wreak havoc.

OK, then it's a bigger plus for team 1.

Those bone-knives weren't moving at faster than the eye can perceive. Wolverine could also see the guy throwing them/knew when they were coming.

The hell? Faster than the eye perceives = can't be seen; this is in the film, Louis demonstrated it too to Slater. That is not equal to or slower than seeing someone move and they look blurry.

Barely recall that shit film, but if Max is somehow faster than the Anne Rice vamps, it's an even bigger stomp for team 1.

I did, they're outclassed by the guys who can move around so fast they appear invisible. Also, how do they kill many of the vampires and werewolves without sunlight or silver?

I covered those in the beginning. It's all team 2 really has, two(maybe3) guys that can't be killed, yet will be useless against much of team 1. Though Wolverine can be KO'd and guys like Nomak can man-handled Colossus.

Originally posted by Robtard
Yet the mutants perception is human unless otherwise specifically stated that they have some mutant power to detect at faster than human speeds. I don't recall any, do you?

That would be any mutant with ultra-animal powers like Wolverine, Sabertooth, Hank, Toad, etc. Agent Zero and Ozy are easily candidates for "faster than human perception." Beast, Wolverine, and Sabertooth could probably smell where the vamps moved to, much less track them where they went.

Originally posted by dadudemon
That would be any mutant with ultra-animal powers like Wolverine, Sabertooth, Hank, Toad, etc. Agent Zero and Ozy are easily candidates for "faster than human perception." Beast, Wolverine, and Sabertooth could probably smell where the vamps moved to, much less track them where they went.

Originally posted by dadudemon
That would be any mutant with ultra-animal powers like Wolverine, Sabertooth, Hank, Toad, etc. Agent Zero and Ozy are easily candidates for "faster than human perception." Beast, Wolverine, and Sabertooth could probably smell where the vamps moved to, much less track them where they went.

Sure, they could smell then, they still can't see the Rice vampires while they're moving and the mutants are still too slow to react to an attack from them.

So it seems like they're back to square one, getting hit by peeps they can't see, while they're busy figthing the ones they can.

Only road-bump for the supernatural team is how to put down Wolverine, Creed, Colossus and Juggernaut. Wolverine can be KO'd, possibly have his heart ripped out, Creed could be torn/cut to pieces and eaten by the Lycans, Colossus and Juggenaut are the problem, though Nomak for sure showed greater strength, possibly a few other vampires and werewolves too.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Thank you 👆 This is part of what I meant by saying he was missing alot.

Haha, no, dude.

Originally posted by Robtard
Sure, they could smell then, they still can't see them while they're moving and they're too slow to react, seems like they're back to square one.

Haha, no, dude.

Storm. Big ass tornadoes. Vampires thrown to and fro. Think about it.

Arc Light. Remember when she targeted all those plastic guns and nothing else? Her shock wave attack is precise, she's like a surgeon with it. If she is looking down on the battle and her teammates are mixed in with the Vampires, she can easily target the vampires and leave her mates unharmed.

I'm on the fence here, mind you, just saying this is not a wtf curbstomp.

Originally posted by Robtard
Sure, they could smell then, they still can't see the Rice vampires while they're moving and the mutants are still too slow to react to an attack.

Incorrect. The beastly mutants have faster perception than humans. They move faster. Are more agile, etc. For example, Wolverine can tear apart an entire squad of special ops soldiers specially trained to take down mutants...with just his claws, alone. Ssbertooth is, supposedly, superior.

Hank was taking out loads of mutants in X-3 at the final battle. Toad has shown uber reflexes in X-1.

That's the end of my story.

And that means they can track and react to vampires that can move faster than the human eye can follow? No, they've not shown this.

Taking out humans soldiers and mutants that don't move anywhere near as fast doesn't count as a similar or equal feat.

Originally posted by dadudemon
That would be any mutant with ultra-animal powers like Wolverine, Sabertooth, Hank, Toad, etc. Agent Zero and Ozy are easily candidates for "faster than human perception." Beast, Wolverine, and Sabertooth could probably smell where the vamps moved to, much less track them where they went.

Sure they have keener senses, but that does not automatically mean they'll be able to see someone that can move so fast that he appeared to have teleported. You've also grouped all of them together as if its a given that their senses are all equal. Unless they've demonstrated such a feat, and it would be a big feat, you can't assume they have such an ability.

Smelling, yes, but that won't do much good.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Storm. Big ass tornadoes. Vampires thrown to and fro. Think about it.

Arc Light. Remember when she targeted all those plastic guns and nothing else? Her shock wave attack is precise, she's like a surgeon with it. If she is looking down on the battle and her teammates are mixed in with the Vampires, she can easily target the vampires and leave her mates unharmed.

I'm on the fence here, mind you, just saying this is not a wtf curbstomp.

Na, it's a WTF stomp with the crazy-fast vampires in play.

Edit: the supernatural team also has quiet a few that have their own healing factors and/or can only be hurt by specific attacks.

Originally posted by Robtard
Na, it's a WTF stomp with the crazy-fast vampires in play.

Edit: Also the supernatural team has quiet a few that have their own healing factors and/or can only be hurt by specific attacks.

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U mad, Bro?

Read the OP. The mutants know how to kill them.

Originally posted by Placidity
Sure they have keener senses, but that does not automatically mean they'll be able to see someone that can move so fast that he appeared to have teleported.

I disagree.

They'll know exactly where they went specifically because of their keener senses. Rustling clothing, smells, sound of their feet moving, the sound of the wind through their clothes, etc. 🙂

Originally posted by Placidity
You've also grouped all of them together as if its a given that their senses are all equal..

Nope, grouped together just because of a threshold. 👆

Originally posted by Placidity
Smelling, yes, but that won't do much good.

That's not he only sense they have. I'd say a human in a quiet room could do really well against them if they trained for it. 😄

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi

There's Lestat, then Max, who can move just as fast. Callisto moved that fast and Storm wtf pwned her ass.

1. Callisto was evidently not faster than the human eye could see. Storm clearly saw her.

2. Storm 'pwned' her by predicting where Callisto would run to and she delivered a premeditated strike which knocked Callisto on her ass.
Had Storm somehow got super duper lucky and randomly struck her arm out and caught one of these Vamps by pure chance, the blow would likely do nothing by break her own arm. She would then proceed to get dismembered.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I disagree.

They'll know exactly where they went specifically because of their keener senses. Rustling clothing, smells, sound of their feet moving, the sound of the wind through their clothes, etc. 🙂

Nope, grouped together just because of a threshold. 👆

That's not he only sense they have. I'd say a human in a quiet room could do really well against them if they trained for it. 😄

Well, you can have your opinion, but without any feats you can't really make any solid arguments. 😛