revolution spreads to egypt

Originally posted by Liberator
The problem I've seen in the videos is the nagging question, where are all the women? They still do not have equal voice.

I imagine among the pro democratic protesters they do, and they are probably there, however Egypt, like many other nations in North Africa/Middle East has a massive population of young, unemployed men who these revolutions are basically speaking to.

I can't be sure though. I could draw comparisons to the Iranian revolution, where women played a central part, but I just argued that the Iranian revolution wasn't a good model for this one 🙂

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very informative

also, ya, few women in those crowds... not surprising in terms of the pro-Mubarak supporters, but I find it surprising they aren't there for the pro-democracy side. Maybe the conflict and escalating violence has driven them off? or maybe it is a male dominated thing...

EDIT: thinking about it, and I don't know how much this applies, but a lot of the protest is over anger about high unemployment. Given that female roles, even in a generally secular nation like Egypt, are in the home or in more "traditionally female" sectors, they might not face the same issues of unemployment that males do. I agree they are probably second class citizens and such, and would benefit from the democracy, but they might not share the same anger and humiliation men do from being unemployed... just off the top of my head really... Whereas in places like Iran, the revolution used female bodies as a billboard, here it seems like practical problems of employment have motivated men moreso than women... lol, maybe?

News says they're starting throwing rocks at each other. How long until guns replace stone?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010%E2%80%932011_Arab_world_protests

WOW!

this is bigger than I could have imagined. to quote TYT, this is the revolution that the internet promised us

apparently it is beginning to spread beyond the Arab world into places like Albania also!

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/europe/2011/01/2011122134433502716.html

Arabs --> Albanias --> Americans?
The progressions is clear and obvious.

It's frightening how many of the protests started with "self immolation".

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos

It's frightening how many of the protests started with "self immolation".

Which the Arabs stole from the Tibetan monks. Really, they should get their own shtick, makes for a better protest/revolution.

Hard to come up with something even more impressive and attention-grabbing that would display the same apparent level of despair while maintaining the righteousness of the cause.
Self immolation works, especially in these times. The whole world sees the unselfish 'peaceful' sacrifice and the person in question knows a growing amount of accusing fingers will be pointing at his nemesis, and none of the fingers that matter will doubt and turn on his cause. Opossed to for example counter terrorism, coupes or civil wars.

IMO, the whole "I don't like 'insert object of displeasure' so I'm gonna burn myself to death in protest" is fail. Granted, I think people should be allowed to kill themselves, it's still pretty ****ing stupid.

Originally posted by Robtard
IMO, the whole "I don't like 'insert object of displeasure' so I'm gonna burn myself to death in protest" is fail. Granted, I think people should be allowed to kill themselves, it's still pretty ****ing stupid.

Anderson Cooper, well know CNN reporter, attacked in the streets by pro-Mubarak supporters. This was a trend seen all day as reporters were attacked all accross the country. The egyptian soldiers did nothing to help him (though, he did make it to safety, and they might have risked escalating the situation)

I couldn't find a longer clip, but the one on TYT (part of their 30 min episode) shows the beginning where he says he's been hit in the head something like 10 times

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Cooper talking about the incident:

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remember, many, if not the majority, of the pro-mubarak side are members of the interior ministry or plain clothes police officers...

terrifying

Hahaha. I love living in 'Murica.

I have a hard time believing Mubarak has many actual "supporters". Most of them are police or the equivalent of hired thugs i'd bet.

IIRC Mubarak did a very poor job of hiding it. I saw someone comparing it to a mob boss talking about how you have such nice shins and it would be a shame if something happened to them.

Originally posted by King Kandy
I have a hard time believing Mubarak has many actual "supporters". Most of them are police or the equivalent of hired thugs i'd bet.

AJE and TYT seem to take for granted that they are people who worked for the government who were essentially told "go protest or don't get paid" or actual security and police forces

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
IIRC Mubarak did a very poor job of hiding it. I saw someone comparing it to a mob boss talking about how you have such nice shins and it would be a shame if something happened to them.

LOL

ha, thats a good comparison

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Hahaha. I love living in 'Murica.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
well, you know, 'murica has fascist propaganda as news, microwave weapons, and the neutron bomb. so you know, we keep doing the same thing and states declare bankruptcy so every retiree loses their state pensions and healthcare and unemployment climbs to 30%. america turns into egypt, obama drops a few bombs, vaporises a few tens of millions, but the cities are left and will be livable soon enough. the republicans declare that the russians attacked us and start praying and masturbating for armageddon, the bankers make a killing investing in gravestones and granite, the corporatists make a killing on government subsidized paupers insurance payouts, the tea party will be happy with fewer liberals, socialists, blacks, muslims, intellectuals, catholics, jews, and poor people in the world, and the democrats get to brag about how they solved unemployment and made everything solvent.

I really hope the western nations don't get their filthy hands all over this.

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I'm going to marry Zizek some day

People being shot by the army (maybe) and the police. The guy that the police shot could hardly have looked more harmless.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqydgpyVNKY

Originally posted by Liberator
I really hope the western nations don't get their filthy hands all over this.

Course they wont. It's not like they have any interests in the area...Such as the Suez canal.