Dr. Manhattan vs. Flash

Started by Starscream M6 pages

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Does any other character have that exact powerset? No. Do heralds have abilities like that with many of them being above and beyond what manhattan has shown?Yes,
Im not asking for a character that has all of those...just name characters that have any one of those, but list at least one character for each of Dr. M's feats I have listed

Originally posted by Starscream M
what herald is completely invulnerable from physical harm?-Juggernaut

what herald can see into the future?-Surfer

what herald can disassemble organic (human) and inorganic (weapons) with a mere thought?-Surfer,thor...the list for this one goes on and on.

what herald can create carbon copies of himself?-Jamie Madrox

what herald can teleport to different planets in an instant?-drawing a blank...but teleportation would have nothing to do with his tier placement.

what herald can grow to skyscraper size?-Giant Man

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What herald can do all of the above?

Dr.M is skyfather at the least...I'd think he actually is higher.

Originally posted by Starscream M
please answer my post above and list the characters that can do what I listed

I did answer your post.

If you don't know of any Heralds who can do those things then it demonstrates that either you don't know what the Herald tier is or you don't read any comics.

Originally posted by Starscream M
what herald is completely invulnerable from physical harm?

what herald can see into the future?

what herald can disassemble organic (human) and inorganic (weapons) with a mere thought?

what herald can create carbon copies of himself?

what herald can teleport to different planets in an instant?

what herald can grow to skyscraper size?

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What herald can do all of the above?

Dr.M is skyfather at the least...I'd think he actually is higher.

SNG and SS meet almost all of your criteria and have many other powers DM doesn't have. he's got no feats that justify labeling him a skyfather. besides, the tiers are about power level, not specific powerset.

surfer cannot teleport

surfer is not physically invulnerable

surfer cannot create carbon copies of himself

surfer cannot grow in size

surfer cannot disassemble molecules with a thought

yeah, he sure is similar to Dr. M *rolls eyes*

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who's SNG?

Originally posted by Black bolt z
juggernaut is not a good example, because his durability is trans level...its higher than odins.

also, you admit you can't name someone who can teleport planetary distances.

when did thor or surfer ever disintegrate organic or inorganic matter with a mere thought?

Originally posted by Starscream M
juggernaut is not a good example, because his durability is trans level...its higher than odins.

also, you admit you can't name someone who can teleport planetary distances.

when did thor or surfer ever disintegrate organic or inorganic matter with a mere thought?

And he is probably suseptible ro energy manip which is 50% of attacks...

And that matters how? Placement depends on power not powerset.

Are you really saying they can't 😬?

Originally posted by Starscream M
surfer cannot teleport

he can and he has. not that it matters as his warp travel is much better than all of DM's teleporting feats


surfer is not physically invulnerable
neither is DM. he just reforms as the SS has done. He's also tanked and soaked far more damage than DM ever met in his life

surfer cannot create carbon copies of himself
he probably has a feat of that lying arround somewhere, but it doesnt matter. with all we know the PC can do, it's safe to assume he can and making clones isnt a feat to speak of in the first place.


surfer cannot grow in size
yes he can and he can shrink to the microverse and grow back btw. also hank pym can grow into the abstract dimension, does that make him a skyfather?

surfer cannot disassemble molecules with a thought
jesus christ...

yeah, he sure is similar to Dr. M *rolls eyes*
you're right his feats are better and he has more superpowers

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who's SNG?

shaman nate grey who also has better feats and more powers

Originally posted by Starscream M
juggernaut is not a good example, because his durability is trans level...its higher than odins.

also, you admit you can't name someone who can teleport planetary distances.

when did thor or surfer ever disintegrate organic or inorganic matter with a mere thought?

if it's higher than odin's it would be skyfather or elder god level.

does anyone really see Flash speed force dumping him? 😬

i mean how many ppl has he speed dump without help just him alone?

i am kinda half remember every time he has done it it has bn with circumstances.

if he can it will be the average version sure as hell wont be his giant size version. wally aint even lifting a toe.

I saw Brucie claiming Surfer can't manipulate matter and I loled.

Originally posted by Starscream M
surfer cannot teleport

surfer is not physically invulnerable

surfer cannot create carbon copies of himself

surfer cannot grow in size

surfer cannot disassemble molecules with a thought

yeah, he sure is similar to Dr. M *rolls eyes*

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who's SNG?

Surfer done those and more than once to boot.

Originally posted by Starscream M
surfer cannot teleport

surfer is not physically invulnerable

surfer cannot create carbon copies of himself

surfer cannot grow in size

surfer cannot disassemble molecules with a thought

yeah, he sure is similar to Dr. M *rolls eyes*

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who's SNG?

i like how you picked things surfer has done with ease

masterbruce is terminally ill with the F.A.I.L. virus

Originally posted by psycho gundam
i like how you picked things surfer has done with ease

masterbruce is terminally ill with the F.A.I.L. virus

it's the legacy virus in the final stages..

what has high heralds and skyfathers done that Manhattan hasnt?

odin ignited stars from collateral damage, placed enchantments on objects that can take out manhattan via direct attack or through time manipulation, fought a being who destroyed a galaxy to make a sword, etc

Originally posted by King Castle
what has high heralds and skyfathers done that Manhattan hasnt?

Fought other heralds.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Fought other heralds.
besides that?

has he ever time traveled?
folded space crossed dimension.

absorbed a star shattered into various shards and reformed?

showed telepathy?

supervision and senses?

super speed?

taken the weight of black holes, super novas, universe collapsing?

Dr.M is intended to be "god" of his universe for all intents and purpose would have to actually see how he measures up in a fight with another herald/skyfather to see where to actually place him. For all we know at full potential if he were ever pushed he could be a cube being like Molecule Man but lack of feats and lack of an ongoing series stops that.

Isnt DM like almost omnipotent? I dont see Flash doing much.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Isnt DM like almost omnipotent? I dont see Flash doing much.
No.

And how can someone be almost omnipotent?