Another Crappy-American-Cops Thread.

Originally posted by inimalist
yes, implying that there is some obvious reason that smart people would be aware of

I certainly would wonder why, as I dont see how police brutality makes you want to be brutal to the police. I don't understand how people can think saying "they are evil, lets do the exact same evil we accuse them of to them, because that will be good" makes even an iota of sense

I never said it was right, but I can understand the mentality. People knowing that the police are setting them up in the system and it's a horrible system where the food in some county jails have mold on the bread, are over crowed and baloney sandwiches 3 times a day for little incidents, are way out of line. People understand that it's all about pulling money into the system. Their aim is against more ethnic people and the poor (can't afford a lawyer) . Knowing that this poor excuse of a system knows that it will most certainly win the case and jails/prisons get kick back from the state, which are overly populated, conditions are poor and people are left to die without medications that aren't given to them in a timely manner.

Iike I've said in a preivious thread, I'm just waiting for the riots to start and I hope to be moved away from here when that happens.

This reminds me of the Jim Jim Chasse Case.

Who cares?

Jesus

Originally posted by Mindset
Read the comments on the video; America is being overrun by bigoted idiots.

Ebaumsworld "commenters" are notorious on the internet as being nothing but trolls. Seriously. It's like...half of them come from the KKK and the other half from 4Chan. (As if those two were mutually eclusive. ZIIING! 😆)

Originally posted by inimalist
define "abused", though no, I wouldn't use that term

The brother of a friend of mine was hospitalized once while walking home drunk. I imagine he was being lippy, but the story that was told (by his dad who was handcuffed in the car when the beating happened) was that the police wanted to "get him back" because he had a charge (and had served his debt to society) for assaulting an officer.

I have had to deal with cops before, while they were trampling my rights, and my conclusion was shut up or get beat. /shrug

Dude, that last part in your post. So you REALLY HAVE been abused. That sounds like a story I'd like to hear, sometime.

Originally posted by Mindset
Read the comments on the video; America is being overrun by bigoted idiots.

Ebaumsworld "commenters" are notorious on the internet as being nothing but trolls. Seriously. It's like...half of them come from the KKK and the other half from 4Chan. (As if those two were mutually exclusive. ZIIING! 😆) You're looking at the worst of the worst on ebaumsworld commentators.

Originally posted by inimalist
define "abused", though no, I wouldn't use that term

The brother of a friend of mine was hospitalized once while walking home drunk. I imagine he was being lippy, but the story that was told (by his dad who was handcuffed in the car when the beating happened) was that the police wanted to "get him back" because he had a charge (and had served his debt to society) for assaulting an officer.

I have had to deal with cops before, while they were trampling my rights, and my conclusion was shut up or get beat. /shrug

Dude, that last part in your post. So you REALLY HAVE been abused. That sounds like a story I'd like to hear, sometime.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Who cares?

To whom was that directed? The police case or to Jello? If to the thread, the people that care are the ones that posted in this thread, seriously...and the entire city of Houston.

If it was to Jello, I care. I liked his comment. It really DOES remind me of that case. However, James Chasse was holding a knife so this case (the one I posted about in the thread) is even worse as the dude had clearly given up and "assumed the position." Regardless, you can abuse my threads as much as you want because I don't want your size 17 shoe to kick my ass. 🙁

Here's a better link to Chris Holley's (the teen boy) court case:

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=7745853

Apparently, the young man was only charged with delinquent burglary. Not armed robbery, not assault on law enforcement, and so forth. This means that he was:

A: wrong place and the wrong time when the police showed up.
B: Guilty, but he obviously had no weapon, did not assault anyone, but just ran.

No matter the case, the beat down was not warranted. There is not "additional" information about Chris Holley that somehow makes the police officers slightly justified in their actions.

Chasse didn't have a knife. Here's a review of the case. James "Jim Jim" Chasse was a Portland area musician and fanzine journalist famous in the PDX Punk Rock scene who was diagnosed with Schizophrenia at age 18, institutionalized, and immortalized in the the Wipers' songs Alien Boy and No One Wants an Alien off the Is This Real? and Over The Edge albums (both available on the recent box set).
He was released and on medication. He was confronted by police for suspected public urination and vagrancy despite carrying an ID with his address on it. He reportedly ran and was chased by as many as 10 police officers who tased, tackled and beat him to the point where he had 26 broken bones, two punctured lungs, and a ruptured pericardium. He was cleared by on scene paramedics (despite bleeding blood and water from the mouth and chest, near shock, difficulty breathing, and protruding ribs) and was thrown in a holding cell where he screamed and bled out for 45 minutes until he was finally checked out and died en route to the hospital. No one was ever charged or disciplined but a public apology was issued and a supposed policy by the department to "purge the mentally ill and indigent" was leaked to the local media.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
Chasse didn't have a knife. Here's a review of the case. James "Jim Jim" Chasse was a Portland area musician and fanzine journalist famous in the PDX Punk Rock scene who was diagnosed with Schizophrenia at age 18, institutionalized, and immortalized in the the Wipers' songs Alien Boy and No One Wants an Alien off the Is This Real? and Over The Edge albums (both available on the recent box set).
He was released and on medication. He was confronted by police for suspected public urination and vagrancy despite carrying an ID with his address on it. He reportedly ran and was chased by as many as 10 police officers who tased, tackled and beat him to the point where he had 26 broken bones, two punctured lungs, and a ruptured pericardium. He was cleared by on scene paramedics (despite bleeding blood and water from the mouth and chest, near shock, difficulty breathing, and protruding ribs) and was thrown in a holding cell where he screamed and bled out for 45 minutes until he was finally checked out and died en route to the hospital. No one was ever charged or disciplined but a public apology was issued and a supposed policy by the department to "purge the mentally ill and indigent" was leaked to the local media.

I'm aware of the story but I could have sworn he had a knife on him.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I'm aware of the story but I could have sworn he had a knife on him.

Yes they are all abusive. Yes it is a culture/learned behavior. No it will never stop. Yes it has always been there. Not a lot to discuss unless you have proof then they will weed out those they are force to and go on with business as usual.

The cop should had been fired but sometimes we don't know the whole story.And being for cops not againist them it is hard to side.

Well we live in a society where Jon Burge can spend 31 years torturing suspects to death and false confession, fill death row with the falsely imprisoned and then get only 4 and a half years in prison on a technicality.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Its even worse here though, because they taze people who are literally doing nothing. Here's the worst recent example:

Chinese exchange student rents apartment. Goes into his room, and the superintendent forgot that he'd sold that room, and thought someone broke in. Cops arrived, busted into the room, the chinese student hides under the blanket. They yell for him to get out... buuuut, he doesn't speak english and doesn't know what they're saying. So gets tazed for "resisting arrest".

For all the cops know, the kid could have had a gun.

Punk should have learned English prior to going to an English-speaking country.

Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
we don't know the whole story

The hit him with a car and kicked repeatedly after he gave himself up. We can see it all in the video.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
For all the cops know, the kid could have had a gun.

Punk should have learned English prior to going to an English-speaking country.

Such an enlightened perspective. I will abandon all of my plans for world travel now, as you have shown me the true fallacy of touring in a country without being fluent. That definitely seems like the kind of globally-minded thinking that has done such brilliant things for US policy.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Don't like your immigrant neighbors? Just dial 911, its tazing time.

😆 😆 😆

That sounds like a Power Rangers tag line. That's the call of fat egotistical cops, everywhere.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Such an enlightened perspective. I will abandon all of my plans for world travel now, as you have shown me the true fallacy of touring in a country without being fluent. That definitely seems like the kind of globally-minded thinking that has done such brilliant things for US policy.

Dang, dude, you're totally unleashing on that dude. Granted, I do not think the tasing was warranted against the Chinese dude. If I were the cops in that situation, I'd certainly have my "cop training senses" on because I couldn't see the perp's hands.

Originally posted by King Kandy
By that logic, you're basically approving the fact that I could sic cops on anyone I know who doesn't speak english, and absolutely have no consequences. Don't like your immigrant neighbors? Just dial 911, its tazing time.

Such an enlightened perspective. I will abandon all of my plans for world travel now, as you have shown me the true fallacy of touring in a country without being fluent. That definitely seems like the kind of globally-minded thinking that has done such brilliant things for US policy.

No, I'm not endorsing a trigger-happy Redneck mentality. I'm an immigrant, and I learned English, so that kid should have too.

Besides, the police were responding to a break-in...so then they open the door to find some guy hiding under a blanket. He could have been armed.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Besides, the police were responding to a break-in...so then they open the door to find some guy hiding under a blanket. He could have been armed.

I think it's an iffy situation. I do not know what the best course of action is: he could have been aiming for the police under the blanket.

The cops are supposed to make a split-second decision in which their life or the life of their coworkers could end abruptly. What was the best course of action? I think standing outside the room, out of the line of sight of a potential gun firing, while watching him with one of those curved mirror thingies that swat teams use. 😆

That's really the only and best way to properly handle it. That's not an option, though, for 99% of cops out there. Also, the young man DID know some English.

King Kandy, what should the police of done?

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
No, I'm not endorsing a trigger-happy Redneck mentality. I'm an immigrant, and I learned English, so that kid should have too.

Besides, the police were responding to a break-in...so then they open the door to find some guy hiding under a blanket. He could have been armed.

I think those cops were on crack from the last bust. They were on auto-pilot. This was not a playground, there were no jungle gyms and they were not 9.