1. Not sure. I can't recall any intelligence showings off the top of my head for Orion but I can for Thor. Of course, I'm primarily a Thor fan.
2. Based on purely feats -at least as far as I've seen- I'd give it to Thor. Orion did come off as impressive against Darkseid and his former master but those are the only legit skilled fighting feats I can think of. Either way, Orion is still probably as formidable in hand to hand combat.
3. I'm not really sure. Based on purely feats -at least as far as I've seen- I'd give it to Thor.
4. Thor.
5. Depends on portrayal. Based on purely feats -at least as far as I've seen- I'd give it to Thor.
6. Orion can go from a raging animal to an actual warrior depending on the writer, so on average I'd give it to Thor.
7. I think Orion was shown to be a full blown adult in like 70,000 B.C. once but that was really out of left field based on what I remember of the New Gods. On the other hand, we also have instances that would indicate Thor being older than man etc. Depends on portrayal I guess.
8. Depends on how the Astro Force is used. If he can be amped by the source or some such, then probably Orion. Other than that, Thor.
Re: Thor Or Orion?
1. Who is overall smarter?
Depends on the showing. I think they both get portrayed as pretty stupid fairly often. I can only really point to the Kirby and the Simonson stuff for a truly intelligent version of Orion, but man...he was pretty brilliant in the Simonson stuff, especially towards the end.
On average, Thor, but I'd bet that Orion's highest is higher than Thor's.
2. Who is a better martial artist/fighter?
Orion, definitely.
3. Who has the better will?
Same, probably. I suppose Orion has been tempered more by his own internal demons.
4. Who is more durable?
Orion.
5. Who has better reaction speeds?
Orion.
6. Who is a better tactician?
This is what I was referring to above in regards to intelligence. Orion, some of the time. Thor, most.
7. Who is older?
It depends on which timeline you use. Orion has been around since 40,000 BC at minimum as of Seven Soldiers 1, and he was fully formed at that point, so he'd have to have been around for a few thousand years before that. The official Byrne timeline has him at about 300 years old, which would be significantly younger than Thor.
8. Who can tap into more power, if need be?
Orion's capable of tapping into "Source of the Beast", True form, etc.
Thor into the "Godblast". Probably about even when it all comes down to it.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Question Prep Man: You said better martial artist. Does that translate into better combatant or whose more formidable in hand to hand? Because I believe that Orion is a better martial artist but I don't believe that makes him a more effective or formidable fighter.
Either or. You can use both.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I think Orion is a better martial artist but I think Thor's is at least as an effective and formidable fighter in hand to hand.
The thing is though, that Orion is quite close to Thor in strength and durability. Thus, if one is more skilled they should clearly have the advantage in this area. I think Thor wins because he's decent enough to compete in h2h with Orion, and then let his other powers carry the day.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
The thing is though, that Orion is quite close to Thor in strength and durability. Thus, if one is more skilled they should clearly have the advantage in this area. I think Thor wins because he's decent enough to compete in h2h with Orion, and then let his other powers carry the day.
I said Orion is a better martial artist. I didn't say his more skilled/formidable in hand to hand.
The two don't go hand in hand.
Orion might be more likely to do a flip, but place them in a ring with equal bodies and Thor has at least a 50% shot at taking it.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I said Orion is a better martial artist. I didn't say his more skilled/formidable in hand to hand.
I know, which is why I responded with what I did because he is just that. If you ARE a better MA and have close to equal strength and durability you should always be more skilled and formidable in h2h. Thor is good enough to compete but isn't good enough to be equal when one is clearly superior in MA and they are close to each other in the other relevant h2h areas.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I know, which is why I responded with what I did because he is just that. If you ARE a better MA and have close to equal strength and durability you should always be more skilled and formidable in h2h. Thor is good enough to compete but isn't good enough to be equal when one is clearly superior in MA and they are close to each other in the other relevant h2h areas.
Since when does it work that way? Fighters can have different specialties other than martial arts and be just as formidable. Orion may be more prone to martial arts type maneuvers but that doesn't in itself make him more formidable in hand to hand than Thor whose more of a boxer/wrestler that utilizes speed/agility more than regular.
Name me all the times Orion has demonstrated martial arts skills since his clearly superior.
I posted all of Thor's notable hand to hand feats, at the top of this page and at the bottom of the page before this:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=522796&pagenumber=16
Mantis? I remember Valkyrie batteling Orion. She was called the greatest martial artist in the universe and held tournaments as well. Orion was in a pacifist state and nearly beat her until Highfather interrupted it.
When Valkyrie ambushed Orion in the beginning of the fight, the Forever people claimed if Orion was in his prime, Val wouldn't have gotten 5 meters of Orion or something to that.
In Simonson's Orion, Orion claimed he knew all forms of warfare from across the universe.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Sundipped Superman? What? When did that happen?Unless I'm forgetting something, his fight with Darkseid is more impressive than any fight with Mantis I've seen.
I'm pretty sure Darkseid threw the fight against Orion however. Impressive either way but it should be noted.
Probably thinking of the Dominus arc, where Superman had a small sun dip. The JLA claimed that Orion was the only one capable of taking on Superman at the time.