Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus^ just garm the hellhound's
Sorry. For the record, in that scan you posted, there were two souls in the Destroyer which I think amped it. Done now.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
To be fair, Leonard absorbed some, but it was very small in comparison to Banner's portion I'd wager.
you didn't read the part where that machine he touched absorbed all his energy, well at least 97% of it and left him a dessicated husk
Originally posted by Stoic
What exactly happened when Thor's arm was broken by the Destroyer? He looked pretty bad in that one.
That was the second battle I was referring to. The Destroyer was more powerful than ever according to Thor -barring the obvious Celestial battle- as it was inhabited by the spirit of the Designate. Thor was holding back and was not fully transformed. At least based on the art. When Odin himself restored Thor, he went all out and matched it briefly until the All Father intervened.
Originally posted by janus77
apparently you can't read...where in "regammification" is the word "cosmic energy"?
It's pretty blatant that Banner was absorbing only Gamma energies (reducing Cho et al, back to their normal selves).
Can you not read? Banner was absorbing all of the energy used on the Hulked out heroes which included both Cosmic and Gamma energy.
Originally posted by Stoicthe destroyer being a non-living construct was able to lift mjolnir to beat thor over the head with it. it snapped in two (pretty much) cause during the fight the destroyer's beams carved into it like butter.
What exactly happened when Thor's arm was broken by the Destroyer? He looked pretty bad in that one.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
That was the second battle I was referring to. The Destroyer was more powerful than ever according to Thor -barring the obvious Celestial battle- as it was inhabited by the spirit of the Designate. Thor was holding back and was not fully transformed. At least based on the art. When Odin himself restored Thor, he matched the Destroyer until the All Father intervened.Can you not read? Banner was absorbing all of the energy used on the Hulked out heroes which included both Cosmic and Gamma energy.
It even says, in the little status box, that it was gamma energies that Banner was absorbing: re-gamma-fication, the clue's in the word.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
^ just garm the hellhound's
Which apparently had made him more powerful than Thor had ever seen him. Two spirits >> one I guess.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
you didn't read the part where that machine he touched absorbed all his energy, well at least 97% of it and left him a dessicated husk
What?
Originally posted by janus77
I can and I do read, hence I avoid the mistake you made. You got confused with the bit about "keying in" on the cosmic and gamma signatures, taking it to mean that it was absorbing the "cosmic energies", when all the while the machine was simply reabsorbing gamma energies, and in turn feeding them into Banner and Samson.It even says, in the little status box, that it was gamma energies that Banner was absorbing: re-gamma-fication, the clue's in the word.
I don't understand what you're having difficulty with.
The heroes were powered by both Gamma and Cosmic energy. Banner absorbed said energy. Leonard explained it very clearly:
http://www.imagebam.com/image/9983b084755824
Beast and Richards statements even point out that the Cathexis Ray was keyed to both the Gamma and Cosmic energy:
http://www.imagebam.com/image/b08299132887570
Which again is what Banner drained.
It's pretty damn simple. The gamma energy re-gammafied his cells. There doesn't need to be a contradiction.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympushttp://www.imagebam.com/image/011704132887604
What?
"target depowing: 97%"
then lower on the page the rest of the hulked out heroes lost 97% allthewhile banner was regaining gamma
"can't" miss it
Thanks? To stabilize the Cathexis chamber -there was a breach as it couldn't all contain the energy channeled into Bruce- Samson sacrificed himself and in doing so....was drained of his life I guess. Kind of counter productive in the long run unless it was referring to the heroes -makes the most sense as they were the target- but whatever.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I don't understand what you're having difficulty with.The heroes were powered by both Gamma and Cosmic energy. Banner absorbed said energy. Leonard explained it very clearly:
http://www.imagebam.com/image/9983b084755824Beast and Richards statements even point out that the Cathexis Ray was keyed to both the Gamma and Cosmic energy:
http://www.imagebam.com/image/b08299132887570Which again is what Banner drained.
It's pretty damn simple. The gamma energy re-gammafied his cells. There doesn't need to be a contradiction.
Leonard explained the Intelligencia's procedure yes, but the comic states exactly what was being absorbed by Banner.
You're assuming that Banner has somehow become capable of absorbing "cosmic energies", just because the Cathexis Ray device mixed both in order to Hulk out the heroes, whereas the comic makes pretty clear that Banner absorbed the gamma only, leaving the other energies potent (which is presumably what caused the explosion on the ship). As far as that whole scene goes, it's just Banner absorbing the gamma energies so as to _reduce_ the effect of the explosion.
Originally posted by janus77
it's not what the heroes were powered by that is of interest, it's the fact that it's stated Banner absorbed only Gamma energies.Leonard explained the Intelligencia's procedure yes, but the comic states exactly what was being absorbed by Banner.
You're assuming that Banner has somehow become capable of absorbing "cosmic energies", just because the Cathexis Ray device mixed both in order to Hulk out the heroes, whereas the comic makes pretty clear that Banner absorbed the gamma only, leaving the other energies potent (which is presumably what caused the explosion on the ship). As far as that whole scene goes, it's just Banner absorbing the gamma energies so as to _reduce_ the effect of the explosion.
Never at any point of the comic was that stated. When the machine hits him with green energy, the comic says his cells have filled up with Gamma energy to 100%. This in no way means he was only absorbing Gamma energy.
I can't believe you're debating something so clear cut. It was made explicitly clear that only Banner's body could contain the energy, and he was draining the heroes of theirs, which included both Gamma and Cosmic.
Apparently he can, just like the heroes, Ross etc. were able to. There isn't any contradiction, you just want there to be so you can argue he wasn't at World Breaker levels when the writer couldn't have made it any clearer -he outright says it's the same Hulk- simply because he didn't live up to expectations.
I'm not going to entertain this idiocy unless you have some more evidence just because your fap material wasn't up to snuff. Present some actual proof, or concede. I'm not going to keep going on in circles with you.
if you actually had proof that, contrary to the on-panel evidence and explicit statement describing the on-going process (not just the general purpose/use of the machine), Banner was absorbing "Cosmic energies", it might have made your "pissed off routine" a little more believable.
As it stands, the only thing the comic explicitly depicts, is Banner reabsorbing gamma energies from the Cathexis device. A facility that Banner has had for all his existence and not, something you dreamt up for him so as to support some assertion you made. 😐.
I think its very heavily implied that there was something magical/mystical/non-physical about Zeus' punches that messed with the Hulks powers. I think if the explanation was simply that he got punched hard then Hulk wouldnt have been so surprised at what happened and had to ask why they werent working. And as mentioned he has been hurt much worse before without anything similar happening. Though its not unambiguous it does seem more likely to me.
Originally posted by Hyperion Prime
Superman does better than Hulk does though.
And why is that when overall Hulk is a better fist fighter.? Superman should literally get oneshotted.
Zeus is the true definition of a skyfather and if Despero and Titus can take Supes out in one panel... Zeus should outright kill him with a single blow imo... especially if Zeus use his magical amped punches.
Originally posted by carver9
And why is that when overall Hulk is a better fist fighter.? Superman should literally get oneshotted.Zeus is the true definition of a skyfather and if Despero and Titus can take Supes out in one panel... Zeus should outright kill him with a single blow imo... especially if Zeus use his magical amped punches.
Oh man come on. Zeus is not going to take out Superman with one punch. Hulk may have a healing factor, but Superman has the durability. Zeus was making Hulk bleed I think, there is no way he is busting open Superman. Zeus will beat him, but he is not going to do it easier than the Hulk beatdown.
Besides if you want to play the Sky-father game, Superman hangs with Darkseid, which is higher than or equal to Zeus. 🙂
Originally posted by Hyperion Prime
Oh man come on. Zeus is not going to take out Superman with one punch. Hulk may have a healing factor, but Superman has the durability. Zeus was making Hulk bleed I think, there is no way he is busting open Superman. Zeus will beat him, but he is not going to do it easier than the Hulk beatdown.Besides if you want to play the Sky-father game, Superman hangs with Darkseid, which is higher than or equal to Zeus. 🙂
Did you just say that Darkseid is equal to Zeus? I'm making a thread. He isn't CLOSE to Zeus or even Thanos power.
As for your comment about magical punches... Captain Marvel has one shotted Supes with a magical charged fist and in Batman/Superman... Captain Marvel busted Supes face open with a single magical charged fist and Supes admitted that he can't beat Cap in a brawl because of this. Now replace Captain Marvel with a Skyfather... a high Skyfather like Zeus.
Zeus would single shot his a** and again, if Despero and Titus, 2 peeps that are below skyfather can one shot him, its not going to be so good for him against Zeus, especially if Zeus fought like he did against the Hulk.
By the way, in a fist fight, I would rather have Hulks durability and healing factor over Supes... that's why its so hard to drop Hulk... that healing factor is off the chain.
Originally posted by carver9
Did you just say that Darkseid is equal to Zeus? I'm making a thread. He isn't CLOSE to Zeus or even Thanos power.As for your comment about magical punches... Captain Marvel has one shotted Supes with a magical charged fist and in Batman/Superman... Captain Marvel busted Supes face open with a single magical charged fist and Supes admitted that he can't beat Cap in a brawl because of this. Now replace Captain Marvel with a Skyfather... a high Skyfather like Zeus.
Zeus would single shot his a** and again, if Despero and Titus, 2 peeps that are below skyfather can one shot him, its not going to be so good for him against Zeus, especially if Zeus fought like he did against the Hulk.
By the way, in a fist fight, I would rather have Hulks durability and healing factor over Supes... that's why its so hard to drop Hulk... that healing factor is off the chain.
You have no proof that Zeus used magic in this fight. It's speculation at best. Darkseid is a Skyfather he may even be less than or equal to Zeus, but he is tougher than anyone Hulk has fought other than Zeus.
I am sorry, but Superman can take more punishment than Hulk. Hulk heals, but he always get busted open.