Originally posted by The Dark CloudTrump made some good points, read his book "The America We Deserve".
We should not have someone running the country just because they are good at running a business...a country is not a business. Having said that...most politicians are already rich.
That said, just about everything is a business in one way or another, school, government, churches, etc. They just don't admit it.
The people who started the countries were business geniuses who took a start on something, only later the the "politics" come into play.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Trump made some good points, read his book "The America We Deserve".That said, just about everything is a business in one way or another, school, government, churches, etc. They just don't admit it.
The people who started the countries were business geniuses who took a start on something, only later the the "politics" come into play.
Hafta disagree.
A business by definition is where someone starts an endeavor for the purpose of making a financial return on their investment.
Some schools and churches may be a business but certainly not all are. Just because something operates under a budget does not make it a business.
Countries are formed for various reasons. The most ancient ones were shaped by common languages and culture. Many more recent ones were put in place by former governing nations.
As for Donald Trump...I really don't care what he has to say. He IS a business person in the purest form and thus can only see the bottom line in everything. Such people rarely consider human factors, national identity, environmental issues, etc.
Someone did respond. Good.
Originally posted by The Dark Cloud
Hafta disagree.A business by definition is where someone starts an endeavor for the purpose of making a financial return on their investment.
You're welcome to disagree, but they actually are business by the most basic definitions. Even business that are non profit are still businesses, the person who started them might not be out for the money, but the people in them look for money to motivate them to continue working, thus it requires a service to a demand to accumulate resources.
Originally posted by The Dark Cloud
Some schools and churches may be a business but certainly not all are. Just because something operates under a budget does not make it a business.
Doesn't stop them from being businesses.
Churches definitely are, they need to expand, grow, make money, and the people who work in their have to make money, pay their bills, and pay taxes.
Originally posted by The Dark CloudTrue, and in the ancient ones the concept of money was almost nill as people used systems such as bartering. Money really started to take off in the industrial age. But America was built by great minds who happened to have great business sense.
Countries are formed for various reasons. The most ancient ones were shaped by common languages and culture. Many more recent ones were put in place by former governing nations.
Originally posted by The Dark Cloud
As for Donald Trump...I really don't care what he has to say. He IS a business person in the purest form and thus can only see the bottom line in everything. Such people rarely consider human factors, national identity, environmental issues, etc.
That's not true, he doesn't care about just the bottom line. You are free to not want him as a president, nothing wrong with that. He actually covers many issues very well, and it would be nice to be in a surplus and have someone who negotiates well.
Now, most business people aren't people who just "care about the bottom line" there are ones who are shown that way and it spreads like that. It's how you get there, the bottom line does come, but if the steps there are bad, it grows into a problem sooner or later.
Great post though. I like reading it. 🙂
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Someone did respond. Good.You're welcome to disagree, but they actually are business by the most basic definitions. Even business that are non profit are still businesses, the person who started them might not be out for the money, but the people in them look for money to motivate them to continue working, thus it requires a service to a demand to accumulate resources.
Actually almost all of them are. School and education are one of the most lucrative businesses of them all, even if they don't say it outright. Looking at college alone and the massive amount of student loan debt (now around 1 trillion and has outgrown the credit card debt) the cost of schools have expanded faster than the rate of inflation *and* healthcare, when the demand of education went up. Why do this if it weren't a business? Better yet, the degrees are inflated and have less and less meaning. Just like any other business selling an idea. Martial Arts schools that promise a nice belt after a few years and a monthly fee also qualify, they're selling an idea. They also are in cahoots with private loan companies like Sallie Mae, and when Sallie Mae allows students to enter school, if they don't pay back their loan, which is often, they get a kickback from the government. So neither school nor private loan companies are really in the free market.
Doesn't stop them from being businesses.
Churches definitely are, they need to expand, grow, make money, and the people who work in their have to make money, pay their bills, and pay taxes.
True, and in the ancient ones the concept of money was almost nill as people used systems such as bartering. Money really started to take off in the industrial age. But America was built by great minds who happened to have great business sense.That's not true, he doesn't care about just the bottom line. You are free to not want him as a president, nothing wrong with that. He actually covers many issues very well, and it would be nice to be in a surplus and have someone who negotiates well.
Now, most business people aren't people who just "care about the bottom line" there are ones who are shown that way and it spreads like that. It's how you get there, the bottom line does come, but if the steps there are bad, it grows into a problem sooner or later.
Great post though. I like reading it. 🙂
Well, we can agree to disagree
Originally posted by King KandyYea, but after a certain point people will have distrust because of the fact. Millionaire and Mega Billionaire aren't the same thing.
Bill Clinton was not middle class. Obama is debatable as well.
Donald was popular though, but he is more charismatic than Bill Gates. Then again there was Perot.
Who knows?
Originally posted by The Dark Cloud
Bill Clinton was rich...as was Obama. All Presidents are rich.
Lincoln was poor, as was Jackson. The majority tend to have money when they get in though.
Originally posted by RE: BlaxicanI get that vibe from many people. I don't like it as I know people are capable of whatever they want. I grew up in an area of poverty and I have my own company now and everything. I know full well people make of themselves what they want.
Pretty sure that TDC believes that if you have lots of money it has to be because you're a greedy profit is all that matters douchebag.That would fit his hyper-cynic persona well.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Lincoln was poor, as was Jackson. The majority tend to have money when they get in though. I get that vibe from many people. I don't like it as I know people are capable of whatever they want. I grew up in an area of poverty and I have my own company now and everything. I know full well people make of themselves what they want.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Um, how? Both came from poor, middle-low class single parent households... yes, they may have become rich, BECAUSE they extricated themselves through talent. They weren't some bluebloods who were born into wealth.
That's not my point. The point is they were pretty well off by the time they succeeded in polotics. When was the last time a working stiff was elected to anything other than city council?
Originally posted by King KandyYea, but that only goes so far. I mean each person individually is in control of themselves and what they do. I know what it's like to have someone close to me young being killed. I also know many people where I grew up (one of the poorest areas in the US) who think that it is someone else's fault they are what they are instead of the decisions they made. I don't really subscribe to it though, or endorse it. Some backgrounds have a "kick start" but it doesn't determine where they'll end up.
Well, to be fair, a lot of people really weren't given much of a chance. Like, some 5 year old shot dead in Darfur, isn't his fault he didn't accomplish much in his life.
Probably getting off topic though but meh.