Kid Buu is among the weakest, and is possibly only above Fat Buu. The most factual sources (such as the manga and original JP recorded anime) state Kid Buu as simply being the most violent form because he's a mindless, unstable killing machine. All sources regarding Kid Buu as being anywhere close to even base form Super Buu are localization errors in the anime. All of Buu's strongest forms are when he was in his Super Buu form(s).
then why would the supreme kai's insist they use the potara earrings if they thought they had a chance to beat kid buu with out it, they also stated that normal fusion would not be enough even though super saiyan gogeta treated super janemba like nothing. I mean not only the supreme kai's but also goku and vegeta have stated that since transforming into kid buu he is more powerful than ever, kibitoshin explained that after kid buu absorbed the kai's becoming super buu and fat buu he was weakened. If your referring to the fact super saiyan 3 goku put up such a good fight then I understand your confusion but we really don't see super saiyan 3 goku really cut loose until he fights kid buu and he still is goku where talking about here the whole dragon ball, dragon ball z and dragon ball gt's greatest hero, when he was fighting fat buu he was just stalling for time so trunks could get the dragon radar, he even said he could have destroyed fat buu if he wanted but he wanted gohan, goten and trunks to do it because goku understood that he won't be around forever so the planet needs them to be able to protect it. And as for his fight against super gotenks buu he put up a good fight against him but he was more focused on stalling him so gohan could get the earring. Besides didn't you notice that in the first part of the fight super saiyan 2 goku was putting up a good fight as well it is just that kid buu wasn't taking him seriously, and super saiyan 3 was no different, super saiyan 3 goku was not getting anywhere throughout the whole fight kid buu never tired or slowed down and took no damage, he regenerated from ever blast with ease, even after a blast strong enough to destroy earth far over 10 times over he regenerated in mere minutes. Even fat buu couldn't land a single punch and spent most of the fight being pummeled and beaten to a pulp, sure some of fat buu's attacks landed but he got no closer than goku.
Imo, being described as the "most dangerous" version of Buu doesn't necessarily equate to him being the "most powerful" version. However, Vegeta did say that Kid Buu was "stronger than he imagined" -- but that could simply mean he -initially- didn't think such a tiny being could possess so much power (ie. Vegeta may have underestimated Kid Buu at first.) /shrug
Other side of the coin, Goku said that if he had enough time to reach full power as a SSJ3, he'd be able to destroy Kid Buu "in an instant". That's important because after Buu absorbed Gohan, Goku was desperately looking for someone to fuse with, because he knew he was no match for Buuhan -- hell, Goku was so desperate that he even considered fusing with Mr. Satan. :-/
So yeah, going with Buuhan here.
Originally posted by Galan007
Imo, being described as the "most dangerous" version of Buu doesn't necessarily equate to him being the "most powerful" version. However, Vegeta did say that Kid Buu was "stronger than he imagined" -- but that could simply mean he -initially- didn't think such a tiny being could possess so much power (ie. Vegeta may have underestimated Kid Buu at first.) /shrugOther side of the coin, Goku said that if he had enough time to reach full power as a SSJ3, he'd be able to destroy Kid Buu "in an instant". That's important because after Buu absorbed Gohan, Goku was desperately looking for someone to fuse with, because he knew he was no match for Buuhan -- hell, Goku was so desperate that he even considered fusing with Mr. Satan. :-/
So yeah, going with Buuhan here.
he didn't say in an instant he said that at full power he MIGHT be able to, read my last message would you, because it doesn't sound like you did, didn't you notice that kid buu was just playing around with goku and that goku never managed to get anywhere against kid buu, it isn't because he's weaker it is because he just plays around with him, I mean didn't you notice that super saiyan 2 goku was doing just as well against kid buu as super saiyan 3, kid buu never took goku seriously. Kid buu is more powerful than buuhan, he just spends an incredible amount of time playing around with his opponents, you know not taking them seriously.
Originally posted by KAIKAGEIs that so..?
he didn't say in an instant he said that at full power he MIGHT be able to,
Like I said above, had Goku been able to reach full power as a SSJ3, he -would- have been able to defeat Kid Buu (as stated by both Vegeta and himself). However, the same cannot be said about Buuhan -- as Goku was desperately looking for someone else to fuse with because he knew he was no match.
Originally posted by KAIKAGEOnce again, Goku was -never- able to reach his full power as a SSJ3. If he would have been able to do so, defeating Kid Buu would have been easily accomplished.
read my last message would you, because it doesn't sound like you did, didn't you notice that kid buu was just playing around with goku and that goku never managed to get anywhere against kid buu, it isn't because he's weaker it is because he just plays around with him, I mean didn't you notice that super saiyan 2 goku was doing just as well against kid buu as super saiyan 3, kid buu never took goku seriously. Kid buu is more powerful than buuhan, he just spends an incredible amount of time playing around with his opponents, you know not taking them seriously.
Just a FYI... the Super Saiyan 3 Goku that fought kid buu was much powerful than the Super Saiyan 3 Goku that fought fat Buu and Super Buu. Let's not forget the massive beatdown he received from Superbuu that took a twink on his power level when he healed.
That could pretty much be the reason he was able to match kid buu. Then, we really never seen Goku actually use the full extent of his Super Saiyan 3 power and him wanting to fuse with Hercule seem more along the lines of "plot" than anything else.
Originally posted by carver9
Just a FYI... the Super Saiyan 3 Goku that fought kid buu was much powerful than the Super Saiyan 3 Goku that fought fat Buu and Super Buu. Let's not forget the massive beatdown he received from Superbuu that took a twink on his power level when he healed.
Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Yeah, but his body was said to still be more thorough and could apparently hold his SSJ3 form longer when he was dead, than he was when alive after the Elder Kai gave him the rest of his life force.
Even though his dead body was able to hold on to the power more vs him being alive doesn't change or take away from his power level. The only difference that made was him quickly reverting back to his other stages (Super Saiyan 2, etc)
He still had a power increase if we go by how Saiyans body works.
Like I said before, we really never got the chance to see Goku unleash as a Super Saiyan 3 until he fought Kid Buu, so using him is irrelevant. I also believe that all of the "Goku trying to find someone to merge with" was a plot just to introduce Vegeto. I don't think it had nothing to do with Gokus power level.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Even if you don't want to use SS3 Goku as a measuring stick, it still does not change the fact that Buu gets stronger (usually) whenever he absorbs and integrates someone.
Kid Buu had no one absorbed. While Buuhan had Goten, Trunks and more importantly, Gohan at his most powerful, absorbed.
Naah, I think you got that kind of backwards. Supreme ki stated that the absorption process weakened him more than anything. Then you all have a bad habits of just going by showings vs statements so with that said, kid buu was shown on panel (during a story telling from Ki) destroying a Galaxy. Even though it took years due to his childish attitude of physically being dominate vs just completely ridding the Galaxy right away, it still happened. Then we have kid buu simply going planet to planet finishing them instantly without breaking a sweat. So with that said, using you alls type of debate involving DBZ characters, kid buu is more powerful.
My main point was... it was hinted that Kid Buu was more powerful and to back this up even further, it was stated that the transformation/absorptions weakened his powerlevel.
The notion that Goku was stronger vs. Kid Buu than he would have been against Buuhan is simply incorrect. Fact is, Goku had no battles in between his encounter with Buuhan and Kid Buu that would have made any significant change in his PL.
Here's how the events went down: Goku transports to earth, fuses with Vegeta, has a brief scuffle with Buuhan (as Vegito) before allowing himself to be absorbed, journeys through Buu's body and frees those he'd absorbed (subsequently reverting Buuhan back to Kid Buu), then almost immediately begins his final battle with Kid Buu on the Kai World.
That being said, Goku's power as a SSJ3 wouldn't have changed much (if at all) between him arriving on earth/fusing into Vegito, and fighting Kid Buu. That's an important fact because just before Goku teleported to earth with the Potara earrings, the Elder Kai flat-out stated that he did NOT stand a chance against Buuhan:
http://img17.imageshack.us/i/411605.jpg/
(And Goku didn't disagree... Hence why they/he decided fusion was the best option.)
Yet when Kid Buu appeared, it was made clear that if Goku had enough time to reach full power as a SSJ3, he'd be able to easily defeat him:
http://img94.imageshack.us/i/unledh.jpg/
Buuhan >> SSJ3 Goku > Kid Buu.
Originally posted by Galan007
The notion that Goku was stronger vs. Kid Buu than he would have been against Buuhan is simply incorrect. Fact is, Goku had no battles in between his encounter with Buuhan and Kid Buu that would have made any significant change in his PL.Here's how the events went down: Goku transports to earth, fuses with Vegeta, has a brief scuffle with Buuhan (as Vegito) before allowing himself to be absorbed, journeys through Buu's body and frees those he'd absorbed (subsequently reverting Buuhan back to Kid Buu), then almost immediately begins his final battle with Kid Buu on the Kai World.
That being said, Goku's power as a SSJ3 wouldn't have changed much (if at all) between him arriving on earth/fusing into Vegito, and fighting Kid Buu. That's an important fact because just before Goku teleported to earth with the Potara earrings, the Elder Kai flat-out stated that he did NOT stand a chance against Buuhan:
http://img17.imageshack.us/i/411605.jpg/
(And Goku didn't disagree... Hence why they/he decided fusion was the best option.)Yet when Kid Buu appeared, it was made clear that if Goku had enough time to reach full power as a SSJ3, he'd be able to easily defeat him:
http://img94.imageshack.us/i/unledh.jpg/Buuhan >> SSJ3 Goku > Kid Buu.
My mind is kind of clear on this so I'm asking... didn't Vegeta and Goku fight Buuhan before turning into Vegeta and got mud stomped and almost died?
Let's not use Supreme Ki as evidence... he didn't know anything at all about Goku power level. Hell, he thought didn't even know about Gohun Super Saiyan transformation. Goku not agreeing with it is a underestimation of his true power level. Goku tends to underestimate himself "a lot" but that still doesn't change the fact that Goku never really cut lose as a Super Saiyan 3 until he fought kid Buu.
Him not facing Buuhan imo was just a way of presenting Vegito.
