The ENTIRE trans tier (as per the tierings here at KMC) vs...

TheLordofMurder Senior Member

This is a guantlet folks! The entire Trans Tier (Marvel+DC) vs the following....how far do they get?

1) The Unimind...
2) Dormammu + all his Mindless Ones in the heart of the Dark Dimension...
3) Odin + Surter (no amps or gear)...
4) Odin (limited to only calling Gungnir) + Surter (has Twilight)...
5) Demogorge (at peak power)...
6) 2000ft Asgardian Destroyer with Gungnir in hand...
7) The Shaper of Worlds...
8) Kubik + The Shaper of Worlds...
9) Arishem the Judge...
10) BCA Galactus...

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KuRuPT Thanosi Senior Member

Thanos and DP Tyrant are also in the wrong tier.

Black bolt z Mindsets Master

2 should be higher then it is.

I see them mabye, possibly squeezing past 4 and 5 but no way in hell are they passing 6.

TheLordofMurder Senior Member

@Thanosi and Black Bolt...

I dont agree with the tiers as a whole either, but at some point in time this was the consensus here evidently; maybe we can have them redone at some point...

@whoever thinks the Trans Tier clears...

Why do you think they clear? I wont say that you are wrong, but I am very curious as to why you think they can beat the more powerful challenges in this gauntlet...

Rage.Of.Olympus Senior Member

The Trans tier listed on KMC? Stops at five in my opinion.

Black bolt z Mindsets Master

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
@whoever thinks the Trans Tier clears...
Why do you think they clear? I wont say that you are wrong, but I am very curious as to why you think they can beat the more powerful challenges in this gauntlet...

Whoever thinks the tran's clear the gauntlet obviously doesn't know the power or trans's or the power of the people on the list.

Uriel005 Senior Member

switch 5 and 6 for sure if not putting Dem above Kubic. Also Ara should be lower on the list not exactly sure where but destroyer armor is definitely enough to wreck him and Dem can definitely wreck a single pantheon if we're talking about him at his peak post consuming thousands of gods.

TheLordofMurder Senior Member

Originally posted by Uriel005
switch 5 and 6 for sure if not putting Dem above Kubic. Also Ara should be lower on the list not exactly sure where but destroyer armor is definitely enough to wreck him and Dem can definitely wreck a single pantheon if we're talking about him at his peak post consuming thousands of gods.

Switching 5 for 6 is arguable...but is within reason...putting Demogorge above Kubik is not however; Kubik literally has universe reality warping ability...Demogorge has no feat to suggest he's that powerful.

Arishem is clearly beyond the 2000ft Destroyer (as is demostrated in Thor 300) and Kubik (by his own admission) is far below a Celestial...

So you can argue 5 and 6, but the rest I think is spot on...

Sirius77 Senior Member

Every trans?

TheLordofMurder Senior Member

Originally posted by Sirius77
Every trans?

Yep...all of them...every single Trans Tier from Marvel and DC.

Uriel005 Senior Member

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Switching 5 for 6 is arguable...but is within reason...putting Demogorge above Kubik is not however; Kubik literally has universe reality warping ability...Demogorge has no feat to suggest he's that powerful.
Arishem is clearly beyond the 2000ft Destroyer (as is demostrated in Thor 300) and Kubik (by his own admission) is far below a Celestial...
So you can argue 5 and 6, but the rest I think is spot on...

If kubik is below a celestial and Odin took on a host in 2000ft destroyer then how is he above destroyer.

TheLordofMurder Senior Member

Originally posted by Uriel005
If kubik is below a celestial and Odin took on a host in 2000ft destroyer then how is he above destroyer.

Just because the 2000ft Destroyer took on a Celestial Host doesnt mean its on their level...

I mean, Captain America could "take on" all of Galactus's Heralds, and he isnt on their level...

Bottomline is "taking on" someone isnt a good indicator at all of what your power level is; theoretically, a puppy could "take on" Galactus...and we all know how that would turn out.

Besides (as pertains the 2000ft Destroyer vs a Celestial Host) the AD was unable to do anything significant to them at all...so it is clearly beneath them.

Uriel005 Senior Member

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Just because the 2000ft Destroyer took on a Celestial Host doesnt mean its on their level...
I mean, Captain America could "take on" all of Galactus's Heralds, and he isnt on their level...
Bottomline is "taking on" someone isnt a good indicator at all of what your power level is; theoretically, a puppy could "take on" Galactus...and we all know how that would turn out.
Besides (as pertains the 2000ft Destroyer vs a Celestial Host) the AD was unable to do anything significant to them at all...so it is clearly beneath them.

I understand your point but I just meant to say that if the celestials were so far beyond kubik I think they could have waved a hand at the destroyer and wiped it and because they didn't I have always been of the opinion that the celestials are not matching their hype and Kubik may well in fact be more powerful and his relative weakness a perception built into him by the celestials. Kind of like Forge and Nimrod type of scenario where yes Forge can create near god-level tech but it doesn't make him more powerful than it.

Sirius77 Senior Member

What does BCA Galactus stand for?

zopzop Lord of the Great Abyss

Originally posted by Sirius77
What does BCA Galactus stand for?

Black Celestial Arc. It was a Fantastic Four storyline that had Tiamut alter Galactus hunger and increase it exponentially. He was eatin' the universe till Reed and crew got him the Nullifier and he offed himself.

Sirius77 Senior Member

Thats intense. I'll have to read that. So for the sake of argument, what's to stop some of the copycats on team trans from copying? Here's a look at the trans list:

Amazo, Appolyon, The Asgardian Destroyer, Black Racer, Blackheart, Blaze, Circe, Count Abyss, Death Urge, Despero, The Doctor, Doomsday (H/P), Dr. Fate, Dr. Strange (classic), Eclipso, Elders of the Universe (minus Ego), Fernus, Gog, Gray Man, High Evolutionary, Ion (current), Jenny Quantum, The Keeper, King Thor, Magus (original), Mangog, Mongul I (Pre Crisis), Nightmare, Onimar Synn, Onslaught, Queen of Fables, Resurrection Man 1 Million, Sentinel (Alan Scott), Silver Age Kryptonians/Daxamites, Solusandra, Stayne, Strange Visitor, Sun Eater, Superboy Prime, Superman 1 Million, Takion, Thanos, Tyrant (powered down), Validus

This is a really interesting thread, there should be more healthy discussion lol. So people, why do all of these stop at 5 or 6 or 7 or whatever? The trans probably do lose, but in all of your opinions, why?

zopzop Lord of the Great Abyss

I think they stop at Arshiem.

Although I'd move the Destroyer up right behind Arshiem and move Kubik/Shaper down.

1) The Unimind...
2) Dormammu + all his Mindless Ones in the heart of the Dark Dimension...
3) The Shaper of Worlds...
4) Odin + Surter (no amps or gear)...
5) Odin (limited to only calling Gungnir) + Surter (has Twilight)...
6) Kubik + The Shaper of Worlds...
7) Demogorge (at peak power)...
8) 2000ft Asgardian Destroyer with Gungnir in hand...
9) Arishem the Judge...
10) BCA Galactus...

BCA Galactus really didn't do anything except stay in one place and devour the universe 😛

BobbyD Animal Lover

Give the trans tier some prep....

With Fate, Strange and Thanos, they could come up with some uber ridiculous poop. They could tech Amazo to mere godlike status, who could become virtually indestructible. Scary to think what they could do to H/P Doomsday.

I don't know, there's some characters I'm not at all that familiar with. But, jeepers there's some firepower in that trans tier team. DP Tyrant? Onslaught? Keeper? Putting those heads together and amping someone driving the Asgardian Destroyer would interesting.

Black bolt z Mindsets Master

Originally posted by zopzop
I think they stop at Arshiem.
Although I'd move the Destroyer up right behind Arshiem and move Kubik/Shaper down.
1) The Unimind...
2) Dormammu + all his Mindless Ones in the heart of the Dark Dimension...
3) The Shaper of Worlds...
4) Odin + Surter (no amps or gear)...
5) Odin (limited to only calling Gungnir) + Surter (has Twilight)...
6) Kubik + The Shaper of Worlds...
7) Demogorge (at peak power)...
8) 2000ft Asgardian Destroyer with Gungnir in hand...
9) Arishem the Judge...
10) BCA Galactus...
BCA Galactus really didn't do anything except stay in one place and devour the universe 😛

Explain how they get past 6.

And what the hell is this order?

How far does the Trans Tier get?