Gladiator, Silver Surfer, and Super Skrull vs. JLA!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by -Pr-
lol of course not.

One fight doesn't prove anything, especially going by the rules of this forum.

And Current Superman fought the ACTUAL Pre-Crisis Superman and held his own. So there is that.

Its pretty much ALL of his feats that make me believe he is above Supes but honestly, I don't want to talk about those 2 being over the other because I have a feeling its going to lead to me receiving a warning. I never stated that superman wasn't powerful because all in all, he is.

Originally posted by Starscream M
super skrull has gem of cytorrak (power of juggernaut)

your point, he can still be mind raped

Originally posted by carver9
Its pretty much ALL of his feats that make me believe he is above Supes but honestly, I don't want to talk about those 2 being over the other because I have a feeling its going to lead to me receiving a warning. I never stated that superman wasn't powerful because all in all, he is.

the ones you posted were nothing Superman couldn't do or hadn't exceeded, though.

You keep saying "going by feats" Gladiator is more powerful.

WHAT FEATS?

the ones where you just disregard most of the Superman ones because they'll make mister mohawk look bad?

Yes, Gladiator is powerful. Yes, he's a force to be reckoned with, but there is NOTHING in his library that puts him above current Suprman. Zero if you've read both characters, and you obviously haven't read enough Superman.

Either that or it's just blind fanboy hate. I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here.

Originally posted by Starscream M
super skrull has gem of cytorrak (power of juggernaut)

he can still be bfr'd or psychically attacked.

JLA Wins.

Green Lantern and Diana vs Silver Surfer

Superman and Steel vs Gladiator

Martian Manhunter and Flash vs Super Skrull

Batman sacrifices himself, his death will give the JLA a 50% stats boosts and bloodlust. Believe it.

Originally posted by Placidity
JLA Wins.

Green Lantern and Diana vs Silver Surfer

Superman and Steel vs Gladiator

Martian Manhunter and Flash vs Super Skrull

Yes. If I was calling teams I'd swap Flash and Steel (invisible forcefields are good against Flash), but it's pretty solid in any case.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Diana is faster than Gladiator combat wise. She can get her bracers up to block the punch. He isn't getting through that shield.

Without her shield, she's been hit by a Superman that apparently "wasn't holding back" and survived. That tops anything Gladiator can hit her with.

Add in the mountains of other people she's taken shots from, and she's not getting one-shotted.

Saying she would is lowballing of the highest (lowest?) order.

Diana wouldn't get one-shotted by glads, but unless she pulled a lasso win she would lose; while she might block punches with her bracers, Gladiator would beat her via wrestling attacks. Still, not a great match-up for Glads as it would be a long fight.

In terms of Glads' strength and durability, I think Carver's reasoning (and correct me if I'm wrong, Carver), is that whereas Superman's power exists somewhere between his high and low feats, if Gladiator's low-feats are due to low-confidence, then at high-confidence Gladiator's "average" power is higher than Superman's (which I think is true), but ONLY if the thread stipulates "full-confidence" Gladiator, which it does not.

Originally posted by Simbon
Diana wouldn't get one-shotted by glads, but unless she pulled a lasso win she would lose; while she might block punches with her bracers, Gladiator would beat her via wrestling attacks. Still, not a great match-up for Glads as it would be a long fight.

In terms of Glads' strength and durability, I think Carver's reasoning (and correct me if I'm wrong, Carver), is that whereas Superman's power exists somewhere between his high and low feats, if Gladiator's low-feats are due to low-confidence, then at high-confidence Gladiator's "average" power is higher than Superman's (which I think is true), but ONLY if the thread stipulates "full-confidence" Gladiator, which it does not.

well isnt full-confidence kind of a hyperbole? it dificult to properly gauge, its like saying full potential iceman or some other crap

Originally posted by Simbon
Diana wouldn't get one-shotted by glads, but unless she pulled a lasso win she would lose; while she might block punches with her bracers, Gladiator would beat her via wrestling attacks. Still, not a great match-up for Glads as it would be a long fight.

In terms of Glads' strength and durability, I think Carver's reasoning (and correct me if I'm wrong, Carver), is that whereas Superman's power exists somewhere between his high and low feats, if Gladiator's low-feats are due to low-confidence, then at high-confidence Gladiator's "average" power is higher than Superman's (which I think is true), but ONLY if the thread stipulates "full-confidence" Gladiator, which it does not.

I have literally zero issue with Gladiator beating Diana. It could happen. I just take exception to people lowballing characters to the point that they come out with something like "x gets one-shotted".

and it's always the same damn characters too.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
well isnt full-confidence kind of a hyperbole? it dificult to properly gauge, its like saying full potential iceman or some other crap

Of course, I totally agree. There are a lot of these: Full-confidence Gladiator, full-strength Galactus, full-potential Iceman, non-jobbing Apocalypse...

I am frankly astonished that no one has yet introduced full-anger Hulk yet; just ways people have of putting characters in fights where they can ignore low-showings.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I have literally zero issue with Gladiator beating Diana. It could happen. I just take exception to people lowballing characters to the point that they come out with something like "x gets one-shotted".

and it's always the same damn characters too.

Yeah, I don't think anyone under skyfather is going to one-shot Diana. Not even those with "sky-father stength". 🙂

Originally posted by Simbon
Diana wouldn't get one-shotted by glads, but unless she pulled a lasso win she would lose; while she might block punches with her bracers, Gladiator would beat her via wrestling attacks. Still, not a great match-up for Glads as it would be a long fight.

In terms of Glads' strength and durability, I think Carver's reasoning (and correct me if I'm wrong, Carver), is that whereas Superman's power exists somewhere between his high and low feats, if Gladiator's low-feats are due to low-confidence, then at high-confidence Gladiator's "average" power is higher than Superman's (which I think is true), but ONLY if the thread stipulates "full-confidence" Gladiator, which it does not.

This is EXACTLY what I am saying and he really doesn't have any low end showing if yu actually look at it. One instance is him taking on the fantastic four and him pounding on cap shield but even then, he one shotted thing and basically destroyed the fantastic four and the xmen/skrulls.

Then we have the cannonball instance but again, he was annihilating cannonball and cannonball along with glads admitted that glads was toying with him.

The rest of his showings is beastly.

I will post some in a minute.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
well isnt full-confidence kind of a hyperbole? it dificult to properly gauge, its like saying full potential iceman or some other crap

Originally posted by -Pr-
the ones you posted were nothing Superman couldn't do or hadn't exceeded, though.

You keep saying "going by feats" Gladiator is more powerful.

WHAT FEATS?

the ones where you just disregard most of the Superman ones because they'll make mister mohawk look bad?

Yes, Gladiator is powerful. Yes, he's a force to be reckoned with, but there is NOTHING in his library that puts him above current Suprman. Zero if you've read both characters, and you obviously haven't read enough Superman.

Either that or it's just blind fanboy hate. I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here.

he can still be bfr'd or psychically attacked.

Supes is far beneath Glads.

Going from memory,

Glads has busted a planet.

Kal has busted a moon.

Glads has gone at 100 FTL, kept up with a ship in hyperspace, and intereacted with people cut off from the timestream on sheer speed.

Kal is a hair slower than Jay Garrick.

This is all irrelevant since Surfer can solo of course.

Originally posted by moonknight11
Supes is far beneath Glads.

Going from memory,

Glads has busted a planet.

Kal has busted a moon.

Glads has gone at 100 FTL, kept up with a ship in hyperspace, and intereacted with people cut off from the timestream on sheer speed.

Kal is a hair slower than Jay Garrick.

This is all irrelevant since Surfer can solo of course.

Originally posted by carver9
This is where we disagree since I think Glads is physically superior to supes in EVERY way possible. His long fight against Supreme (who is an established pre crisis superman clone) proves that he is above supes physically.

To each his own.

We dont use crossovers as evidence of anything.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Per the forums rules your post is 100% wrong

Nope.

Originally posted by moonknight11
Nope.

Originally posted by Simbon
Diana wouldn't get one-shotted by glads, but unless she pulled a lasso win she would lose; while she might block punches with her bracers, Gladiator would beat her via wrestling attacks. Still, not a great match-up for Glads as it would be a long fight.

In terms of Glads' strength and durability, I think Carver's reasoning (and correct me if I'm wrong, Carver), is that whereas Superman's power exists somewhere between his high and low feats, if Gladiator's low-feats are due to low-confidence, then at high-confidence Gladiator's "average" power is higher than Superman's (which I think is true), but ONLY if the thread stipulates "full-confidence" Gladiator, which it does not.